Why I, BODYBUILDER Isn't as Important as You Think

Ok, it might be dumb title since we’ve been working on this project for 10 months, but it is true.

When it comes out (it will!, honest) most people will miss the boat completely with this I, BODYBUILDER thing. Most readers will simply jump into it like they would a regular program. It’s not meant to be that way.

I, BODYBUILDER is NOT the finish line, it’s only the front door to the castle. Basically it is the application we designed to teach you the foundations of HIGH THRESHOLD HYPERTROPHY. And HTH is not a program set in stone, heck, it isn’t even a system in the traditional sense. If you learn the basic principles, you can pretty much apply them to any kind of training and make it work.

Basically we want to teach people how to train to get results, not how to follow a program. Ironically we had to design a program to teach people how NOT to follow a program!

Let me tell you this: if you do not master the art of the perfect rep, do not grasp how to get into that activated state and don’t know how to autoregulate, then IBB will simply be just another internet program… no better or worse than the tens of thousand already available, and that would truly sadden me.

Let’s start with the PERFECT REP. The perfect rep is a set in itself, an athletic event. Every single rep should be performed so that you juice everything you can get growth-wise out of it, regardless of the actual weight you are lifting.

Yeah yeah yeah, I know how stupid it sounds… we all know how to do that, right? We all control, but don’t go slow on purpose on the eccentric and try to be explosive on the concentric, right? Let me tell you this, most of you who think that they are doing it, aren’t.

Heck we have been working with Mighty_Stu, ACTrain, Nate Green, his partner Kyle and a special ops officer friend of mine who has tons of lifting experience.

Well, NONE of them were performing reps that would fit the bill…

Not Stu who has been lifting for years, competed in a strongman and bodybuilding contest and is very smart about training.

Not ACTrain who has also been training for a long while and who is one of the most insightful and helpful forum member.

Not Nate Green who is a great all-around athlete, has good natural explosiveness and has interviewed or trained with many of the world’s top coaches.

Not Kyle who is a training freak, loves everything related to training and is very strong (actually he was the one who got the perfect concept the fastest).

Not Jer who played college football (fullback) has been training for years and does MMA to get his adrenalin flowing.

It took all of 4 days to really get, and were able to perform consistently perfect reps. And once they got it, despite doing minimal actual training they all felt super sore but motivated to train.

It honestly shocked me how far away these guys were from that perfect rep, despite thinking themselves that they were doing it. And I consider these guys advanced and very knowledgeable about training. So I can only imagine how the average gym rat is!

And the thing is that it all starts with that perfect rep. If you can’t do perfect reps every single time, then I BB will not work like it should. If you can’t do those perfect reps, there is no logic in you using advanced methods.

While I will not go into all the details about that perfect rep… Nate will probably write an article about it in the future and I guess Stu and AC might share some of their experience, know one thing:

The KEY to producing growth, to getting that perfect rep, is finding a way to maximize the amount of force produced at the turnaround point (when you switch from the eccentric to the concentric). The FIRST 4 inches in the range of motion are totally the key! The turnaround should not only be rapid, it must be snappy. The faster and more powerful the turnaround is, the more force the muscle will produce and the more muscle damage you will inflict.

A lot of people ‘get’ the need to try to accelerate during that concentric phase. But most of them are still slow at that turnaround point. The gradually build up speed during the whole rep, good, but not perfect if you are not able to produce optimal force in the stretch position.

Every single method we have is based on putting a maximum stress on the muscle in that stretch position. Our regular reps are all bout that powerful turnaround… if you don’t get it, you will not benefit from any of the things we are doing.

Twitch reps are actually a learning tool: they are used to work on that snappy turnaround skill. We just happen to found out that they were also very good at activating the nervous system.

Reps from a deadstart and blast isos put a lot of stress on the stretch position for another reason: they take out the reflex action out of the stretch position, so the muscles themselves have to contract extra hard to produce the necessary force to lift the weight. The blast isos also have the advantage of putting you in that aggressive/attacking mode which favors that explosive rep.

Even the way I NOW recommend doing negatives/eccentric training is based on putting stress on that stretch position (more on that one in the future).

Master the perfect rep… learn to be a ‘turnaround genius’ and you will be able to stimulate growth with every single repetition, not only that last grueling rep of a set. If you don’t learn that perfect rep… than none of what we will put on the net during this project will wok any better than the average program.

CT,

Thanks much for that post; it’s enlightening and practical.

Two questions:

  1. Does the snappy, explosive turnaround go against a somewhat ingrained strength principle (Pavel talks about it) that you should apply steady, constant force (still accelerating) to move a heavy weight? Would a sudden “explosion” from eccentric to concentric cause you to gas out prematurely, possibly during the rep? (i.e. people experience this when they power through the turnaround of an intense bench set only to find the neural pathway give out near the middle)

  2. For cluster reps and presses (or pulls) off pins, would the application of the perfect rep be any different?

Best,

This is interesting and makes me think that I’m not being as “explosive” as needed. Hard to imagine sitting here at my desk, but I tend to lower the bar under control and have a slight pause at the bottom (I’m thinking inlcline bench here) before trying to accelerate as quickly as possible. My intent is to minimize the reflex action. Sounds like I need to work on minimizing the pause (no pause) and not worry about eliminating the reflex action for a correct rep.

I’m really interested in seeing the videos when they come out. I suppose I’m one of those who is less interested in the actual program and more interested in the techniques used. Especially since I have no formal athletic experience or mentor in weight training. Not counting overweight high school coaches from 20 years ago.

LOL I saw this post and expected it to be from ANYONE except you.
Good post, though, thanks

Isn’t breaking the eccentric/concentric chain a frequently-employed technique in strength building?

most people have figured this out

thanks for clearing the mystery though… There were a lot out there thinking that this “super” program would make the instant pros…

I honestly thought this I,Bodybuilder thing was a way to push new supps…thanks for proving me wrong here

you truly are a man of integrity

IMMORTAL

[quote]TwinIron wrote:
Isn’t breaking the eccentric/concentric chain a frequently-employed technique in strength building?[/quote]

Yes, like with clusters.

Notice that I mentioned that the key is to produce as much force as possible when the muscle is in a stretched position. When doing normal sets then trying to be snappy at the turnaround point is the best way to do this

With clusters you are utilizing a different approach to get the same result (max force in a somewhat stretched position) but you do so by taing the reflexes out of the movement so that the muscle had to contract harder.

The more ways you find to put the muscles under stretched and max force, then more ways you’ll find to grow.

I was expecting this to be a thread ripping on CT and I, Bodybuilder, what a pleasant surprise.

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I was expecting this to be a thread ripping on CT and I, Bodybuilder, what a pleasant surprise.[/quote]

I’ve never been ripped on, at least not to a significant extent, because contrary to most coaches I:

  • don’t have an ego
  • I am genuinely looking to help people
  • don’t care what the answer is, as long as it is the truth… I don’t feel the need to be the one who has the answers

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
VikingsAD28 wrote:
I was expecting this to be a thread ripping on CT and I, Bodybuilder, what a pleasant surprise.

I’ve never been ripped on, at least not to a significant extent, because contrary to most coaches I:

  • don’t have an ego
  • I am genuinely looking to help people
  • don’t care what the answer is, as long as it is the truth… I don’t feel the need to be the one who has the answers[/quote]

All rare and wonderful traits (especially in your field)

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
VikingsAD28 wrote:
I was expecting this to be a thread ripping on CT and I, Bodybuilder, what a pleasant surprise.

I’ve never been ripped on, at least not to a significant extent, because contrary to most coaches:

  • I don’t have an ego
  • I am genuinely looking to help people
  • I don’t care what the answer is, as long as it is the truth… I don’t feel the need to be the one who has the answers
  • I am REALLY being honest when I say points no.1, 2 and 3![/quote]

I have a lot of respect for you as a coach and an innovative mind in the training community, it gets annoying seeing thread after thread made my people who are 190 and think they have so much more to offer the people of T-Nation.

The Matt Kroc video you posted… those are perfect reps?

[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
VikingsAD28 wrote:
I was expecting this to be a thread ripping on CT and I, Bodybuilder, what a pleasant surprise.

I’ve never been ripped on, at least not to a significant extent, because contrary to most coaches:

  • I don’t have an ego
  • I am genuinely looking to help people
  • I don’t care what the answer is, as long as it is the truth… I don’t feel the need to be the one who has the answers
  • I am REALLY being honest when I say points no.1, 2 and 3!

I have a lot of respect for you as a coach and an innovative mind in the training community, it gets annoying seeing thread after thread made my people who are 190 and think they have so much more to offer the people of T-Nation.[/quote]

Well, depending on my health I’m anywhere between 242 and 205… and I’m pretty sure that I’m not that much smarter at 242 :wink:

Hypertrophy tease =P

I like the post explaining the perfect rep. Really highlighted one aspect of training that I never really thought about too much. I won’t be doing the I-BB thing, but I’ll be adapting aspects of it to my own training. Currently in the process of formulating a routine for my next bulk in a few months and this thread has made me go back and really think about my approach.

Really rekindled my interest with the upcoming program.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The Matt Kroc video you posted… those are perfect reps?[/quote]

I haven’t looked at them with a coaching mind. But I do remember him having a lightning fast turnaround. So, yes, the quality of the rep is very high but form might not be perfect on all lifts.

[quote]Teledin wrote:
Hypertrophy tease =P

I like the post explaining the perfect rep. Really highlighted one aspect of training that I never really thought about too much. I won’t be doing the I-BB thing, but I’ll be adapting aspects of it to my own training. Currently in the process of formulating a routine for my next bulk in a few months and this thread has made me go back and really think about my approach.

Really rekindled my interest with the upcoming program.[/quote]

It is really our objective to teach people how to train, not how to follow a program we have written. If you can learn the basic principles we are taking about (perfect rep, activation, autoregulation) then you can apply them to almost any program.

Regarding the rep… it all starts there!!! How can we talk about advanced methods, sets manipulation and other complex variable if the most basic training unit, the rep, is not done properly?

Have you found it hard to teach snappy turnaround in pressing movements ? I mean, there’s a thin line between rapid touch-and-go and excessive bouncing of the weight!

Coach, I think the biggest thing you need to convince is why they should care. Anyone who has gained size tradition ways probably will scoff at what you have put together with IBB.

I think what they don’t realize is that there is a faster way, and a better way.

CT, not sure how much can be discussed on the forum, but I think many of us would be interested in reading a thread in which all the T-Nation members who travelled to Colorado had a virtual de-briefing to discuss their experiences, learnings, etc.

Either a heavily moderated thread or one in the t-cell so it will stay on topic. I think that could be very educational.

Obviously a really fast turnaround with a heavy load is a huge stress on the tendons. did yo never have any
problems with that? on cgbp for example a fast turnaround makes my elbows almost explode.