I’ve just finished dropping some bodyfat
(see attached before/after pic)
I was going to carry on cutting until my hols in June, but I think I may start a bulk instead. I should maybe concentrate on adding some lean muscle (cleanly) while adding as little fat as possible.
Was wondering if you were in my position, would you keep going for a sex pack for the hols, or forget about that and Grow!
Bump
Continue to cut until your pancreas is visible. this is a true way to show >10%, and in this case you need it.
seems like you just waisted valuable time cutting when you should have been bulking
[quote]All2ez wrote:
seems like you just waisted valuable time cutting when you should have been bulking[/quote]
Maybe,
But you see, I have had two replies with totally different advice. This is not easy knowing which way to go sometimes.
I guess it’s down to what I want really.
[quote]hexx wrote:
Continue to cut until your pancreas is visible. this is a true way to show >10%, and in this case you need it.[/quote]
I don’t think I need it.
no offense bro but the only difference I see in your two pics is that you lost your tan in the 2nd one. You need to create a base before you cut. From your pictures it looks like you have very LBM so cutting would just be a waste of time and effort, you have nothing to cut to. I know everyone is obsessed with 6 packs, but you really need to forgot about cutting for the next 2-3 years and just get big.
I can guarantee if you keep cutting you will just look silly, so please don’t. Everyone on this site will tell you to add a lot more mass first so please take the advice
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
no offense bro but the only difference I see in your two pics is that you lost your tan in the 2nd one. You need to create a base before you cut. From your pictures it looks like you have very LBM so cutting would just be a waste of time and effort, you have nothing to cut to. I know everyone is obsessed with 6 packs, but you really need to forgot about cutting for the next 2-3 years and just get big.
I can guarantee if you keep cutting you will just look silly, so please don’t. Everyone on this site will tell you to add a lot more mass first so please take the advice[/quote]
Waylander is right.
Granted everyone wants a 6 pack. It drives the hollister and abercrombie whores crazy, although most of those girls are slightly retarted and slow in the head. But anyways, back to the question at hand.
You ABSOLUTELY need to build your LBM before you can consider cutting and actually look “good”, unless you are obese and need to cut for health issues, which you clearly are not. Now bulking does not mean eat massive amounts of protein, go crazy and EAT EAT EAT!!! As seems to be the general consensus on this site most of the time. Find out where your maintenance level of calories are, there are plenty of simple formulas and calculators out there that can give you a rough idea on this.
Simply add 500 calories over that amount and shoot for 1-1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Make friends with WHOLE WHEAT carbs, like Wheat pasta, Brown Rice, Wheat bread etc etc. Eat in excess of daily needs, but do it CLEANLY and you will be more than satisfied with your results. Not only will you get bigger, and stronger, but you won’t gain too much of an excess in bodyfat. The gains will be slightly slower, but they will be CLEAN. And then when you finally decide to cut, it will be alot easier because you may not have much to cut away.
[quote]football061 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
no offense bro but the only difference I see in your two pics is that you lost your tan in the 2nd one. You need to create a base before you cut. From your pictures it looks like you have very LBM so cutting would just be a waste of time and effort, you have nothing to cut to. I know everyone is obsessed with 6 packs, but you really need to forgot about cutting for the next 2-3 years and just get big.
I can guarantee if you keep cutting you will just look silly, so please don’t. Everyone on this site will tell you to add a lot more mass first so please take the advice
Waylander is right.
Granted everyone wants a 6 pack. It drives the hollister and abercrombie whores crazy, although most of those girls are slightly retarted and slow in the head. But anyways, back to the question at hand.
You ABSOLUTELY need to build your LBM before you can consider cutting and actually look “good”, unless you are obese and need to cut for health issues, which you clearly are not. Now bulking does not mean eat massive amounts of protein, go crazy and EAT EAT EAT!!! As seems to be the general consensus on this site most of the time. Find out where your maintenance level of calories are, there are plenty of simple formulas and calculators out there that can give you a rough idea on this. Simply add 500 calories over that amount and shoot for 1-1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Make friends with WHOLE WHEAT carbs, like Wheat pasta, Brown Rice, Wheat bread etc etc. Eat in excess of daily needs, but do it CLEANLY and you will be more than satisfied with your results. Not only will you get bigger, and stronger, but you won’t gain too much of an excess in bodyfat. The gains will be slightly slower, but they will be CLEAN. And then when you finally decide to cut, it will be alot easier because you may not have much to cut away.[/quote]
Thanks for the response guys. I suppose deep down you are right, it’s clear I need to gain size.
I pretty much know what I need to eat to bulk up, obviously I do not want to eat crap and gain too much fat.
My maintenance cals are round about 2500 according to my calcs, so i’ll start by consuming around 2800cals to start with for a couple of weeks and then check my progress.
Thanks guys, I just needed a shove in the right direction I suppose.
yah dude, listen to football and waylander, and my personal experience. I was around 200 and I thought it was necessary to cut. I was a fool as I didn’t have enough muscle to show it off. Now I’m 180 (I got seriously sick and lost 35lbs) and I’m looking good since I’ve packed on some muscle and have eaten cleanly. Maybe another 30lbs of muscle and low bf% and I’ll be looking the way I want 
good luck in your progress and let us know how it goes
Thata boy OP! I like smart people haha. Yah man just keep your carbs restricted to breakfast, pre and post workout and you will steadily add muscle and also drop some bodyfat. Your gains won’t come as fast as if you ate carbs every meal but you will keep your BF in good shape. Its a harder diet but it pays off. Hell I’m 240, never done a cut before and I still have a pretty decent six pack just b/c I time my nutrients right.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Thata boy OP! I like smart people haha. Yah man just keep your carbs restricted to breakfast, pre and post workout and you will steadily add muscle and also drop some bodyfat. Your gains won’t come as fast as if you ate carbs every meal but you will keep your BF in good shape. Its a harder diet but it pays off. Hell I’m 240, never done a cut before and I still have a pretty decent six pack just b/c I time my nutrients right. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re a pretty big mfer…lol…how’d everything workout with that arm problem?
Sorry for the slight hijack op.
haha thx. It turned out ok after 3 nights in the hospital, a couple IV’s, and a weeks worth of antio-biotics lol. $10k hospital bill ftw! ><
I was only out of the gym for 10 days so it turned out to be no biggie.
More muscle mass.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
haha thx. It turned out ok after 3 nights in the hospital, a couple IV’s, and a weeks worth of antio-biotics lol. $10k hospital bill ftw! ><
I was only out of the gym for 10 days so it turned out to be no biggie.[/quote]
Holy shit bro. Glad it turned out okay but I hope your insurance covered that fat bill, lol.
eh deductable was 5k so it covered only half lol. Thank God my parents gave me a “get out of jail free” card lol or I would have been fucked.
I think I’ll go for around 3000cals per day this week and see how it goes.
I’ve sorted out my diet for tomorrow, prepared most of it so all I have to do is eat it!
Meal 1
100g Oats with water
Protein bar
2 Fish Oil Capsules
Meal 2
130g Tuna in Sunflower oil, 25g lettuce, 50g peppers diced
2 Fish oil Capsules
Apple
Meal 3
As above
Meal 4
Protein bar
Meal 5
300g Turkey steaks, 50g broccoli, 200g brown rice
2 fish oils capsules
Meal 6
300g Reduced fat cottage cheese
Total Cals:3028
Carbs: 328g - (43%)
Fat: 69g (10g saturated) (21%)
Protein: 277g (37%)
I feel like a big gay bear counting cals but it’s all for a good cause (buffness). It’s for the ladies so I’ll do it.
Please feel free to rip my diet to shreds, protein bars probably could be replaced with fruit I’m thinking at first glance but until I go shopping that’s the best I can do 
IMO fruit=worthless lol I just don’t see the point. I mean who doesn’t want a whole bunch of sugar and carbs all for 2g of fiber? yah…stick with the protein bar or a shake if you can’t fit in a real meal there.
One question though why are you putting a slow digesting carb (brown rice) in your second to last meal? Theres no way you can burn that off before you go to bed and it will just form fat deposits.
Also wondering inbetween which 2 meals does your training fall? B/c you want the fast digesting carbs to be before and after your workout. So you may want to add in some for pre/post workout and to accomodate for the extra carbs maybe ditch the rice at night. Salad after a workout won’t pack on the muscle. Up to you though. Other than that looks good, way to count all your calories.
Throw in some red meat every once in a while and don’t be afraid of starches post workout.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
IMO fruit=worthless lol I just don’t see the point. I mean who doesn’t want a whole bunch of sugar and carbs all for 2g of fiber? yah…stick with the protein bar or a shake if you can’t fit in a real meal there.
One question though why are you putting a slow digesting carb (brown rice) in your second to last meal? Theres no way you can burn that off before you go to bed and it will just form fat deposits.
Also wondering inbetween which 2 meals does your training fall? B/c you want the fast digesting carbs (oatmeal) to be before and after your workout. So you may want to add in some oatmeal for pre/post workout and to accomodate for the extra carbs maybe ditch the rice at night. Salad after a workout won’t pack on the muscle. Up to you though. Other than that looks good, way to count all your calories.[/quote]
Cheers man,
I guess the brown rice is their just to make up the cals. I thought the diet was a bit too low carbs otherwise.
I see your point about pre/post workout carbs. This was a diet for a non gym day. On gym days i was gonna have oats pre workout and then some profusion post workout (creatine/protein carb mix).
Any ideas how to add cals but not fat content lol!