How'd They Do It Before Supps?

[quote]Short Hoss wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Short Hoss wrote:
All the the people that are biggest and the strongest are not online arguing over whether supplementation is needed or not.

I see lightbulbs switching on.

I see statements like this all the time and they really don’t make sense. Am I supposed to leave work and hit the gym?

No, I’m here all the time as well. I just think the noobs don’t need to spend time arguing over the use of supplements, time that can be spent lifting.

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that’s some bad logic, think about what you just said

[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Some of them may help me, but truthfully these products are NOT regulated by anybody. One thing I will say. Gear may be safer than some of the garbage these companies are pushing. Why- because it’s been studied and tested.

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And who pray tell will REGULATE THEM???!!! The U.S. Government?
They are doing a kick ass job on steroids now… Shit just wait till they get there jack ass brains wrapped around protein, creatine and the like… we will be lucky if we can get a fucking multi-vitamin after the congressional hearings on sups…

And as for the gear… safe? Tested? Like the kind that is made in bath tubs here and in Mexico?

Stop being a fucking cherry!

[quote]inthego wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Some of them may help me, but truthfully these products are NOT regulated by anybody. One thing I will say. Gear may be safer than some of the garbage these companies are pushing. Why- because it’s been studied and tested.

And who pray tell will REGULATE THEM???!!! The U.S. Government?
They are doing a kick ass job on steroids now… Shit just wait till they get there jack ass brains wrapped around protein, creatine and the like… we will be lucky if we can get a fucking multi-vitamin after the congressional hearings on sups…

And as for the gear… safe? Tested? Like the kind that is made in bath tubs here and in Mexico?

Stop being a fucking cherry![/quote]

Reason enough to seriously hate the government and its bullshit policies that supposedly are looking out for your best intrests when in reality is just justification for pushing someones multibillion dollar agenda so individuals can’t freely practice real preventive-based medicine. Ya know, if their isnt any sick people, Big Pharma would be out of work. The same could be said of nearly every health orginazation out their (ACS, AHA, ADA). In fact many of the guidelines they push only serve to further serve their agenda by creating a sick and diseased population fed with bullshit because as you know, drugs are the answer to everyone’s health problems or so they want you to believe. Ill say this one time… most pharmaceuticals are worthless and truly belong in the trash.

believe it or not, our bodies have evolved to eat REAL food. And guess what, they had food back then. Maybe this fact illustrates the likelyhood that supplements are a waste of money.

[quote]inthego wrote:

Stop being a fucking cherry![/quote]

Having an opinion is one thing, and if you don’t agree with it fine. I don’t know why people need to resort to vulgarity in any form. I’m sure your more creative than that. Matter of fact, I know you are because I’ve seen your posts here. We can differ on opinion, but I don’t remember EVER disrespecting anyone. Quote me if I have and I will apologize with integrity.

[quote]dankid wrote:
believe it or not, our bodies have evolved to eat REAL food. And guess what, they had food back then. Maybe this fact illustrates the likelyhood that supplements are a waste of money.[/quote]

Ditto…food first!

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Yoga- do you take any supplements? fish oil? multis? creatine? protein? just curious[/quote]

I’ve used a multi in the past and felt no difference. It was the best that money could buy, food based and all. After that I decided to spend my money on whole foods and that seems to work well for ME.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I regret clicking on every damn thread this guy posts in.

Whats your deal guy? You do realize, gram for gram, most protein powder (at least if you know where to look) is much cheaper than the protein in food. So whats your arguement there? You talk about wasting money and deceptive marketing etc etc etc.

How am I wasting money as a college student because I can get equal protein for less money by drinking shakes instead of buying meat?

Sounds like I’m saving money, pal.[/quote]

I guess I need to be REAL literal here. I’m speaking of the supps like no explode, vanadyl sulfate,okg, etc. The ones marketed particularly at bb’s. By the way, do what you want. You need not prove anything to me. An easy way to end your regret for clicking my posts, would be uh, DON’T.

[quote]kinein wrote:
I view supplements as an alternative. Real food wins [/quote]

Smart guy.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:

Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.

But that marketing isn’t much different than the same crap like HottStuff, smilax and boron that used to fill GNC shelves when I was in high school.

Teenagers will always read ads and think, “that sounds great! I bet I’ll finally get 20” arms if I buy TWO!". More advanced lifters will be more likely to either ignore nearly every ad they see or laugh at the claims.

That has more to do with being inexperienced and just old enough to drive than so much deception.

That ab lounge probably won’t be the answer to the woes of fat people either…but most of us know this already.

The new Wii fitness gadget is another.

I mean, I can see speaking out about specific supplements that are truly crap, but you seem to act as if ALL supplements are useless and should be avoided. This is ridiculous.

Have you considered the possibility that you might make MORE progress yourself if you actually tried some of those supplements you hate so much?

What, protein and creatine will kill you?[/quote]

Not that worried about them killing me. Just not for me that’s all. Nothing personal. I do know where I need to invest some money though.

[quote]dankid wrote:
believe it or not, our bodies have evolved to eat REAL food. And guess what, they had food back then. Maybe this fact illustrates the likelyhood that supplements are a waste of money.[/quote]

how do you make this food,do you own a microwave maybe a blender,toaster?

how about a fridge and freezer,maybe your home has ac or a heater.
hell you are responding to this on a Computer
all things that were not around since the dawn of man.

these are not Needs they are conviences

its about making life a little bit eaiser to live
they had it harder back then and I am personaly thankful we have all that we do now

on the same note I own a 250 dollar pair of work boots
some people say thats a waste of money why not go get a 35 dollar pair at the big box store

I dont see it as such because they have saved my feet and my back and I get good use out of them
same with sups if you get good use out of them then its not a waste.
to each their own

[quote]toddthebod wrote:
You know, this guy looks like he’s got a better physique than Mr. Barad. And he uses plenty of supplements. Ergo, by your logic, supplements are absolutely necessary to achieve a physique like this.

Since a sample size of one individual is sufficient to extrapolate to the entire population of humankind throughout all of history, that is.

For every photo you produce of someone who achieved a decent physique without supplements, I can produce two of people who achieved better physiques using supplements.[/quote]

When I get a minute I’ll post a recent pic and back up my talk. Working 3rd’s now, but I get one up soon.

[quote]dankid wrote:
believe it or not, our bodies have evolved to eat REAL food. And guess what, they had food back then. Maybe this fact illustrates the likelyhood that supplements are a waste of money.[/quote]

Yes, technology and advancements in nutritional supplements that now make it actually delicious to get down several hundred grams of protein in one drink (more than are found in one steak) should be avoided. I think we should also ban cars, tvs, antibiotics and quality toilet paper.

Have you considered that those same men might have made even more progress if they had even half of the conveniences we have today?

I have never had a single supplement that worked better than the same ammount of money spent on fast food.

Actually I take that back, the sheer quantity I get of protein powder is hard to beat. But still 4 double cheese burgers > 200 grams of whey in a shake.

Ever heard the story about Steeve Reeves and the weider magazines? The guy was the perfect marketing tool and was allegedly on light anabolics, then put in the mags to sell supps. And, of course - it never stopped because that’s what the magazines are for.

I remember being at university and hearing two skinny guys saying, ‘yeh well if I had the money, I’d just take 5 scoops of whey a day and you get massive’. That’s the only problem with supplements, kids think they are magic bullets. No - lift heavy shit and get and you’ll be half way there! Without real guidance, the magazines are a seductive marketing tool - and yes, I fell fot it myself when I was younger.

I’m all for supplements, but 50% of people using them are relying on them rather than ‘supplementing them’ into their plans.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, creatine is produced by the body and found in meat (especially red meat), so yes, they had access to creatine.

I’m really tired of your dig against supplements all the time. Yes, too many people equate any gains with supp X, or bash supp Y for no gains.

But, a level headed person can utilize supplements to their benefit.

don’t be so narrow minded to push your agenda[/quote]

What agenda would that be, oh yeah I forgot to mention I work for an anti-supplement company. What are you on about.
I’m not narrow minded. I’ve tried many supp.s and the conclusion I’ve drawn is that while there not essential, yes they do have their place in a well rounded program.

[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Steve Reeves (of that same era) was pretty outspoken in his advocacy of B-12 injections for physique and strength gains.

Ever heard the story about Steeve Reeves and the weider magazines? The guy was the perfect marketing tool and was allegedly on light anabolics, then put in the mags to sell supps. And, of course - it never stopped because that’s what the magazines are for.

I remember being at university and hearing two skinny guys saying, ‘yeh well if I had the money, I’d just take 5 scoops of whey a day and you get massive’. That’s the only problem with supplements, kids think they are magic bullets. No - lift heavy shit and get and you’ll be half way there! Without real guidance, the magazines are a seductive marketing tool - and yes, I fell fot it myself when I was younger.

I’m all for supplements, but 50% of people using them are relying on them rather than ‘supplementing them’ into their plans.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Wow, you are great contribution to this community, yogaroots.

Keep up the good work!

How old is homeboy in the picture?

How long has he been training?

What would his strength and size levels be IF :

-he had access to quality protein and calorie shakes, whenever he needed them?

-he had optimal peri-workout nutrition?

-he had access to large amounts of creatine?

-he obtained enough n-3 fatty acids (How’s his joints? What’s his cardiovascular health/ risk factors for cardiovascular events? Level of inflammation?)

Why are you even citing ONE PERSON in a snapshot of time and implying that his results could not have been EVER BETTER THAN THEY WERE AT THE TIME, if they had access to the nutritional interventions we have now?

Hell, even the categories I mentioned are all handled by concentrated NUTRITIONAL supplements. Noone (aside from the makers of Endothil-CR) is claiming that green tomato extract is the secret to getting huge and ripped, in spite of all of one’s nutrition and training shortcomings.

I don’t see why you’re coming to a website, sponsored by a quality supplement company, and starting an anti-supplement crusade. This isn’t bodybuilding.com.

If you see a poster blatantly taking too many
supplements when money could be better spent on food, then help that person out.

But do you really think you’re doing everyone some great service by starting new condescending threads like this?[/quote]

This is the kind of thing I’m speaking of. This guy admits to being in deceptive ads. Read the article.

From the June 9th New York Times:

A Self-Described Steroid User Loses Job as Fitness Model
By STEPHANIE CLIFFORD
Published: June 9, 2008

With the camera rolling, Christian Boeving, a fitness model who is paid to endorse bodybuilding products, freely admitted he had used steroids since he was 16.

That was two years ago, when a friend from the gym he uses, Christopher Bell, was filming �??Bigger, Stronger, Faster,�?? a documentary on steroids that was released on May 30.

Mr. Boeving said he had nearly forgotten about the interview until he heard from the film�??s representatives just before it was shown in January at the Sundance Film Festival. �??They said, �??Look, we�??re just letting you know you mentioned the word steroids in it,�?? �?? Mr. Boeving said. �??But I didn�??t think I would get into that much trouble, because I thought it was pretty apparent that the top people in the industry use steroids to look like we do.�??

A company whose products he endorsed, Iovate Health Sciences, apparently did not think so, and promptly severed Mr. Boeving�??s contract. Iovate Health Sciences did not return calls for comment last week.

Mr. Boeving had represented over-the-counter dietary supplements. But the type of performance-enhancing steroids Mr. Boeving referred to in the movie are legal only with a doctor�??s prescription; he said in an interview that he had a prescription for testosterone.

While he may not been breaking the law, Mr. Boeving was apparently breaking a taboo in the bodybuilding world, one that Mr. Bell�??s documentary was aiming to expose. �??Ever since I was a kid, I�??ve been looking at muscle magazines,�?? Mr. Bell said in an interview. �??I would see these guys that are huge, and they�??d say, take this pill and you�??ll look like this. We know that�??s not the case.�??

Mr. Boeving said he had worked with Iovate for nearly nine years and was in the midst of renegotiating his contract when �??Bigger, Stronger, Faster�?? had its premiere at the Sundance Film Festival in January. Mr. Boeving said that after the premiere, he was suspended without pay; he flew to the Iovate headquarters in Ontario to plead his case, but, he said, the company has not renewed his contract.

Mr. Boeving said he was not allowed to say how much the contract was worth, but said the company�??s contracts for athletes typically ranged from $36,000 to $300,000 a year. �??I was able to live off my contract, put it that way,�?? he said.

Though the loss of income is tough, Mr. Boeving said, he does not regret his on-screen candor.

�??Even in the film, I said, �??look, I do take the products I said I take �?? I do take fat burners, I do take protein, but I take other things as well,�?? �?? he said. �??They felt like people were going to walk away feeling like steroids, not supplements, made my physique what it is, and they have built this industry on telling people, �??This is what I did to build my physique,�?? �?? Mr. Boeving said.