[quote]Goal=Colossus wrote:
darkbob wrote:
I eat 10,000 calories a day when I diet.
That is some crazy shit man(no harm intended).
What do you eat on a bulk?
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Children.
It really seems to me like you might be afraid of putting on a little bit of fat if you eat more. I’m gonna give you a little piece of advice about this: unless you eat like a complete f***ing idiot you’re not going to get fat.
About two years ago, I was 5’9" and about 135 pounds. I looked like hell and felt worse emotionally. I finally buckled down and started to really pound some food and lift heavy. Although my program sucked (typical five-day split) I worked my way up to well over 4,000 calories a day AS A BARE MINIMUM. I’ll repeat this, I worked up to well over 4,000 calories a day AS A BARE MINIMUM. I utilized Berardi’s advice on dietary specifics and didn’t sweat it if a Hot 'n Ready from Little Ceasar’s or a trip to Old Country fit its way into my weekly intake.
And do you know what? I went from 135 to just under 180 in about six months. And if I would have been utilizing a different training program (something from Waterbury), I really think I could have seen at least another 15 pounds. And here’s the shocker…I didn’t look like a complete tub of shit. In fact, I frequently heard, “Wow, you look so much better, man.” And after I lowered my intake A LITTLE and added some more GPP, I ended up at 170 and LESS BODYFAT THAN WHEN I STARTED AT 135.
To summarize, read anything with John Berardi’s name under the title, specifically his articles about Massive Eating and G-Flux (how increased caloric intake and activity can put a lot of lean mass on an individual). Also, Chad Waterbury’s programs will provide make you grow like a weed IF YOU ARE GETTING ENOUGH FOOD.
Finally, there are a lot of people who don’t get the opportunity to eat a lot of quality, nutritious food and you’re worried about what adding more will do. Just realize that there are people who don’t get to have the problem of whether or not to add calories because they are lucky if they get to eat at all. It’s amazing how often people forget how fortunate all of us are on this board to have this problem. So, coming from someone who weighed less than you at one time: I don’t feel sorry for you because you can’t gain strength. I understand your plight because I was in your position once, but you need to actually take some of the advice on this board because it has worked for everyone who is giving it. I’m not gonna sit here and lie to you about what it takes to gain strength; I have much better things to do with my life.
Good Luck,
Zac
p.s.-Although Professor X may come off as a bit harsh and abrasive, he started off at about 150 (correct me if I’m wrong, Professor) and is a monster now (over 250, I think). He will also be incredibly helpful if you just ask him because he posts on this board to help people out. I bet if you were to drop him a PM and ask him what he did to get out of his rut as a skinny bastard, he’ll probably give you some advice. I’ve never PM’d him personally, but I never had to because I tried what he posted on this threads and found out what worked for me.
I know this might sound a bit odd, but from my experience, some people just find it hard, really hard to gain weight, size and strength. i know alot of people who train, ok maybe not like hardcore, but they have been training several years, and look the same, with a little increased strength.
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.
[quote]irishpowerhouse wrote:
I know this might sound a bit odd, but from my experience, some people just find it hard, really hard to gain weight, size and strength. i know alot of people who train, ok maybe not like hardcore, but they have been training several years, and look the same, with a little increased strength.
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.[/quote]
Bullshit. If you eat enough, you gain weight. Gaining weight isn’t magic and several people on this forum started out much smaller than they are now. You mentioned they weren’t training hardcore. The only other option is that they were training HALF ASSED. Gee, you think that might be the problem? Everyone else is getting huge by training half assed?
[quote]irishpowerhouse wrote:
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.[/quote]
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.[/quote]
Let’s not forget the mental factor:
The teenager syndrom: I know everything and refuse to listen to good advice.
Claes
[quote]Mr. Moose wrote:
irishpowerhouse wrote:
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.
Let’s not forget the mental factor:
The teenager syndrom: I know everything and refuse to listen to good advice.
Claes
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maybe eating alot more would make it easier to gain str… but it seems like i most likely just have bad genetics for strneght training, given the amount of training i’ve been doing and my lack lustre gains.
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
Mr. Moose wrote:
irishpowerhouse wrote:
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.
All the things everyone says about eating and training methods are true of course, but there is also the genetic factor, and that can make things very hard for you.
Let’s not forget the mental factor:
The teenager syndrom: I know everything and refuse to listen to good advice.
Claes
maybe eating alot more would make it easier to gain str… but it seems like i most likely just have bad genetics for strneght training, given the amount of training i’ve been doing and my lack lustre gains.
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The amount of training? What about the quality (think intensity) of training?
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
maybe eating alot more would make it easier to gain str… but it seems like i most likely just have bad genetics for strneght training, given the amount of training i’ve been doing and my lack lustre gains.
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When in doubt…blame the genetics. sigh. Look at your programming seriously, are you doing too much volume, are you not recovering from workouts or are you simply never, ever backing off. You cannot get a new RM every single week…(most of the time anyways…)
I haven’t read through this whole thread but the first couple of posts are hilarious. I can’t believe this guy.
Dude, I’m a former fat guy, so eating a lot was always something that was difficult to do, because getting fat was a psychological no-no.
However, now, while recently bulking, an evening after the gym would go something like this…
- Surge PWO
- Surge again
- Cook a shitload of food
- Eat two servings at 5pm
- Eat one serving at 6pm
- Eat one serving at 7pm
- Eat one serving at 8pm
- Finish anything left at 9pm
- Have a Metabolic Drive shake before bed
Much to my surprise and amazement, I didn’t get “fatter”. Sure, I wasn’t lean to begin with, but I stayed at about the same general leanness and gained weight.
When growth stops, you have to stop being a puss and fucking learn to eat. Lift heavy shit and eat, eat, eat. After some serious lifting, do some serious feeding.
[If it matters to anyone, I was taking lots of fish oil and Carbolin 19, both of which would help with avoiding fat gain while bulking.]
Ok. I’m getting kinda sick of this thread and the excuses.
A. Go to www.elitefts.com and look at the new article: “Five Top Max Effort Mistakes” by Jim Wendler.
B. Try an experiment. Like, get a strength training workout, a good workout partner who will push you, a SERIOUS bulking diet (this is the important part), plenty of rest, an open mind, and some fucking intensity, and keep a log of everything you lift and eat and sleep for oh, let’s say, 4 months. Take some before/after pics, record your 1rm in a few big lifts and report back in 4 months.
How’s that sound?
DD
[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
i most likely just have bad genetics for strneght training, given the amount of training i’ve been doing and my lack lustre gains.
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naw, you probably just have rocks for brains and a defeatest attitude…
read at least one article from this site every day…
turn that frown into a scowl when you walk through the gym doors little camper…
try the west side for skinny bastards routine…don’t half-ass it either…go in the gym and kick fucking ass, get mean when you see a pile of weights staring back at you…
eat ALOT…
sleep ALOT…
don’t ‘party’…
finally…I’d love to have one dollar for every person in the world that used the excuse “I have bad genetics”…I’d be a multi-billionaire…
[quote]turn that frown into a scowl when you walk through the gym doors little camper…quote]
That’s f-in hilarious. Yet so true.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
binford wrote:
Your probably right the problem is not your training program, the problem is you. If you have only gained 10 lbs in a year on your squat and you squat is 180 and haven’t gained any on your bench and your bench is 160, the problem is YOU, not your training program. Why do you even go to the gym and waste your time, put some more weight on the bar you panzy.
Push yourself a little bit, damn. Anyone can get stronger on any program if you push yourself, which you are obviously not doing.
But…but there are studies that show that antioxidents are formed if he eats food, therefore, if he can just avoid eating, he can live forever!
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You can find all those studies here! http://www.calorierestriction.org/
hahahaha
-folly
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bullshit. If you eat enough, you gain weight. Gaining weight isn’t magic and several people on this forum started out much smaller than they are now. You mentioned they weren’t training hardcore. The only other option is that they were training HALF ASSED. Gee, you think that might be the problem? Everyone else is getting huge by training half assed?[/quote]
I agree, I was the skinniest motherfucker out there in high school- I have a ridiculously fast metabolism and I’m naturally tall and lanky. Basically if I go 3 or 4 days without consuming 4000 calories a day, I’ll lose like 5 pounds. However, since I figured that out (with the advice of some people on here), I’ve been able to put on 25-30 pounds while keeping body fat the same.
Having “bad” gaining genetics is a pain in the ass sometimes- but I look at it as a positive. I can pretty much eating anything I want (provided I’m gettting enough protein and EFA) and if I ever put on a little more fat than I want to it will be super easy to lean out again.
Nobody really has BAD genetics, just different strengths and weaknesses.