How'd They Do It Before Supps?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]toddthebod wrote:
You know, this guy looks like he’s got a better physique than Mr. Barad. And he uses plenty of supplements. Ergo, by your logic, supplements are absolutely necessary to achieve a physique like this.

Since a sample size of one individual is sufficient to extrapolate to the entire population of humankind throughout all of history, that is.

For every photo you produce of someone who achieved a decent physique without supplements, I can produce two of people who achieved better physiques using supplements.[/quote]

Fact is you CAN achieve a great body without supplements-greater or the same to people with supplements comes down more to genetics and work ethic-, though almost anyone who wants to get the BEST results will use everything he can sometimes even illegal stuff if they are desperate to maximize there body to the greatest potential it can be.

I have respect for people who are willing to do everything in their power to push there body to the maximum.

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.
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Is there really such a big difference between the deception of someone claiming a product will work and someone claiming that they added 80lbs to their bench press in 3 months, due to nothing else but adding push ups to their off days, and then have the balls to start a thread titled “Liar Liar”?

It is still deception and people are still mislead. I think it is probably pretty evident that you are full of shit to most of the more experienced guys with all the back pedaling you do, but I wonder how many of the younger guys time will end up being wasted because they think you have a clue?

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[quote]Old Dax wrote:
If that guy (pic in the 1st post)put his pic up for critique, most comments would be (in one form or another):
You need to cut,
Not bad but you need to eat
You need to gain size on your legs.
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False. You can look at the RMP forum right now and see a couple big guys who have obviously put in the work getting nothing but compliments.

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All the the people that are biggest and the strongest are not online arguing over whether supplementation is needed or not.

I see lightbulbs switching on.

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I liken supplements to Prof X stating that why should someone avoid isolation exercises.

If you avoid supplements you limit your gains, same goes for isolation work.

Comes down to how much and how fast you want to progress

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[quote]Short Hoss wrote:
All the the people that are biggest and the strongest are not online arguing over whether supplementation is needed or not.

I see lightbulbs switching on.[/quote]

I see statements like this all the time and they really don’t make sense. Am I supposed to leave work and hit the gym?

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder
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Lifting weights. Lifting a fork.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Short Hoss wrote:
All the the people that are biggest and the strongest are not online arguing over whether supplementation is needed or not.

I see lightbulbs switching on.

I see statements like this all the time and they really don’t make sense. Am I supposed to leave work and hit the gym?[/quote]

LOL!!!

It is no different than those who seem perplexed that some of us can log on throughout the day. I don’t know about anyone else, but my lap top is with me at all times (for the most part) and I have wireless internet. Just because some of us post here a lot, it doesn’t mean we can’t take care of business in the gym and in our own lives.

I heard there are some people who can actually do two things at once.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:

Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.

But that marketing isn’t much different than the same crap like HottStuff, smilax and boron that used to fill GNC shelves when I was in high school.

Teenagers will always read ads and think, “that sounds great! I bet I’ll finally get 20” arms if I buy TWO!". More advanced lifters will be more likely to either ignore nearly every ad they see or laugh at the claims.

That has more to do with being inexperienced and just old enough to drive than so much deception.

That ab lounge probably won’t be the answer to the woes of fat people either…but most of us know this already.

The new Wii fitness gadget is another.

I mean, I can see speaking out about specific supplements that are truly crap, but you seem to act as if ALL supplements are useless and should be avoided. This is ridiculous.

Have you considered the possibility that you might make MORE progress yourself if you actually tried some of those supplements you hate so much?

What, protein and creatine will kill you?[/quote]

Some of them may help me, but truthfully these products are NOT regulated by anybody. One thing I will say. Gear may be safer than some of the garbage these companies are pushing. Why- because it’s been studied and tested.

You’ll be surprised to hear this come from me, but as far as my eyes can see vitamin S is the only supp that appears to work. Not plugging it, but just calling it like I see it.

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[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.

Is there really such a big difference between the deception of someone claiming a product will work and someone claiming that they added 80lbs to their bench press in 3 months, due to nothing else but adding push ups to their off days, and then have the balls to start a thread titled “Liar Liar”?

It is still deception and people are still mislead. I think it is probably pretty evident that you are full of shit to most of the more experienced guys with all the back pedaling you do, but I wonder how many of the younger guys time will end up being wasted because they think you have a clue?

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Keep spending.

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[quote]toddthebod wrote:
You know, this guy looks like he’s got a better physique than Mr. Barad. And he uses plenty of supplements. Ergo, by your logic, supplements are absolutely necessary to achieve a physique like this.

Since a sample size of one individual is sufficient to extrapolate to the entire population of humankind throughout all of history, that is.

For every photo you produce of someone who achieved a decent physique without supplements, I can produce two of people who achieved better physiques using supplements.[/quote]

he should be endorsing supps then, oh wait, he does.

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:

Some of them may help me, but truthfully these products are NOT regulated by anybody. One thing I will say. Gear may be safer than some of the garbage these companies are pushing. Why- because it’s been studied and tested.

You’ll be surprised to hear this come from me, but as far as my eyes can see vitamin S is the only supp that appears to work. Not plugging it, but just calling it like I see it.
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Protein “works” just fine. Thermogenics and stimulants “work” also. I doubt most advanced trainers are worried about much else aside from creatine.

I also don’t need my protein powder regulated any more than it is now. That is simply asking for a huge hike on prices making them completely unaffordable to most people.

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Man am I glad yogaroots (what kind of name is that anyway?) isn’t in charge of the automotive industry. We’d still be driving horse carts with steam engines bolted on.

Where else in the world does that minimalist “philosophy” exist succesfully?

If you want to purposely curtail your gains in the gym, go ahead. But let the rest of us that like to get the most from our hard work do it in peace.

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I view supplements as an alternative. Real food wins but I don’t have the time and resources to devote myself to real food constantly. Besides I do get tired of chewing food. Besides my tupperware is out of fashion… tehehe.

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I regret clicking on every damn thread this guy posts in.

Whats your deal guy? You do realize, gram for gram, most protein powder (at least if you know where to look) is much cheaper than the protein in food. So whats your arguement there? You talk about wasting money and deceptive marketing etc etc etc.

How am I wasting money as a college student because I can get equal protein for less money by drinking shakes instead of buying meat?

Sounds like I’m saving money, pal.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Short Hoss wrote:
All the the people that are biggest and the strongest are not online arguing over whether supplementation is needed or not.

I see lightbulbs switching on.

I see statements like this all the time and they really don’t make sense. Am I supposed to leave work and hit the gym?[/quote]

No, I’m here all the time as well. I just think the noobs don’t need to spend time arguing over the use of supplements, time that can be spent lifting.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Seems like most bb’s these days seem to think supps are an absolute. Here’s a pic of Bill Barad from the 40’s. Was there creatine, noexplode, etc then? I wonder

If they would have had access to it, they would have used them. You seem to spend quite a bit of time getting caught up in ranting against supplements and steroid use. Is there a reason for that?

Once you get past a certain size, it gets much harder to get everything you need from food alone if the goal is even more progress. Most beginners shouldn’t have this problem at all and should focus more on food sources than GNC.[/quote]

speaking of steroids,
do anybody here realise that testosterone was discovered in the late 1800s

and also people have been using synthetic test since the 1930s?

so its not hard to see that alot of BBers in the 30s-50s were on steroids

there was not a single moment in time when man did not use some sort or supplement or drug to help then achive what they wanted in life.
I know from native american tradition handed down that they used different herbs and ate the livers and hearts of some animals for strength boosts.

even dogs instinctevly eat grass to help sooth an upset stomach do they not?

look do what you want to do with your own body.
but of people want to use drugs or sups or hell eat smoked horse crap,leave them to do with thiers what they will without trying to go on some keep it natural crusade.

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:

Yeh there is. If I see people getting exploited I speak out. It’s obvious the deceptive marketing has worked very well. What a shame. Just trying to save people some money that’s all.

But that marketing isn’t much different than the same crap like HottStuff, smilax and boron that used to fill GNC shelves when I was in high school.

Teenagers will always read ads and think, “that sounds great! I bet I’ll finally get 20” arms if I buy TWO!". More advanced lifters will be more likely to either ignore nearly every ad they see or laugh at the claims.

That has more to do with being inexperienced and just old enough to drive than so much deception.

That ab lounge probably won’t be the answer to the woes of fat people either…but most of us know this already.

The new Wii fitness gadget is another.

I mean, I can see speaking out about specific supplements that are truly crap, but you seem to act as if ALL supplements are useless and should be avoided. This is ridiculous.

Have you considered the possibility that you might make MORE progress yourself if you actually tried some of those supplements you hate so much?

What, protein and creatine will kill you?

Some of them may help me, but truthfully these products are NOT regulated by anybody. One thing I will say. Gear may be safer than some of the garbage these companies are pushing. Why- because it’s been studied and tested.

You’ll be surprised to hear this come from me, but as far as my eyes can see vitamin S is the only supp that appears to work. Not plugging it, but just calling it like I see it.

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Here we go again. Do we need to go into hhow much havoc is peaped by highly regulated drugs? I trust almost anybody over the FDA to tell me what supplements are what.

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The FDA is easily one of the most vile and corrupt entities known to man. Based on the ongoing track record, you would be better off fending for yourself and doing your own research for health because trusting most conventional doctor’s advice and prescriptions will get you nothing but heartaches and ill health.

Look no further than Tim Russert as a perfect example of what a combination of being overweight, overstressed, and overmedicated in tandem with an incompetent doctor can do for ya. Preventive medicine is where its at and unfortunately most conventionalists have their ego’s so far up their ass they cant see properly or dont even have the open mind necessary to look into other options that could of easily solved his problems.

A drug-based health paradigm is guarenteed to fail by its inherent nature. And the abysmal health and growing chronic nature of preventable diseases due to poor lifestyle choices is proof enough.

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Yoga- do you take any supplements? fish oil? multis? creatine? protein? just curious