[quote]assbuster wrote:
The little douche-bag is yanking everyone’s chain. He’s pulling a similar scam on this other thread
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=976706&pageNo=0
I suggest we shut down both of his threads because it seems obvious that he is enjoying being a knucklehead way more than the average idiot. He’s one of those assholes who seems to thrive on controversy.
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You know what assbuster., f-off i’m not pulling any “scam”
Thanks to those that did offer advice though
[quote]greatgro wrote:
redsox348984 wrote:
…but protein isnt as big of a deal as the amount of calories you take in. just eat another 1000 a day and within 2 weeks im sure youll notice a difference in strength.
i have also noticed i make shitty gains when i dont put on weight. but when i gain weight i make awsome gains.
I don’t know about you, I love strength but I detest fat. I disagree about your protein/cal opinion. I eat pretty low calories when I cut, yet I eat 7-8 meals a day and keep high-quality protein high and still gain plenty of strength while cutting. Sure eating a ton and putting on weight will make you stronger but remember he wants strength first he doesn’t even care about size. So I’m almost certain he doesn’t want fat size.
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this is what i’ve been trying to say… i know of many ppl of eat low cals and still gain appreciable amounts of str.
Look, if you aren’t gaining strength, then you aren’t doing something right. PERIOD. It has to be your training, your diet, or a combination of both. I believe it is the latter. When I was your age, I was eating 10,000 calories a day, seven days a week. That was over 24 years ago.
I continued consuming large amounts of calories until I hit about 27. By then my metabolism started to slow and I could back off on my eating. My blood work and health is fine today at the ripe old age of 40.
At minimum, double the amount of calories you’re eating right now. And then start moving some weight around in the gym. I’m sorry, but 160 lbs on bench and 180 lbs on squat is not going heavy.
Now shovel some damned food into your gullet and then go move some damned heavy weight. Also, stop telling everyone they are wrong. Remember, its you not making any gains, not the rest of us.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=476238
Take that test for all 3 parts and tell me what your score is. I’m really expecting an answer.
[quote]greatgro wrote:
redsox348984 wrote:
…but protein isnt as big of a deal as the amount of calories you take in. just eat another 1000 a day and within 2 weeks im sure youll notice a difference in strength.
i have also noticed i make shitty gains when i dont put on weight. but when i gain weight i make awsome gains.
I don’t know about you, I love strength but I detest fat. I disagree about your protein/cal opinion. I eat pretty low calories when I cut, yet I eat 7-8 meals a day and keep high-quality protein high and still gain plenty of strength while cutting. Sure eating a ton and putting on weight will make you stronger but remember he wants strength first he doesn’t even care about size. So I’m almost certain he doesn’t want fat size.
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he weighs like less than most girls i dont think it would hurt to put a couple pounds if it means lots of strength increases
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
RJ24 wrote:
IRoNStaLLion wrote:
RJ, since you’re a sprinter/lifter, do you think i could do WS4SB on a three day cycle (ME upper, ME lower, RE full body) with my sprints and running without overtraining?
No, I tried the WS4SB template a while back, and I made gains, but I think I was overtraining. For you, I would refer you back to my previous advice.
Run once or twice a week full out, afterwards do snatch grip deadlifts or squats for 5 sets of 3 reps and then maybe some posterior chain accessory work. For the upper body, do some weighted chin ups, rows, and military press. Don’t worry too much about the upper body though, and go heavy.
And as far as your doubts about heavy eating and training and living a long life, don’t worry about it. If you take your training and diet seriously you’ll live to 90-100 easy, as long as you stay in shape the whole time.
RJ
But since i’m so weak, do you think i should try and up my strength first before focussing on speed… or do you still stand by your original advice?
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Personally, I don’t think you’re too weak to cut out speed training. If you like running, do it. But if you really want lower body strength gains, run only once a week, and lift weights on another day.
For example:
Monday- Squats 5x3, Split Squats 3-4x6, RDL 4x5-6
Wednesday- BB Military Press or Push Press 5x3, Chin Ups 4x5, Shrugs 3x10
Friday- Block 30s 5-10x1, Some various bounding drills
Saturday- DB Military Press 3x10-15, Rows 4x8, Rows to Throat 3x8
Every fourth week reduce the poundages by 20% and the volume by 40-50%. THis is a rest week designed to let your body recover. After the week, continue pushing your weights as high as possible.
This plan is really simple, but it should be effective. The important thing to remember is to eat a lot, as said previously, and bring intensity.
RJ
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
this is what i’ve been trying to say… i know of many ppl of eat low cals and still gain appreciable amounts of str.[/quote]
Yes, but apparently you’re not one of them.
RJ
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
assbuster wrote:
The little douche-bag is yanking everyone’s chain. He’s pulling a similar scam on this other thread
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=976706&pageNo=0
I suggest we shut down both of his threads because it seems obvious that he is enjoying being a knucklehead way more than the average idiot. He’s one of those assholes who seems to thrive on controversy.
You know what assbuster., f-off i’m not pulling any “scam”
Thanks to those that did offer advice though[/quote]
You’re full of shit and you know it!
I don’t think that ages 15-19 are best for gaining muscle and strength. If you are still getting taller at all you’r body may not be allowing you to divert resources to hypertrophy. I lifted hard around 17 but didn’t make good progress until 26.
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
i don’t know why but i just don’t get stronger… to give you an idea in the past year i’ve only gained 10lbs in squat, 10 lbs in deads and nothing in bench… the worst part about this is that i’m still a teenager and should be seeing the best gains of my life…
Now if i was already really strong i guess those gains would be expected, but my 5rms in squat is 180!! bench is 160, and deads are 230!! that blows balls considering i;ve been training for 2 years now.
I now what i’m doing and have tried many proven routines ie 5x5 bill star, ws4sb, CW strength focused mesocylce etc… but my gains have been shit on all of them… My diet is in check too since i get enough cals and protein.
I hate when some lucky bastard comes on and posts how he gained like 50lbls in deads and squats in like 6 months… when my gains are shit…
Is anyone like me or does anyone have any ideas/suggestions??[/quote]
Believe it or not, I can relate to your situation. You get an idea stuck in your head and no body is going to talk you out of it. I know a 19 year old at the club who is incredible strong at the lifts he will do, but he refuses to do squats, DL, bentover rowing, whatever until he hits 21, because he’s afraid these movements will stunt his growth. And he can’t wait till he can. I can’t talk him out of this current way of thinking.
You on the other hand have reseach on your side, and it’s not very friendly, and probably not based on real world situations. The fear of the what-if’s are holding you back. My recommendation is to search out on this site Berardi’s article the Protein Prejudice. It’s an excellent read and I pass it along to many people that I feel are afraid to consume too much protein, much like you.
Let me ask you this, since you’ve rejected everything thrown at you since this thread started, what answer are you looking for?
You probably need to eat more. Try that. If after 6 months of eating 3.5-4k calories a day doesn’t work, then come back and ask us again.
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Let me ask you this, since you’ve rejected everything thrown at you since this thread started, what answer are you looking for?
You probably need to eat more. Try that. If after 6 months of eating 3.5-4k calories a day doesn’t work, then come back and ask us again.[/quote]
Maybe he wants us to tell him to keep doing what he’s doing… since that’s obviously working.
I learned a few things in my young Sports Nutrition/Strength Coach career:and that gaining strength is more of a CNS(central nervous system)adaptation, than anything else. Heavy lifting should be done,with 3-5min rest intervals between sets, and no more than 3-5 reps per set. Now lets not forget,that after abusing your body with heavy metal, you need to let it heal…namely feed it, and feed it right. That means lots of complex carbs to restore glycogen stores,fruits+vegies, and dont forget some healthy fats(ie:olive,veg oils,nuts,avacados…)-these really do the tricks when it comes to raising your testasterone+growth hormone levels which you so desperatly need. If you’ve been feating on fast food, you should really whatch that “supersize me” McDees documentary…
Getting back to the topic…Notice that I’ve left out protein. Anybody who’s knows a thing or 2 about sports nutrition, will tell you that 0.8g/lb of body weight is more than enough for a regular Joe. However, your case is different. With all the heavy lifting your gona be doing, you will not only be taxing your muscles,but your tendons and ligaments will also feel the pain, and I mean that literally. So what you need to start doing is exacacly what the rest of the folks on here have been trying to tell you, and thats unless you have a family history of kidney problems, YOU TO EAT MORE PROTEIN!!! By not doing so, you will not only compromise your strength gains, but will also be at a high risk for some very serious and nasty injuries.
Regards,Alex
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
again i don’t care if i gain mass along with strength (as long as i don’t put on huge amounts since i play soccer and run)
In regards to the protein thing i’ve done lots of research on boards and journals and i have yet to find one study that claims that eleveated (more than 0.8g/lbl) protein supports better performance in anyway… i’m also concerned about the long term effects of high protein diets since there have been o studies done on that.[/quote]
Check the research by Dr. Peter Lemon. Basically he says that strength athletes need to consume o.8g/lb to maintain positive nitrogen balance. That means that if you take less, you’re LOSING muscle mass. This however, does not mean it is the OPTIMUM amount for muscle GAIN. This amount, while somewhat debateable, is usually agreed on to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5g/lb of lean body mass. (closer to 2g/lb when on steroids) Don’t forget that when you’re dieting, you actually need MORE protien. So basically your combined training routine and eating plan are failing to put you in an anabolic state through a deficiency of both calories and protien.
Pretty much every study showing negative kidney effects was done on people with pre-existing kidney problems. You’re right to be concerned, but the levels talked about here are nowhere near enough to cause problems if you currently have healthy kidneys. If you were taking in more than 2g/lb of body mass per day I’d be a bit worried, but you’re nowwhere close to that.
Different people have different caloric needs for strength gains. I happen to have a pretty high caloric need for ANY gains in strength.
Also, regarding relative strength, at 5’ 8" 145, I’d be VERY suprised if your relative strength didnt go up after gaining about 30lbs or so.
Your lifts are very poor for someone whos lifted weights under well devised programs (add to that you are tiny). Now something is wrong. I say diet.
If it takes 5 pages for someone to start listening to advice when everyone is saying the same thing…why are people still trying to give advice?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If it takes 5 pages for someone to start listening to advice when everyone is saying the same thing…why are people still trying to give advice?[/quote]
Took the words right out of my mouth…
Dude, there is a magic pill the rest of the world takes, but it is a secret. So, if you want to make any gains, you’ll have to scour the earth ignoring all advice until you discover this magic pill.
Obviously, the people here have all discovered this famed magic pill, and are pulling your leg when they give you the advice of experience.
Ignore everyone and keep up the search for the magic pill! Then, you too can sit on the couch eating dorito’s all day every day and be a lean, mean and fast soccer machine.
Stay the course, let PUBMED be your only guide!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Dude, there is a magic pill the rest of the world takes, but it is a secret. So, if you want to make any gains, you’ll have to scour the earth ignoring all advice until you discover this magic pill.
Obviously, the people here have all discovered this famed magic pill, and are pulling your leg when they give you the advice of experience.
Ignore everyone and keep up the search for the magic pill! Then, you too can sit on the couch eating dorito’s all day every day and be a lean, mean and fast soccer machine.
Stay the course, let PUBMED be your only guide![/quote]
Shhhhh…don’t tell him the secret.
Dude - everyone in the entire world has posted on this thread telling you to eat more food and get your training into gear.
Do you think this is just a coincidence?