I’m new to T-Nation and came upon it while doing some research on Steroid cycles. I have been reading non-stop for the past 4 hrs. My question is: How many of you are currently on the juice or in between cycles? I am currently living in Mexico building homes and pounding the weights 5 days a week. Anabolics are next door to me… so they are easily obtained at very low prices.
I am currently on my second cycle of Equipoise and test 200 depo and making outstanding gains. I was just curious to whether a majority here in this forum were juicing or Natural as we speak. Just curious about other members on board… Thanks
Most are juicers. Say one thing bad about juicing and you’ll be flamed to death by morons. I personally find those who stay natural much more admirable, because (yes, even with steroids it takes hard work) it takes even more hard work to attain that “perfect physique” than comparative to a juicer.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I wonder why you didn’t post in the steroid forum as it seems more apporopiate for that arena.[/quote]
I felt it would generate a better discussion here in the Building A Better Body forum, which generally has more regular readers/posters than the Steroids forum.
I felt it would generate a better discussion here in the Building A Better Body forum, which generally has more regular readers/posters than the Steroids forum.[/quote]
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Most are juicers. Say one thing bad about juicing and you’ll be flamed to death by morons. I personally find those who stay natural much more admirable, because (yes, even with steroids it takes hard work) it takes even more hard work to attain that “perfect physique” than comparative to a juicer.
Juicers still look good.[/quote]
there is nothing wrong with steroids in its self even with steroids people are small as shit I can see why it would be annoying when you write off some ones years of hard work and dieting as “steroids”
The only time I have ever seen some one flamed for putting down steroids was a guy who said
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I wonder why you didn’t post in the steroid forum as it seems more apporopiate for that arena.
Anyhow, from my reading on here I would venture to guess there are more natural lifters, than juiced lifters.
I have read gear from Mexico can be dubious.
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It all depends on where in Mexico you get it. I am in San Miguel de Allende where most of the Whities are retired. Nobody buys the stuff down here unless your dog needs a shot of test. For sure the good stuff! Also, You don’t make the gains I have on veg oil. I do agree there is alot of fake viles floating around the border town though.
Why does it matter? Does my experience, or knowledge count for less if I’m natural or a juicer? Am I less significant of a man, or an athlete, or a professional, if I am one or the other?
I fail to see why it even matters? You need a question answered, ask it. Myself and the rest of T-Nation will help you get an answer. Wanna network with other lifters? This is the place. Who juices and who doesn’t should not even be a concern.
My guess is that T-Nation is 75% natural / 25% juicer / ex juicer. Just my opinion.
BUT IT SHOULDN’T MATTER. Neither should which side I am on.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Why does it matter? Does my experience, or knowledge count for less if I’m natural or a juicer? Am I less significant of a man, or an athlete, or a professional, if I am one or the other?
I fail to see why it even matters? You need a question answered, ask it. Myself and the rest of T-Nation will help you get an answer. Wanna network with other lifters? This is the place. Who juices and who doesn’t should not even be a concern.
My guess is that T-Nation is 75% natural / 25% juicer / ex juicer. Just my opinion.
BUT IT SHOULDN’T MATTER. Neither should which side I am on.[/quote]
I would say it depends on your age and where you are in life. Thats just my opinion. If you’re young I don’t think its a good idea and if you’re looking to have children I don’t think its a good idea. I’ve met too many guys who have been trying to have kids unsuccessfully because of juice.
[quote]cardinal25 wrote:
I would say it depends on your age and where you are in life. Thats just my opinion. If you’re young I don’t think its a good idea and if you’re looking to have children I don’t think its a good idea. I’ve met too many guys who have been trying to have kids unsuccessfully because of juice.[/quote]
I’m not juicing and never will. I might go as far as t-boosters and something like Anabolic Pump, but those are play-things compared to juice. I just can’t justify it and since I don’t have all of the information, the money, or the true desire to juice: I won’t.
I always remember what my dad said to me…“do the right thing, even when nobody is looking.”
That’s an old one but definitely something good to live by.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Most are juicers. Say one thing bad about juicing and you’ll be flamed to death by morons. I personally find those who stay natural much more admirable, because (yes, even with steroids it takes hard work) it takes even more hard work to attain that “perfect physique” than comparative to a juicer.
Juicers still look good.[/quote]
I’d say that not even close to “most” of the guys here are using steroids. It’s just that more people here aren’t as ignorant about them as the rest of the US is.
Just because some guys here defend their use, doesn’t mean they’re on.
I have my own reasons for not using them right now, but that doesn’t mean I never will.
TrainerinDC,
While I appreciate your stance on the subject and willingness to help out someone new, I must say that I disagree with some of your statements.
I believe it does matter whether or not a lifter is “enhanced”. No, it does NOT make him any more, or less, of a man or lifter, but it definitely affects the way he can/does train and eat.
As a lifetime natural lifter and bodybuilder, I’ve discovered that I have a wealth of knowledge for someone who chooses the same path. On the other hand, I’ve also discovered that I struggle to be of assistance to someone who chooses to utilize enhancement.
Sure, there are universal things to be learned in both arenas, but I believe the training and nutrition differences are pretty dog-gone substantial.
Just my two cents . . for what it’s worth!
C-dog
I haven’t found any difference in advice given by juiced people as opposed to natural ones. In fact, naturals (not on this forum, but I’ve seen it on italians) are more likely to preach the the less you train the more you gain approach.
I doubt seriously if more than 10-15% of the regulars here are enhanced from what I can surmise from general observation and certainly not the overall membership.
If you were to create a separate group of those who are truly serious that number may climb a bit.
I have nothing to base this on other than calculated hunches and could be off by a bit, but I don’t think too much.
Personally I have nothing against steroids or their use. I have never nor do I believe I will ever use them myself, but they’re here to stay and are just an inevitable reality.
I also think the health risks are overstated by the media when they’re used intelligently which is admittedly not often enough.
I also believe all the efforts to expunge them from organized sports, even the olympics is futile and hypocritical. There will without a doubt be those who will vehemently disagree with every word I just said.