How'd They Do It Before Supps?

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I regret clicking on every damn thread this guy posts in.

Whats your deal guy? You do realize, gram for gram, most protein powder (at least if you know where to look) is much cheaper than the protein in food. So whats your arguement there? You talk about wasting money and deceptive marketing etc etc etc.

How am I wasting money as a college student because I can get equal protein for less money by drinking shakes instead of buying meat?

Sounds like I’m saving money, pal.[/quote]

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There’s no way I could get enough protein or calories if I didn’t supplement with PWOs or protein.

Some of the other supps? Bang for buck. Z12 seems to really help with sleep…dunno if that’s worth $50 or not. Alpha Male seems to help, but again - bang for buck?

But protein powders? I don’t see how you can argue against them.

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For those of you arguing against supplements, especially protein of all things-- how can you justify using a computer to communicate?

Shouldn’t you be hand delivering your messages? You know, like they did in the old days.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
believe it or not, our bodies have evolved to eat REAL food. And guess what, they had food back then. Maybe this fact illustrates the likelyhood that supplements are a waste of money.[/quote]

you’re an idiot. and that logic is flawed.

protein powder is food, creatine is found in food. zma is found in food. Superfood is actually food
Flameout is actually food

to lump all supplements under one umbrella is idiotic

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
kinein wrote:
I view supplements as an alternative. Real food wins

Smart guy.

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maybe he/you should view them as a “supplement” and not an alternative. hmmmm

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You have a point and I apologize for the profanity…
Truly.

However the cherry stays… or as I meant it, naive on this subject…

[quote]yogaroots wrote:
inthego wrote:

Stop being a fucking cherry!

Having an opinion is one thing, and if you don’t agree with it fine. I don’t know why people need to resort to vulgarity in any form. I’m sure your more creative than that. Matter of fact, I know you are because I’ve seen your posts here. We can differ on opinion, but I don’t remember EVER disrespecting anyone. Quote me if I have and I will apologize with integrity.[/quote]

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[quote]Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.
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And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF!

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Well the question was, “How’d they do it before supps.” My answer was because supps likely dont do much.

Just because your protein shake has 40g of protein, and 10g of BCAA, that doesn’t mean its as effective as the same amount of meat. Heck, maybe the shake is even more effective than the meat, but thats the thing with supplements. You dont know if your success is linked to the supplements, or the fact that your more disciplined and work harder because you’ve just spent hundreds of dollors on supps.

The fact that there were successful people before supps, shows that supps are not necessary. Sure they may help, but not necessary. Also, 90% of people shouldn’t be wasting their money on supplements, they should instead be focusing on eating the right foods.

I will say that Pre/Post workout shakes are almost essential, because I dont want to be chewing on a piece of meat during my rest breaks.

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[quote]inthego wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF![/quote]

LOL…not even going into the fact that, if looking to put on some size, I would rather eat a Big Mac than a couple scoops of protein powder…

Mega Newb was speaking in regards to his experience.

Check out his lifts/size…see how you stack up before making another comment as to how stupid his opinion is in regards to building muscle/strength.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
Well the question was, “How’d they do it before supps.” My answer was because supps likely dont do much.

Just because your protein shake has 40g of protein, and 10g of BCAA, that doesn’t mean its as effective as the same amount of meat. Heck, maybe the shake is even more effective than the meat, but thats the thing with supplements. You dont know if your success is linked to the supplements, or the fact that your more disciplined and work harder because you’ve just spent hundreds of dollors on supps.

The fact that there were successful people before supps, shows that supps are not necessary. Sure they may help, but not necessary. Also, 90% of people shouldn’t be wasting their money on supplements, they should instead be focusing on eating the right foods.

I will say that Pre/Post workout shakes are almost essential, because I dont want to be chewing on a piece of meat during my rest breaks.[/quote]

Your last sentence contradicts the entire post before it. School is obviously out for the summer.

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[quote]inthego wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF![/quote]

Better question, how is a bunch of protein, carbs, fats, and calories not going to make your muscle/workouts better?

Did food become obsolete to protein powder over night or something?

And you thought my post was asinine.

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I’m not sure why it’s anyone’s business what other people spend their money on. Assuming someone has their diet and training in order, is ingesting even more food going to be helpful, or will it just make them fat?

And even if they don’t have the other pieces in place (which, by the way, was not the original argument of this thread, that all supplements are unnecessary), who gives a damn if people are buying shit that doesn’t work? At least there’s the very real placebo effect. So even the most useless supplement can help if you believe it will. Now, if you wanted to identify a particular supplement that was actually dangerous to use, go start a thread warning people not to use it.

Alpha Male, for example, may not be “worth the money” in your eyes, but might be for someone with disposable income who would like to improve even 0.001% faster. What the hell else are you going to spend your money on? A new video game?

Yogaroots needs to go study some economics so he will understand that just because he falls at the lower right of the demand curve, not everyone does.

Maybe also this one: Utility - Wikipedia so you will realize that different people have different levels of satisfaction from a given good.

Oh, and my personal experience? Protein powders (including Surge) make proper nutrition much more convenient, and therefore are worth the money to me. Creatine makes a noticeable difference in the weightroom, and it is cheap enough that again, it is worth the money to me. HOT-ROX makes a noticeable difference when dieting, and I would rather spend money on HOT-ROX than either do more cardio or eat less food, so again, it is worth it to me. I concede that they may not be necessary, but I am glad that I have the choice to spend my money on things that make this game a little easier.

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Supps are not essential at all. But guess what: the elite bodybuilders of the 40s look like today’s average, reasonably dedicated gym rat. Wonder why?

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[quote]Mega Newb wrote:
inthego wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF!

Better question, how is a bunch of protein, carbs, fats, and calories not going to make your muscle/workouts better?

Did food become obsolete to protein powder over night or something?

And you thought my post was asinine.
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Food is still a better choice, but not fast food. The amount of bad things like cholesterol, sodium, trans-fat, saturated fat, etc. outway the benefits.

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[quote]toddthebod wrote:
What the hell else are you going to spend your money on? A new video game?
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Yeah, Id much rather have a new video game than Alpha Male. I personally would get more results in the gym by relaxing a few hours a day playing video games than I would with Alpha Male.

Or better yet I would take the money and get a more comfortable pillow and get better sleep. Or get better tasting food for what ever diet I was on. Or rent a bunch of movies to help me relax. I could order some books on lifting, or some training dvd’s and get more gym accessory’s. Some people could get a gym membership for 2 months instead of a bottle of Alpha Male.

Maybe its just me, but I can think of allot better uses for money as far as progress in the gym goes, than supplements.

By the way, this isnt a attack aimed at anyone.

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[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
inthego wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF!

Better question, how is a bunch of protein, carbs, fats, and calories not going to make your muscle/workouts better?

Did food become obsolete to protein powder over night or something?

And you thought my post was asinine.

Food is still a better choice, but not fast food. The amount of bad things like cholesterol, sodium, trans-fat, saturated fat, etc. outway the benefits. [/quote]

Well the benefits in my experience are insane strength and muscle gains in very short amount of time.

The down side is it tastes really good so you end up over eating.

Anyway, it works for me a hell of allot better than protein powder, thats the point.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
LOL…not even going into the fact that, if looking to put on some size, I would rather eat a Big Mac than a couple scoops of protein powder…

Mega Newb was speaking in regards to his experience.

Check out his lifts/size…see how you stack up before making another comment as to how stupid his opinion is in regards to building muscle/strength.[/quote]

I looked at his profile and he is damn strong for his age, but he is my age he’ll regret all that cholesterol. Seems like lately I’ve seen several guys I know that have had heart attacks in the late 30’s early 40’s. You can get all those calories eating clean.

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[quote]Mega Newb wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
inthego wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF!

Better question, how is a bunch of protein, carbs, fats, and calories not going to make your muscle/workouts better?

Did food become obsolete to protein powder over night or something?

And you thought my post was asinine.

Food is still a better choice, but not fast food. The amount of bad things like cholesterol, sodium, trans-fat, saturated fat, etc. outway the benefits.

Well the benefits in my experience are insane strength and muscle gains in very short amount of time.

The down side is it tastes really good so you end up over eating.

Anyway, it works for me a hell of allot better than protein powder, thats the point.
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Of coures it does because protein powder alone isn’t enough. Any body trying to gain muscle should never be only consuming protein powder. Protein powder is very low in calories and has very little fat.

It isn’t a meal replacement. I only use protein powder when I’m dieting. For the most part I use very few suplements. I do hoever go through about 5 dozen eggs a week, probably 5lbs of chicken etc. So I’m all for using food over suplements when you can. Just not fast food.

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This post is sorta making me hungry. I am with the spend your money the way you want to spend your money camp.

You want a video game, buy one. You want protein powder, buy some. You want to buy a book and find out why goverenment regulation is not protecting you the way that it was designed to at the turn of the century, buy 2 and give one to some one who still thinks the Gov has your best interests in mind.

If you take suppliments and they work for you fine. You eat bull testicles and drink fetal blood that is cool too.

Before suppliments they wanted it bad enough to put in the work to make it happen. After suppliments we put in the work to make it happen. All those dudes on the GAS are out doing the work to make it happen. Last time I checked those bar bells do not lift themselves.

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[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
inthego wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

And the award for Most asinine statement in a post or board goes to…

MEGA Newbe…

So Mic Heart attack has my muscles/work outs back better than protein powder? WTF!

Better question, how is a bunch of protein, carbs, fats, and calories not going to make your muscle/workouts better?

Did food become obsolete to protein powder over night or something?

And you thought my post was asinine.

Food is still a better choice, but not fast food. The amount of bad things like cholesterol, sodium, trans-fat, saturated fat, etc. outway the benefits.

Well the benefits in my experience are insane strength and muscle gains in very short amount of time.

The down side is it tastes really good so you end up over eating.

Anyway, it works for me a hell of allot better than protein powder, thats the point.

Of coures it does because protein powder alone isn’t enough. Any body trying to gain muscle should never be only consuming protein powder. Protein powder is very low in calories and has very little fat.

It isn’t a meal replacement. I only use protein powder when I’m dieting. For the most part I use very few suplements. I do hoever go through about 5 dozen eggs a week, probably 5lbs of chicken etc. So I’m all for using food over suplements when you can. Just not fast food.
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To me fast food is the ultimate supplement.

Convenient
Cheaper
Faster
Tastes better
tons of calories
tons of protein

The down side is it is a little unhealthy, so is birth control, smoking, steroids, getting drunk, and just about everything the average american eats now a days.

Il deal with some health side effects for all those added benefits. Besides, fast food doesnt make you feel bad or anything. A healthy male could eat fast food every day of his life and feel great, and be healthy. Most athletes at my school get wendys on the way home after football practice.

People put way to much hate on fast food.

I would also like to add, that I actually eat pretty healthy fast food aside. My parents only buy organic food so I end up eating tons of meat, milk, cheese, whole wheat bread, fruit etc.

Shit, if I started running every day Id probably drop like 50lbs and be the picture of health.

(not trying to hijack this thread by the way)