This Just Cannot Be Real...

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Egilll wrote:
Sorry if you feel that I come off as cocky, I’m just amazed at some of the statements in this thread.

The people here saying that it isn’t physically possible for him to get up with the dumbells after those sets are exactly the ones that need some education in physics.

In short, he’s mastered a technique to let the momentum of the dumbells help him get up. If you can’t see that from watching the videos then you don’t understand, nor can envision, the physics involved.

I bet you are probably not using the same technique as him in returning the weights because of one or more of these reasons:

you’ve never had to because the dumbells you use are not that heawy compared to your bodyweight

you go to failure and are not able to get the dumbbells into a position so that you can use their momentum to get up

you simply decide to drop the dumbells on the floor

LOL. Putting them on your knees from the laying position is allowing momentum to help you up by allowing you to put force forward (towards your knees). Putting them on your chest is not. That is WHY most of us put them on our knees to both kick them into position and to let them down assuming failure has been reached.[/quote]

The technique he used with the lighter 100lbs weights in the first video wasn’t as efficient as the one he used in the latter video with the 110’s which is probably the reason he got a little help from his friend. Notice the way how he puts the weights on his chest (the weights are straight up) and the way he lifts his legs and lets the weight fall forward helping him get up.

With the right timing this provides enough momentum for him to get up with those heawy weights (at least with a little help from his friend). Think about the way the db’s turn 180° from the time they are on his chest to the time he has got up. The first 90° of that rotation is when they are falling which provides momentum for the sit up.

On the other hand if he would have put the weights flat on his chest like is much more common and then tried to do a sit up he would not have gotten up without a lot of help from his friend because he would not have that momentum.

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haha its crazy that this thread is still going on. Can we let it die already? lol

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i guess not until people understand how momentum and gravity work. …like 200lbs wouldnt pull a 130 pound person forward.

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did not go through the entire thread, but flat pressing strength imho is perhaps the easiest type of lifting to get relatively strong at.

especially when you are young and have healthy joints.

at the fitness center i train at sometimes in the college town i live in, pretty much every frat boy in there can manhandle 90-110lb dumbbells for reps.

often these guys are otherwise skinny, never work legs (unless you count biking and running),
cant full squat 225 or deadlift 315, you get the picture.

i can still pull over 600lbs, front squat darn near 400lbs, clean over 300lbs, and even with my fucked up elbow i can still overhead jerk 250, but because of various issues, i get owned on the beach boy exercises.

summary: it is probably a real video, and i am still not impressed.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
did not go through the entire thread, but flat pressing strength imho is perhaps the easiest type of lifting to get relatively strong at.

especially when you are young and have healthy joints.

at the fitness center i train at sometimes in the college town i live in, pretty much every frat boy in there can manhandle 90-110lb dumbbells for reps.

often these guys are otherwise skinny, never work legs (unless you count biking and running),
cant full squat 225 or deadlift 315, you get the picture.

i can still pull over 600lbs, front squat darn near 400lbs, clean over 300lbs, and even with my fucked up elbow i can still overhead jerk 250, but because of various issues, i get owned on the beach boy exercises.

summary: it is probably a real video, and i am still not impressed. [/quote]

Well said. I also don’t find it all that impressive:

  • Those are the same 100lb weights at my gym.
  • He rocks the weight forward to use momentum to get up. I tried this the other day and it worked well, actually.
  • Are we really that surprised that some kid places a lot of emphasis on the bench press and subsequently can bench 50lbs more than his body weight?
  • He only did 7 reps. Knowing that the weight feels exponentially heavier the higher the rep range, I might have called BS had he done 15.
  • Kids in my gym do this, too. In fact, they do this on Monday, wait two days, and then do it again. They also look similar to him. I wonder why?
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[quote]Revo09 wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
did not go through the entire thread, but flat pressing strength imho is perhaps the easiest type of lifting to get relatively strong at.

especially when you are young and have healthy joints.

at the fitness center i train at sometimes in the college town i live in, pretty much every frat boy in there can manhandle 90-110lb dumbbells for reps.

often these guys are otherwise skinny, never work legs (unless you count biking and running),
cant full squat 225 or deadlift 315, you get the picture.

i can still pull over 600lbs, front squat darn near 400lbs, clean over 300lbs, and even with my fucked up elbow i can still overhead jerk 250, but because of various issues, i get owned on the beach boy exercises.

summary: it is probably a real video, and i am still not impressed.

Well said. I also don’t find it all that impressive:

  • Those are the same 100lb weights at my gym.
  • He rocks the weight forward to use momentum to get up. I tried this the other day and it worked well, actually.
  • Are we really that surprised that some kid places a lot of emphasis on the bench press and subsequently can bench 50lbs more than his body weight?
  • He only did 7 reps. Knowing that the weight feels exponentially heavier the higher the rep range, I might have called BS had he done 15.
  • Kids in my gym do this, too. In fact, they do this on Monday, wait two days, and then do it again. They also look similar to him. I wonder why?[/quote]

This is becoming circular; no one is saying its impressive - if it were legit, it’s a very nice lift. But many of come from PL and BB backgrounds and we have already seen such stuff in person. That’s NOT the point. The discussion, in my opinion, is not so much to discredit the lift, but rather there are certain things in the vid that beg answers. All are legitimate observations. And by the way, for giggles, I grabbed 100’s the other night and could not get into position as easily as this kid did (before you or anyone else fires off a smart ass reply, I am considerably stronger than him). I also rested the bells on my chest when done and with a wild swing of the legs, could not pop myself up as easily as he did. Anyway, I agree with the main point to a degree. I think the lift IS impressive if he did it. Impressive comparatively speaking. However, for all the reasons already listed, I don’t think the vid is legit - NOT because the lifting feat itself is so impressive as to render it beyond possibility, but because his body movements while handling the weight at various points appears to be defy physics.

And finally, I’m sorry, but I don’t care how much you swing your legs for momentum, if you put more than your total bwt on your chest, you aint standing up as easily as he did. Remember what he weighs. Anyway, this thread is done, stick a fork in it. All pro and con points have been made and exhausted - and I’m as guilty as the next guy.