Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
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The basic supp.s(protein, creatine, multi-vit)aren’t an absolute, but are far more convenient than the altenative, which is eating dozens of eggs, milk, lean meat, fish.
They got where to that stage by eating good clean food, and lifting heavy shit, which one can do without supplements but only with the right dedication and drive.
Plus NO-XPLODE ain’t going to get you a body like that. It may give you a nice buzz for the first couple of weeks, but you’ll soon realise it’s just extremely marked-up caffeine.
Well, creatine is produced by the body and found in meat (especially red meat), so yes, they had access to creatine.
I’m really tired of your dig against supplements all the time. Yes, too many people equate any gains with supp X, or bash supp Y for no gains.
But, a level headed person can utilize supplements to their benefit.
don’t be so narrow minded to push your agenda
It’s called eating.
It’s called lifting.
It’s called dedication.
Add them together and voila.
[quote]Short Hoss wrote:
It’s called eating.
It’s called lifting.
It’s called dedication.
Add them together and voila.[/quote]
And no internet for people to overanalyze things on.
[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
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If they would have had access to it, they would have used them. You seem to spend quite a bit of time getting caught up in ranting against supplements and steroid use. Is there a reason for that?
Once you get past a certain size, it gets much harder to get everything you need from food alone if the goal is even more progress. Most beginners shouldn’t have this problem at all and should focus more on food sources than GNC.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Short Hoss wrote:
It’s called eating.
It’s called lifting.
It’s called dedication.
Add them together and voila.
And no internet for people to overanalyze things on. [/quote]
For all of the information it provides, people in general seem more lost than ever.
I have a feeling that speaks more about how well we think as a species and how lazy we are.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
If they would have had access to it, they would have used them. You seem to spend quite a bit of time getting caught up in ranting against supplements and steroid use. Is there a reason for that?
Once you get past a certain size, it gets much harder to get everything you need from food alone if the goal is even more progress. Most beginners shouldn’t have this problem at all and should focus more on food sources than GNC.[/quote]
Thank you professor. I believe in free will and if you don’t want to use supplements by all means don’t do it. But, yoga roots seems hell bent on crusading against them or convincing himself he’s not missing out on something by not using them.
It is universally agreed by anyone with a grain of knowledge in this game that it starts with plain old nutritious food and good hard training. After that do what you feel works for you.
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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
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“Back then”, there was protein powder, liver tablets, brewer’s yeast, and folks certainly used them.
To get a serious appreciation of bodies built by weights and food, turn back the clock another few decades, to the turn of the century. Early 1900’s. Saxon, Hackenschmidt, Pandour. Guys of that era got absurdly strong and/or large by lifting heavy weights and eating food, that’s it.
If that guy (pic in the 1st post)put his pic up for critique, most comments would be (in one form or another):
You need to cut,
Not bad but you need to eat
You need to gain size on your legs.
Most people (in REAL LIFE) would be very happy with his physique.
[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
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People have always used things they thought would help accomplish their goals faster, this goes all the way back to the first organized sporting event. Most of the time they probably didn’t but th placebo effect can be marvelous.
Steve Reeves (of that same era) was pretty outspoken in his advocacy of B-12 injections for physique and strength gains.
I can, however, see how you would be bitter about supps if you used things like No-Explode and found shock it was a rip off.
[quote]gone heavy wrote:
I can, however, see how you would be bitter about supps if you used things like No-Explode and found shock it was a rip off.[/quote]
exactly.
[quote]Old Dax wrote:
If that guy (pic in the 1st post)put his pic up for critique, most comments would be (in one form or another):
You need to cut,
Not bad but you need to eat
You need to gain size on your legs.
Most people (in REAL LIFE) would be very happy with his physique.[/quote]
And a majority of those comments from guys who are smaller and nowhere in that sort of shape.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, creatine is produced by the body and found in meat (especially red meat), so yes, they had access to creatine.
I’m really tired of your dig against supplements all the time. Yes, too many people equate any gains with supp X, or bash supp Y for no gains.
But, a level headed person can utilize supplements to their benefit.
don’t be so narrow minded to push your agenda[/quote]
No dig against supplements…only against deceptive marketing.
[quote]gone heavy wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
People have always used things they thought would help accomplish their goals faster, this goes all the way back to the first organized sporting event. Most of the time they probably didn’t but th placebo effect can be marvelous.
Steve Reeves (of that same era) was pretty outspoken in his advocacy of B-12 injections for physique and strength gains.
I can, however, see how you would be bitter about supps if you used things like No-Explode and found shock it was a rip off.[/quote]
Never used it. Again, my stance is more against the deceptive marketing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
If they would have had access to it, they would have used them. You seem to spend quite a bit of time getting caught up in ranting against supplements and steroid use. Is there a reason for that?
Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.
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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, creatine is produced by the body and found in meat (especially red meat), so yes, they had access to creatine.
I’m really tired of your dig against supplements all the time.
Sorry to hear that.
Yes, too many people equate any gains with supp X, or bash supp Y for no gains.
Those are the ONLY people I’m speaking about/too. If you’re not in that group, you need not reply.
But, a level headed person can utilize supplements to their benefit.
Most people aren’t. That’s apparent.
don’t be so narrow minded to push your agenda.
We all have agendas that we push.
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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.
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But that marketing isn’t much different than the same crap like HottStuff, smilax and boron that used to fill GNC shelves when I was in high school.
Teenagers will always read ads and think, “that sounds great! I bet I’ll finally get 20” arms if I buy TWO!". More advanced lifters will be more likely to either ignore nearly every ad they see or laugh at the claims.
That has more to do with being inexperienced and just old enough to drive than so much deception.
That ab lounge probably won’t be the answer to the woes of fat people either…but most of us know this already.
The new Wii fitness gadget is another.
I mean, I can see speaking out about specific supplements that are truly crap, but you seem to act as if ALL supplements are useless and should be avoided. This is ridiculous.
Have you considered the possibility that you might make MORE progress yourself if you actually tried some of those supplements you hate so much?
What, protein and creatine will kill you?
Wow, you are great contribution to this community, yogaroots.
Keep up the good work!
How old is homeboy in the picture?
How long has he been training?
What would his strength and size levels be IF :
-he had access to quality protein and calorie shakes, whenever he needed them?
-he had optimal peri-workout nutrition?
-he had access to large amounts of creatine?
-he obtained enough n-3 fatty acids (How’s his joints? What’s his cardiovascular health/ risk factors for cardiovascular events? Level of inflammation?)
Why are you even citing ONE PERSON in a snapshot of time and implying that his results could not have been EVER BETTER THAN THEY WERE AT THE TIME, if they had access to the nutritional interventions we have now?
Hell, even the categories I mentioned are all handled by concentrated NUTRITIONAL supplements. Noone (aside from the makers of Endothil-CR) is claiming that green tomato extract is the secret to getting huge and ripped, in spite of all of one’s nutrition and training shortcomings.
I don’t see why you’re coming to a website, sponsored by a quality supplement company, and starting an anti-supplement crusade. This isn’t bodybuilding.com.
If you see a poster blatantly taking too many
supplements when money could be better spent on food, then help that person out.
But do you really think you’re doing everyone some great service by starting new condescending threads like this?
You know, this guy looks like he’s got a better physique than Mr. Barad. And he uses plenty of supplements. Ergo, by your logic, supplements are absolutely necessary to achieve a physique like this.
Since a sample size of one individual is sufficient to extrapolate to the entire population of humankind throughout all of history, that is.
For every photo you produce of someone who achieved a decent physique without supplements, I can produce two of people who achieved better physiques using supplements.