I know I,BODYBUILDER said there was massive amounts of muscle gained in small periods of time, I don’t doubt this at all. I was just curious to see how much everyone else has gained during their experiences.
In the past 6 weeks that I’ve been on it, I have gone from 156/7lbs - 170 lbs and have gained little, if any fat in the process.
Nice work dude!
What changes did you make, apart from you beginning a new program?
I.e. diet prior and during? and what was your training like prior…?
GJ
went from small to average by consuming an extra 1,000 cals… imagine that.
Not knocking you btw
I made a lot of changes, I used to religiously follow the Anabolic Nutrient Timing Factor, but I read some of Thib’s posts about para-workout nutrition and started front loading a huge amount of carbs on the specialization days. Before I did IBB I trained Max-OT style which turned out to be more a strength program than a mass program.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
went from small to average by consuming an extra 1,000 cals… imagine that.
Not knocking you btw[/quote]
Ha yea I know. But this is why i was surprised, I wasn’t eating too much in surplus, the most I went over maintenance calories was probably about 200 at most, I had trouble cramming in all the food I needed to still allow me to amino pulse (yea forgot to mention thats another change i made in my diet). Some days I was in a deficit because i didnt have enough time in the day to shove down the 3500-4000 calories and still have no food in my stomach for a pulse.
nice!!
I’m looking to get into this 8 weeks in each phase of it starting this fall
good to hear!
measurements of before and after?
I don’t have any measurements because Im a little unskilled at getting it done accurately but i do have progress pics. My before back show is my IBB log and I’ll post my present one after my workout ( i made the mistake of doing my before shot after a workout).
I may not follow I, Bodybuilder, but I do use the products and I have to say this liquid form of protein has changed the way I eat and the results I have seen over the last 6 months or so. I am currently down a solid 20lbs from my heaviest weight and I haven’t even added cardio in yet…and my strength hasn’t gone anywhere.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
nice!!
I’m looking to get into this 8 weeks in each phase of it starting this fall
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Nice, it’s the best program i’ve been on but the perfect rep thing is a little hard to get 100% and remember, thats why i printed out the highlights of the article and pasted it in my training journal lol.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I may not follow I, Bodybuilder, but I do use the products and I have to say this liquid form of protein has changed the way I eat and the results I have seen over the last 6 months or so. I am currently down a solid 20lbs from my heaviest weight and I haven’t even added cardio in yet…and my strength hasn’t gone anywhere.[/quote]
Nice, I do agree the products are great. I unfortunately cant afford it at the moment but I’ve been doing the alternatives that CT said would work pretty good, and he did not lie.
Just wondering: have you seen any significant strength increases over the course of your six weeks?
Also, I was wondering if you ran each spec cycle for 2 weeks or longer?
I ran the shoulder spec. 4 weeks and had huge increases in my top-half overhead pess. It went from struggling at 115 for 2 cluster reps to 145 easy for 3 cluster reps. I probably could’ve gone heavier but I hurt both of my wrists at the end of my third week so i didn’t want to make them worse. The High-Incline Press went up a solid 10 lbs, as well as the push press.
I’m currently in the second week of the back specialization and plan on doing two more weeks of it. My numbers in weight haven’t really changed much. Since my knee(which i also injured), is feeling better i think I’ll be able to begin deadlifting again which should aid to the cause. Also it s safe to say my pull ups went up about 12 lbs considered 7 lbs heavier than when i started back, and added 5 lbs to the actual exercise.
one question. not knocking IBB but if you eat 4000 calories of a decent diet and bench 400 pounds sooner or later do you really think your upper body would look much diff whether you followed ibb or any other program. just go to the gym and do shit “your” way. unless your way is completely retarded. sorry again for putting IBB on the spot but neither Christian, Sebastian, or Kevin have done IBB prior to now and their physiques were not anything to scoff at from the beginning using regular bb methods. Their are some good pointers you could learn from the program…explosive lifting, dominating the weight, low reps, heavy weight, and specialization but i think the average right minded trainee would be better off just doing his own thing. this is given that he knows his body and knows what the right thing would be.
This is true. I was just more or less curious to see how other people were fairing on the program, I know IBB isn’t the be all end all, as CT said it’s more or less an introductory program to the perfect rep principles. So I focus more on the perfect rep rules as my guide.
Some clarifications…
IBB is only the first program, the introductory one, if you want using some of the high threshold hypertrophy principles (explosive concentric, low reps, autoregulation and activation specifically) other principles and techniques will be added to the upcoming programs.
That having been said, these 4 principles are something that have been in my own training ever since I started training seriously (for football, then olympic lifting, then bodybuilding). I always used those 4. So it is kinda false to say that I already had a good physique before starting IBB for the simple reason that the principles on which this program is based have always been the cornerstone of 90% of the stuff I’ve done myself in the gym.
At the beginning Tim asked me to design the ‘‘ultimate program’’. I gave him something like a powerlifting and bodybuilding hybrid which was half of what I did myself and half of what I thought people wanted to hear. He rejected it by simply asking ‘‘is it REALLY how YOU train?’’. Of course it wasn’t.
So I went back to the drawing board. I redid the program quite a few times. With every new draft Tim asked me other questions that had me thinking and change the program again. I was really focused only on the exercise, sets and reps selection at the beginning. But as the processs evolved it became clear that the principles underlying the actual variables were much more important. That’s when we stopped focusing on the program itself and rather on finding the 3-4 core principles that made my own training productive over the years.
Once these principles were established, we designed a first program using those.
While we have found many new techniques, great ones, since then (we are constantly experimenting) the basic 4 will never change and will remain the cornerstone of all our philosophy.
While my own physique might have not been built by the IBB itself (although I did get substantial gains from it) 90% of the sessions I’ve done in the gym were respecting those basic 4 principles, thus making them IBB-like in philosophy.
And I have always trained my athletes (sport athletes and bodybuilders) according to these principles. So it is fair to say that a lot of strength, power, speed and muscle has been built by those principles. The supplement protocol simply made those gains faster and easier to achieve due to the better recovery and greater anabolism.
Furthermore, the IBB user forum has a lot of feedback from individual using the program and protocol. You might want to go read that.
I think the IBB program teaches people common sense.
The OP is 5’11". Following any sound program will result in similar gains. Any other program you see out there is 3x10 of this, 5x5 of that, or whatever. It’s just a bunch of exercises, sets and reps. At least this one tells you (if you read CT’s advice) that you may only get in 4 or 5 sets or may actually get in up to 8-10 sets when you are ramping up.
I flat out don’t like many of the exercises that are included in the program, but I’m doing it as is simply for the learning tool that it is. Finished the shoulder spec last week and gained a lot of feedback from it. I look/feel more solid in the shoulders and traps, and my biceps have gotten much stronger (I’ve always heart if your biceps are lagging…work on your trap/shoulder strength).
I’m actually pretty excited about the next program(s) coming out and hope the next one is a Volume based approach.
Alan
If you’re used to overall low volume, then a higher amount will definitely trigger a growth response. I’m curious what else Christian will put together. Yes, he’s repeated over and over that IBB was just ONE way to apply the concepts he’s put forth. You’ve got guys like PX ACTrain, myself and many others who are using variations of, or just elements of IBB with very respectable levels of success. Nothing is magic though, and I think people are starting to grasp that notion.
S
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Some clarifications…
IBB is only the first program, the introductory one, if you want using some of the high threshold hypertrophy principles (explosive concentric, low reps, autoregulation and activation specifically) other principles and techniques will be added to the upcoming programs.
That having been said, these 4 principles are something that have been in my own training ever since I started training seriously (for football, then olympic lifting, then bodybuilding). I always used those 4. So it is kinda false to say that I already had a good physique before starting IBB…
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I have been using the principles from CT for ~12 weeks now, and haven’t looked back. Weight gain, I find, is much easier now.
[quote]kjmont wrote:
Before I did IBB I trained Max-OT style which turned out to be more a strength program than a mass program.
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Then you weren’t eating enough food, plain and simple. It wasn’t the program, it was your diet which was preventing you from gaining mass.
Sorry for the hijack, just any time I see someone thinking like this it bugs me.
/hijack