maybe he did it…oops.
The proper response is to either direct the individual to counseling, call the police if things escalate like they did on that other forum, or simply DON’T RESPOND if you don’t have anything to say but self righteous crap making fun of the situation.
If the OP is a troll, so be it. Suicide itself is serious enough.
Turning this thread into a parody makes no sense.
3 full pages of shit.
I just read the OP’s post and no one elses responses, so I apologize if I am rehashing anything.
#1 I hope your not a troll, because if you are you are trivializing and simply making fun of something that is extremely serious and life destroying for all involved. It has touched me and I take total umbrage and offense on how “funny” you think you are.
#2 If you arent, dont listen to people who say to man up, or some other bullshit, or there are so many other people who have bigger problems than you. The fact is depression and all the other mental and emotional illnesses out there are uncontrollable, and it doesent matter if you are a trust fund baby or an orphan.
#3 I have battled mental and emotional illnesses all my life, espescially during HS and College, I made it and know you can too, pm for any help.
#4 Again if you are a troll, I still wouldnt wish any type of harm on you like this because it is truly horrible and debilitating.
#5 Suicide is truly selfish, you wont be suffering but the ones that love you will for the rest of their life. There is a better way
MXL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The proper response is to either direct the individual to counseling, call the police if things escalate like they did on that other forum, or simply DON’T RESPOND if you don’t have anything to say but self righteous crap making fun of the situation.
If the OP is a troll, so be it. Suicide itself is serious enough.
Turning this thread into a parody makes no sense.
3 full pages of shit.[/quote]
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1-800-273-8255
Real trained aid would definitely suit you in this situation. I’ve used it a few times as well as volunteered for the service. It seems like you could benefit from some human interaction with a nonjudgmental stance.
1-800-784-2433, if that number doesnt get you to the right service which it should.
seek therapy, please.
I think it’s funny how almost everyone here writes " if this is a troll then fuck youzzz, obviously a troll,troll" blah blah blah. Are people really that selfish and have such low self esteem that they care if some random dude is playing a “trick” on them and therefore see the need to start with lines that make them look like total sheep? All “tough” and defensive LOL.
If you’re going to take the time to write something on a serious matter such suicide then at least do so with a response that helps. It shouldn’t matter if the OP is a troll or not.
take up fighting. nothing feels better than beating up someone or learning more
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The proper response is to either direct the individual to counseling, call the police if things escalate like they did on that other forum, or simply DON’T RESPOND if you don’t have anything to say but self righteous crap making fun of the situation.
If the OP is a troll, so be it. Suicide itself is serious enough.
Turning this thread into a parody makes no sense.
3 full pages of shit.[/quote]
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
I think it’s funny how almost everyone here writes " if this is a troll then fuck youzzz, obviously a troll,troll" blah blah blah. Are people really that selfish and have such low self esteem that they care if some random dude is playing a “trick” on them and therefore see the need to start with lines that make them look like total sheep? All “tough” and defensive LOL.
If you’re going to take the time to write something on a serious matter such suicide then at least do so with a response that helps. It shouldn’t matter if the OP is a troll or not.[/quote]
Both of these.
This thread just shows the true nature of people. Many seem to care more about getting “trolled” on the anonymous internet rather than a matter of life and death.
Don’t kill yourself,it’s selfish.If you’re a loser where you are now then move abroad.Reinvent yourself as a cool person if you have to,loads of people do it and it works.You don’t have to accept your life as it is.You can live anywhere in the world,you can definately find somewhere where you can enjoy getting out of bed in the morning.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The proper response is to either direct the individual to counseling, call the police if things escalate like they did on that other forum, or simply DON’T RESPOND if you don’t have anything to say but self righteous crap making fun of the situation.
If the OP is a troll, so be it. Suicide itself is serious enough.
Turning this thread into a parody makes no sense.
3 full pages of shit.[/quote]
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People don’t realize that sometimes a poster can be serious. If you’re still reading OP, get some help - there is not point in ending your life over these trivial things.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The proper response is to either direct the individual to counseling, call the police if things escalate like they did on that other forum, or simply DON’T RESPOND if you don’t have anything to say but self righteous crap making fun of the situation.
If the OP is a troll, so be it. Suicide itself is serious enough.
Turning this thread into a parody makes no sense.
3 full pages of shit.[/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly!
And if this OP is true, saying shit like, “Man up!”, “This is what bodybuilding is like…”, and, “You’re a wimp!” will not do any good for him.
Sorry, serious issues like suicidal ideation and clinical depression don’t warrant put-downs or advice on nutrition and exercise. If this person isn’t a troll, he should seek psychological counseling and psychiatric medical therapy immediately!
To the OP if you are having suicidal ideations i recommend going over to your local ER if the phone numbers or a psychiatrist isnt doing it for you. When there you will receive a psych exam which can help determine what is wrong with you and if they feel the need they can get you into a facility that can help you the way you need it. I see it every day with work and people really do go in there and come out with the proper outlook on life, sometimes you just need that one extra thing that will get you back on track.
I told him man up because that’s the type of advice that helps me when I’m feeling down. Either me or somebody close to me will tell me to man the fuck up and suck it the fuck up. That kick in the ass helps me. In no way was that me being condescending.
I once felt the exact same way you felt. That first post of yours ? I’ve lived it WORD FOR WORD. I suffered for a long time. I eventually sought help, and things eventually got better. Life’s still tough, as it is for every other single fucking human being alive, not just you.
You sound like you’re in pretty deep ( I know, I’ve been there), and my sincerest recommendation to you is to go find a therapist and talk to that person. I know they can be expensive, and often times universities and schools will offer unlicensed therapists who need to complete enough hours of patient sessions before they can get licensed. These are much cheaper and are often times free. But I suspect money is not the issue right now.
Listen brother, body building is not the solution to all your problems (although I highly, highly, highly encourage vigorous exercise). The external is far less important than the work you need to do internally. That does sound like some corny psycho-babble doesn’t it? Its true though.
You are working against yourself, instead of accepting yourself.
I think you are probably 19-20 right now, and I wish I sought help that early on in life, before I turned to all the other self-destructive garbage.
You are dealing with some pretty serious shit, and it’s hard to address it all in one post, but I IMPLORE YOU to do two things.
- Google search and find some help dude. Do it. You have no choice. DO IT. You can’t solve this on your own.
- Make an appointment, and show the fuck up. Don’t talk yourself out of it. Don’t call yourself a pussy for doing it. Don’t think less of yourself. Don’t do any of that self loathing GARBAGE. Make the appointment, and show the fuck up. Go from there.
PM me if you need anymore details/need to talk. Ultimately YOU GOTTA DO THE WORK. We can’t do it for you.
The herbal supplement makeing you feel good for just one week means it was a placebo effect. Placebo effects take place in your mind none of those dumbass herbs work. This is good. It shows that you can totally by your own will power feel the way you want. If for a week you could feel how you want then you have the ability to learn how to feel that way always.
The past doesn’t mean shit regardless of what it was PERIOD.
Stuff for you to do.
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Chilax with the do or die all or nothing I suceed and am perfect or I failed and I suck. Your stronger than you were before your not a pro bodybuilder yet but you made progress your better than you were be proud of that GOOD JOB. Theres more to life then anyone activity or thing some things don’t mean anything there just fun. Any nature trails near you, why not just hang out at the beach some of the time for a day just for the fun of it, what other things do you like that take no work that are just fun even if for ten minutes a day, sure you want girls, socialization,confidence success etc but that’ll come do things just for fun too.
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I will repeat Chill with the all or nothing attitude there is not so good, ok , decent, pretty, good, and very good, not just worthless and perfect. Your entire self worth does not hang on one activity event ect.
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Don’t get too high either here is a mistake cycle
feel terrible> think of way to fix things> get epihinany all problems are solved now> feel like king of the world> unable to maintain state and crash again,
Aim to feel calm first then calm and content, you don’t need to feel as if you are drugged keep your emotions even.
- K you nice and chill now?
Step A. Start going out and practice …
smiling at people
makeing FRIENDLY (have friendly/ smiling expression on face) eye contact with people
and greeting people (hi,hows it going etc.)
You will start to like people more, focus on old people they are normally freindly. Not everyone will say hi or smile back but some will and it’ll feel good.
Be consistent even if you don’t do it at the very least go out and think about doing it.
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Activities I think wrestling, boxing, judo, bjj or mma would be great for you I think every man should do some martial art (a legit one not kempo crap). Stick with it in it’ll really up your confidence don’t start fights but you’ll feel good knowing you can protect your self and the great thing about these places is it nothing else matters if you do well at teh sport you’ll start getting respect and social practice. If you want do something else another sport do anything you want to do search for it in your area. Carpentry class? juggling? language class? book club? rec sports team? dancing? PS dancing like salsa/tango if there a few good looking girls will be great to get you comfortable touching/ socializing with girls.
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After the greeting people is going well ( be consistent with it at least 3 days a week) Start haveing conversations with strangers Be curiouse
Dreadlocks> howd you get your hair like that? Jacked guy> how often you lift, situational stuff> dude runs to catch bus your on and does wow good timing man.
Be consistent. If you like set goals i.e. greet 30 ppl in a week and have 10 conversations with peple It’s not do or die no biggie if you don’t hit your goals just keep going you’ll improve.
Your confidence will go up you meet people you like once your more confident. " yo bro we should chill sometime, whats your number"
When the convos are going well move on to convos with cute girls no different then other people. Eventually when your confidence grows " you want to hang out sometime" " lets hang out sometime", " What’s your number", “We should go out sometime” ’ I want to/ am going to take you out sometime’.
Also test levels ARE ultra flexible. Going for girls ups test, becoming more confident ups test, competition ups test, achieving or setting goals ups test, stretching your comfort zone ups test, bascially everything I mentioned will up your test.
Another tip for upping test for like 10 minutes set a timer sit with your eyes closed and just think of nice asses tits fucking girls etc. It’ll make you horny as fuck and in the habit of always being horney and thinking about sex which will up your test and make you feel more driven to lift get girls and do all other girls.
Testosterone is cool that way everything it does. I.e. Make you confident, thinking about sex, go after girls, lift, take risks, fight etc. also increase it.
Also start setting other goals that are totally individual related to your career etc.
You’ll be fine dude just keep working on improving yourself stick with it and big changes happen.
OP, hope you have some one you can trust to talk to about this. I don’t want to bring God into this but I have always believed “Gods delays are not God’s denials”. Meaning if it doesn’t happen today it might happen tomorrow, never stop believing that.
It means a lot that you’re coming online to post something like this.
Really hope you can reach out to someone in your personal life because we can’t help you much more than give you motivating, practical advice (barring all the puerile bastards posting every second or so post).
DEADLIFT AND MILK THIS SHIT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM!
if you want someone to talk, you can always send me a PM, i’ve been past through stuff like this
Forgot I one last tip.
Watch some comedy. Standup old simpsons etc.
Xepisodes.com has every south park episode which I find hilariouse check out the old ones they are great. Watch one or two a day laughing is great for you.
Also I think your main problem was just your mind set sucking. No worries just recognize it and change it. The problem was putting all self worth etc. into bodybuilding. And all or nothing thinking. Fixing the attitude will IMPROVE your bodybuilding.
Honestly I think that I know who you are by a post earlier on this site. If I am right as far as bodybuilding what you need to do is be more consistent more intense. And have a better diet with less carbs. I am not too insulin sensitive I have one gram per pound of weight a day made up of fruit for breakfast or post workout always seperate from fat… could work for you.
Maintaining moderate low carbs for ahwile will improve your body lots. After ahwile you’ll at least look pretty decnet at least like a abercrombie model with a little more muscle which is good for now then bulk up.
Also when your in a more happy confident mindset you’ll be doing way better with your bodybuilding so work on that mostly for now.
Also you may want to try this ibodybuilder style program I am doing
Sets of three ramped up to max force point on squats a push( bench, overhead) and a pull(chin,row) Then do some ab work
I like it it’s really short and pumps you up and makes you feel good. I am getting pretty good results, probably won’t make me a pro bodybuilder but I lift as a supplement to my main sport. It should be good for you while you work on everything else you’ll still make progress. It has given better results for all around strength then ANYTHING I have done before. Seeing your strength go up feels great and will up your confidence.
op… alot of members here truly care and wan’t to help you. Can you please let them know that your ok and answer some of their questions. Thank you.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
where’s thebodyguard when you need him?[/quote]
Heeeeeeere I come to save the day!!! LOL
Seriously though, the subject is too touchy to joke. If he trolled, he trolled. We’ve been trolled, rick rolled and subject to all manner of verbal and ocular insult on these pages. Why risk it?
Hmmm, a few thoughts in no particular order. More than one person here has already stated it. If you’re feeling that down and the thought of suicide is actually floating in your head, seriously, go talk to someone. There is no shame in that. You sounds like your body chemistry might be off a bit (testosterone, etc.) so go get checked out. What you are feeling as result of this might not be reality as evidenced by everyone here telling you to “man up”. You just can’t see it.
First, let me say that you’re young, and you have a limited perspective. What troubles you at your age will not matter much when you get older. Kids are mean because even the popular ones are self-conscious. That comes with teenage territory. Bodybuilding is a trivial pursuit for most unless you’re good enough to be a pro and makes lots of money. But I challenge you to find one who you’d like to trade places with.
None of them are making “NBA or baseball money”
and most will live a short life. Do you want to trade places with them? Probably not. So, look at this “sport” as an outlet and HEALTHY lifestyle for you, instead of some quest for the Holy Grail.
You were a loser in high school and lacked success at anything? Let me tell you something, high school is no contest that I’m aware of and there was nothing to win. You’re there to get an education. Hopefully you did that. Concentrate on that while you’re young - no one can ever take that away from you and it will always have value, socially and professionally.
Most of the “grown ups” here could tell you dozens of stories about the unpopular, nerdy, loser, etc. kid in high school that went to a later reunion only to show up and be successful with a good looking wife on his arm. And they could tell you about all those high school “winners” - the football stars, the cool kids, etc. who end up dropping off the face of the earth or amounting to “nothing”.
It’s just a matter of perspective, and right now, because of your age, you have none. Things WILL change, if YOU change them. Pursue your education, which will continue to put you in contact with people - you’re not the only one that feels unpopular. Pursue your interests and join groups that share your interests. Real friendship isn’t formed in high school - friendships are formed out of common interests. I still have friends from high school, but it’s because we played basketball or shared some other interests or experiences - this is how true friendships are formed. So find a passion and pursue it - and you will find like minded people and make friends.
Know this - feeling this way because of bodybuilding is ridiculous. You could excise “bodybuilding” from your post and replace it with ANYTHING - money, status, I’m short, I’m fat, I’m red head, my girl left me, on and on and on and on. Not everyone is cut out for an athletic pursuit. So what? The world is full of them. And those that make it in the athletic world are a very tiny percentage of those that every put on any kind of uniform (or oil) anyway.
But someday, you’re going to have to go in this world and earn a living. And guess what? None of the people you will have to work for and report to are playing a sport either. Even if they were the high school football star, college even, it matters not. They are now in the workforce. Things change man.
Friends? Again, find an interest, pursue it. The friends will come. Girls? LOL. Be careful what you ask for. I don’t say that lightly. I’ve never been in your shoes but know this, we always want most what we don’t have. Girls can be the source of lots of trouble and heartache. If I had less “girls” along my life, I’d have more money, less trouble and probably greater happiness. If you’re not happy with yourself, no girl, no friend, no money, no sport, nothing is going to fix that. Work on being happy.
Pursue your education. Pursue a passion. Stay physically fit and enjoy bodybuilding for what it can do for YOU and YOU alone. Play a sport you like recreationally. We’re not all stars. Work on filling your world with things that bring a smile to your face and make you happy and trust me, a girl will come along for you. But she’s not going to find you hiding in your bedroom sulking.
If anything, your post demonstrates that you have the ability to find a passion, that passion exists within you. So direct that passion toward the positive things that people suggested to you. Get passionate about building the kind of life you want. And get passionate about NOT QUITTING, no matter what. When you get a bit older, you’ll realize that all the talent in the world is meaningless if you do not apply perserverance.
The most successful people in this world are not necessarily the most talented - they rarely are, but usually they are the most consistent and hard working. They WORK HARD - repeated for emphasis.
You are the only person that can give you confidence. Confidence does not come from bodybuilding or any other pursuit. Confidence comes from within. Do you know how many average looking, short, slightly overweight “confident” alpha men I come into contact with daily? LOL - too many. Work on yourself, the confidence will come with mastery of your own world. There are thing within your control and things out of your control. You do not control your genetics. So concentrate on those things you do control.
I got more news for you. There are lots of tough guys in the world. I know a lot of them. Most of them are broke, in jail, or living marginally. Being tough is meaningless. We live in a civilized society and you can go your whole damn life without encountering violence if you are careful and avoid trouble. Again…perspective. I knew lots of tough kids in high school. Not many of them ever amounted to anything. I know lots of tough guys now - and I don’t think you would trade places with any of them long term.
Would you rather be a “winner” and tough guy in high school, and end up a “loser” later on? It’s meaningless - trust me. There is far greater value in becoming a man that is honest, caring and gentle. Any ape can get in a fight and win. Who cares? “Tough” is perserving when times get tough. Tough is not quitting. Tough is taking the high road when the low road is eaier. Tough is being true to your friends, family and that woman in your life when she arrives. Tough is going the right thing sometimes. Being capable of inflicting violence upon another human life is pretty meaningless.
I understand you don’t want to be bullied but really, that’s high school stuff. Adults don’t go around bullying people and it sounds like you’re on the brink of adulthood. Trust me, this will not be an issue for you. Just avoid trouble. Again, perspective.
Again, you admit you’re depressed. Your body chemistry is off. Get your chemistry checked out and see what is the cause. Once you get this corrected, you will feel different. You admit you’re depressed. No shame in that. It happens to the best of us. Go see a doctor to get that checked out too. You wouldn’t try to race a car without the right gas and a sputtering engine would you? Get yourself a tune up, fix your medical problems and I guarantee your outlook will change. You’ll look back on this and say to yourself “what the fuck was I thinking”. Trust those that have given you earnest advice. They are not wrong.