Pat Mendes 800 Pound Raw Squat

[quote]stallion wrote:
Yes, I’ve been working at a total of 4 different gyms for a total time of 7 years.

I still stand by my statement: “Any pussy can get strong and big by using steroids.”

I have seen many of these pussies around, and I smell a shitload of them on this board too! :slight_smile:

Trying to offend me is fine, at some point I became a mature adult and stopped caring about what
people think of me. :slight_smile:

So for anyone who will listen, I tell them that natural lifting is the only way, and anyone who
disagree with this, well do your thing, but be prepared the day it does catch up to you, because
at some point it will, one way or another way.

Oh, as a side note, the reason many people prefer to bench press over squats and deadlifts are because
bench press is easy to do. Squats are hard and so is deadlifts. Go to any gym in any country, and
you will see a lot of big motherfuckers doing their incline dumbell presses, their lat pulldowns
or their precher curls.

Real men squat and deadlift. :slight_smile: But some are content being douchebags. And again, I smell a shitload of those on this board. :slight_smile:

– Stallion[/quote]

Thanks.
If you’ve never used steroids, how can you speak for some one who has? I trained naturally for five years before I tried them (six week cycle) then cycled on and off, stayed of for a year in 2007, and am now on HRT, so yes, in that respect it caught up with me, and I fucked up my natural test production-poor me-I’m not asking for anyones sympathy. I do agree that there will be repercussions from steroid use, in some way or another.

My point is- I can speak from the perspective of a ‘natural trainee’ and an ‘unnatural one’ if thats how you want to describe it. You can’t. So stop trying. If you are of the mind set that anyone who uses steroids cheats, then don’t compare yourself to them, let them do there thing and you do yours, let them reap their rewards in one sense, and let them pay the price in another. You reap your benefits- self- riotousness, health, integrity- whatever. To be completely honest you sound a little like I did when was younger and trained naturally, I was jealous of the gains users were making and thought it really was cheating, then I just decided with all the other shit going on in the world taking an unhealthy interest in other mens bodies because they chose to use steroids was the last thing I should be worrying about- I just got on with my life.

The only thing I don’t agree with is steroid users competing in natural competitions or comparing themselves to natural trainees, deneighing
steroid use and attributing their gains to ‘hard work’ but on a side note, bare in mind I’m in the UK where steroid use is legal, people in the USA, especially who reveal their identity on this board and have respectable jobs can’t go admitting to using something where the consequences are serious legal repercussions.

What people do with their bodies is their personal choice. Not yours. I think people who drink alcohol in social situations lack confidence and need to go to places where they can enjoy themselves without having to sedate themselves with poisonous liquids to have fun, but I don’t rant on about it on wine tasting forums or at parties or in bars- its not my business, I don’t try to impose my opinion onto people unless their actions are carried out in exceptional circumstances.

Thanks for telling us all that pussies like bench presses and shirk lower body training, you have truly enlightened us.

Anyone who knows how to train and eat can get big(ger) with steroids, I agree, there are plenty of idiots out there who use steroids, get big and give bodybuilding a VERY bad name, John Mcallum wrote a great article in his keys to progress series called ‘public relations’ which I think everyone should read. What is your definition of big?

I don’t quite see why your hijacking this thread to extoll the virtues of natural training on a bodybuilding forum on a site called ‘testosterone nation’ which actually has a dedicated sub forum for steroids and HRT.

So… I take steroids, got to 230 at 20% BF naturally, and now am 230 at about 13% BF and stronger, am I a pussy?

Please answer this question… “do you think steroids would get you a pro card in the IFBB, or a medal in weightlifting, do you think steroids are the only thing between you and that degree of success?” yes or no answer please.

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
I nearly fell of my chair when I saw the weight class he’s done this in: 75Kg

Fuck me that is insane. I would love to see where this kid is in ten years, he should be a record breaker in the future.[/quote]

75kg? Pat? Nah, he’s a SHW, it says in the video he weighs 130kg. Where did you get 75kg?

[quote]Wrah wrote:

[quote]rasturai wrote:
He’s just a phenom. Just like Mike Tyson was. One comes around every so often.[/quote]

Phenom at what? Because he doesn’t compete in raw full back squat you know.[/quote]

Perhaps a phenom at being pretty fucking strong? Because regardless of his conpetition results it’s hard to argue that he is anything but pretty fucking strong.

Wait, aren’t you the guy who said CYC has a shitty deadlift? Hah, your comment makes perfect sense in that light.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]stallion wrote:
I’ve been training for 10.5 year. Natural all the way, and I’ve done an all time no-belt ATG squat of 250kg/550lbs. Actually I did it the day after Mendez 363kg squat. I’d been hunting that number for a while, and I was very close, as close as you can come without making it, and that fucking incredible lift inspired the hell out of me, so on an not optimum day, I decided just to go for it and do it. I have no need to brag further and post a video here. It would be a shame to try to put me in the same divison as the men who has had their videos posted in this thread.

Steroids will make you become physcially stronger, but steroids cannot help you with mental toughness. When you come to a certain point, further advancement is mostly due to you being a bloody tough bastard. Of course, if you are a bloody though bastard AND you use steroids, you will become inhuman strong. Any pussy can take steroids and become big and strong, but to become really strong, steroids are simply not enough.

If you want to have a look at some though bastards that I do believe to be natural, look up these people:

Blenderate (Andy Ruse(?) search that name on youtube 305kg raw 1rm squat)
Power275 (Mike Tuscherer, search that name on youtube 350+kg raw 1rm squat)
Tmodi (Search that name on youtube, Modi here on T-Nation 270kg+ raw 1rm squat)
Holymoly (Search holymoly +squat on youtube, he’s got a 300kg raw 1rm squat at 22 years old)

There are also some more strong lifters (squatters) on youtube, but I am not so sure about their
status in regards to steroids. And of course there will be many lifters I do not know about.

On a world basis, many natural weightlifters and powerlifters will have a 300kg+ squat, and
that is a very advanced level. Once you get up to 350kg+ 1rm squat, the number of people that
can do this decrease dramatically. Usually people that have this kind of strength have worked
out for many many years, unless they are on steroids. But some of them just have more talent
than others. Imagine if you go to your first workout as a teenager and you can do a 330lbs ATG
squat on your first try, then you have got some real talent.

I am not saying Mendez is clean, or that he is on. It is not my role to speculate.

But when I see someone do a 363kg ATG no-belt-walked out-walked in-no spotter squat, then I become inspired. Very much so. That’s a squat. Hats down. It’s not multiply, it’s no quarter depth, it’s no monolift. It’s a fucking SQUAT!

No matter what flows through his blood, if it is a normal level of testesterone or an elevated level, we can all learn something from his dedication and thoughnes. Steroids or not, these guys are tough. They are no whimps, but a shitload of people are, and they will never get STRONG!

– Stallion[/quote]

If you’re really natural, then stop telling people what steroids can and can’t do. “Any pussy can take steroids and become big and strong…” Really?

You have no idea what you’re talking about, re: steroid use.[/quote]

Stallion- I didn’t see this post previously, apologies I’d like to make some additional comments.

I would like to say that I think 10.5 years training, natural, shows a lot of dedication and a 250kg squat is very impressive and is MORE than I can do.

I agree with you to a degree about the mental toughness, though I don’t think an ectomorph with few fast twitch muscle fibers and tiny wrists and ankles will make it to the olympics armed only with mental toughness any more than they will armed with steroids.

I do think that work ethic, dedication, steroids even-gasp! and mental toughness are all elements that we can incorporate that are within our control, unlike genetic potential and body structure etc in order to further our gains.

My point is that steroid use aside there are many methods, within our control that we can and should utilize to make more progress, steroids in my opinion are more of a catalyst to progress if that makes sense. Many steroid users do abuse steroids and think that ‘more roids’ are the answer to breaking through plateau’s whereas modified training, rest, increased calorie intake etc is the answer. Anyone here who users steroids, myself included will be able to tell you that blind steroid abuse does not lead to 800LB squats.

When you say mental toughness is a big part, and I interpret that (mental toughness) as dedication, hard work and determination, which I think pertained to your squat and dead lift comment about pussies not doing them- I can see your point now if what you meant was a top heavy bodybuilder who is clearly using ‘da roidz’ and shirks leg work and dead lifts- yes I think that gives a natural 250 kg squatter the right to call them a pussy.

Nuff said, I’m not getting any further into an argument about natural vs roids, I just don’t have the interest or energy.

Bottom line- concentrate on doing what your doing, if steroid use offends you, avoid the people who use, or at least ignore them and do your own thing.

back on topic-holy shit…

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

back on topic-holy shit…[/quote]

Good God. I squat and deadlift rather than curling in the squat rack, but that is a whole 'nother level of lifting.

[quote]ag918w35 wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

back on topic-holy shit…[/quote]

Good God. I squat and deadlift rather than curling in the squat rack, but that is a whole 'nother level of lifting.

[/quote]

you deadlift in the squat rack?

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Wrah wrote:

[quote]rasturai wrote:
He’s just a phenom. Just like Mike Tyson was. One comes around every so often.[/quote]

Phenom at what? Because he doesn’t compete in raw full back squat you know.[/quote]

Perhaps a phenom at being pretty fucking strong? Because regardless of his conpetition results it’s hard to argue that he is anything but pretty fucking strong.

Wait, aren’t you the guy who said CYC has a shitty deadlift? Hah, your comment makes perfect sense in that light.[/quote]

Yeah but he was being compared to Mike fucking Tyson, now come on. I ask you again, in which sport he is a phenom at? Weightlifting? Not yet. Powerlifting? Not yet either.

[quote]Wrah wrote:

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Wrah wrote:

[quote]rasturai wrote:
He’s just a phenom. Just like Mike Tyson was. One comes around every so often.[/quote]

Phenom at what? Because he doesn’t compete in raw full back squat you know.[/quote]

Perhaps a phenom at being pretty fucking strong? Because regardless of his conpetition results it’s hard to argue that he is anything but pretty fucking strong.

Wait, aren’t you the guy who said CYC has a shitty deadlift? Hah, your comment makes perfect sense in that light.[/quote]

Yeah but he was being compared to Mike fucking Tyson, now come on. I ask you again, in which sport he is a phenom at? Weightlifting? Not yet. Powerlifting? Not yet either.[/quote]

No sport was specified but since this thread is about him squatting 363kg I suppose you could say he’s a phenom at squatting. While squatting alone isn’t a sport I still think it’s acceptable to call a 20 year old guy squatting that weight in that manner a phenom. Maybe we can agree that this is fair and avoid more unnecessary bickering? Sorry about the CYC comment btw, it’s OT and I probably shouldn’t have dragged it up.

I agree that he has yet to prove himself as a competing weightlifter, until he has delivered in actual competition we can’t really say much more than that he’s got a metric fuckton of potential. His strength is impressive as hell though and I certainly hope we get to see him perform well in the upcoming olympics.

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
I nearly fell of my chair when I saw the weight class he’s done this in: 75Kg

Fuck me that is insane. I would love to see where this kid is in ten years, he should be a record breaker in the future.[/quote]

75kg? Pat? Nah, he’s a SHW, it says in the video he weighs 130kg. Where did you get 75kg? [/quote]

My bad, read it wrong after googling his name. Its still pretty impressive. I am back on my chair though :slight_smile:

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Wrah wrote:

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Wrah wrote:

[quote]rasturai wrote:
He’s just a phenom. Just like Mike Tyson was. One comes around every so often.[/quote]

Phenom at what? Because he doesn’t compete in raw full back squat you know.[/quote]

Perhaps a phenom at being pretty fucking strong? Because regardless of his conpetition results it’s hard to argue that he is anything but pretty fucking strong.

Wait, aren’t you the guy who said CYC has a shitty deadlift? Hah, your comment makes perfect sense in that light.[/quote]

Yeah but he was being compared to Mike fucking Tyson, now come on. I ask you again, in which sport he is a phenom at? Weightlifting? Not yet. Powerlifting? Not yet either.[/quote]

No sport was specified but since this thread is about him squatting 363kg I suppose you could say he’s a phenom at squatting. While squatting alone isn’t a sport I still think it’s acceptable to call a 20 year old guy squatting that weight in that manner a phenom. Maybe we can agree that this is fair and avoid more unnecessary bickering? Sorry about the CYC comment btw, it’s OT and I probably shouldn’t have dragged it up.

I agree that he has yet to prove himself as a competing weightlifter, until he has delivered in actual competition we can’t really say much more than that he’s got a metric fuckton of potential. His strength is impressive as hell though and I certainly hope we get to see him perform well in the upcoming olympics.[/quote]

Yeah sorry about the pickering but some people I feel, althought he has huge potential, hype this guy up too much. Or too long, it’s been some time now since he became a small Youtube celebrity. But I hope everything good for him.

[quote]stallion wrote:
I still stand by my statement: “Any pussy can get strong and big by using steroids.”

Oh, as a side note, the reason many people prefer to bench press over squats and deadlifts are because
bench press is easy to do. Squats are hard and so is deadlifts. Go to any gym in any country, and
you will see a lot of big motherfuckers doing their incline dumbell presses, their lat pulldowns
or their precher curls.

– Stallion[/quote]

this is SO true. I always wondered why the fuck there is so many guys who don’t any leg (I am not even sure they do any back and shoulder and even triceps) yet are able to Bench press in the 300’s while always training with 2 cellphone.

I don’t like those people

Some stupid strong squatting (among other things) in this video also:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]stallion wrote:
I still stand by my statement: “Any pussy can get strong and big by using steroids.”

Oh, as a side note, the reason many people prefer to bench press over squats and deadlifts are because
bench press is easy to do. Squats are hard and so is deadlifts. Go to any gym in any country, and
you will see a lot of big motherfuckers doing their incline dumbell presses, their lat pulldowns
or their precher curls.

– Stallion[/quote]

this is SO true. I always wondered why the fuck there is so many guys who don’t any leg (I am not even sure they do any back and shoulder and even triceps) yet are able to Bench press in the 300’s while always training with 2 cellphone.

I don’t like those people[/quote]

Probably because 300 pounds is not that heavy.

[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
Only more impressive olympic squatter I can think of is Koklyaev. Misha who is 32 and maybe the best all around strength athlete in the world. And this kid is 20 or 21 right?[/quote]
For a comparison, here is Misha doing 360kg/ 793lbs raw in competition…

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ag918w35 wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

back on topic-holy shit…[/quote]

Good God. I squat and deadlift rather than curling in the squat rack, but that is a whole 'nother level of lifting.

[/quote]

you deadlift in the squat rack?[/quote]

I find it’s much easier to deadlift when the ROM is like 3 inches…

[quote]ag918w35 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ag918w35 wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

back on topic-holy shit…[/quote]

Good God. I squat and deadlift rather than curling in the squat rack, but that is a whole 'nother level of lifting.

[/quote]

you deadlift in the squat rack?[/quote]

I find it’s much easier to deadlift when the ROM is like 3 inches…[/quote]

you mean like Chuck’s world record 1100 whatever pound world record “squat”?