1g of Protein/Pound of Bodyweight

Alright guys, I wasn’t trying to be annoying, and Bricknyce, I appreciate the long response(I’ve read all the posts completely), and the lifters I know and lift with all have their strengths and weaknesses, one guy benches 350, another deads 530, and the strongest of us squats 540 and benches well over 300, were not world-class or anything like that so no need to mock those numbers. I think we are having a lively discussion though. This thread may be annoying, but its interesting too.

And why dont many of you guys have pics of yourselves in your avatars? You are all giving me good info(which I agree completely with, you guys have done your research), then shouldn’t you have physiques worthy of showing off? Maybe its a privacy thing, so I’m not criticizing, just curious.

And one final thing. Can I get some personal experience testimonials about when you changed your nutrition? What happened? Did your lifts skyrocket, or was the change much more subtle? I’m just wondering. I lift with average guys who don’t really have time or the money to afford all the good foods and supplements that are required for optimal performance, so I have no experience with it, only what I’ve read in books. If I’m still annoying you guys, I apologize, it is not my goal.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
whogivsadamn wrote:
I know Dave Tate ate twinkies and honeybuns to get to his strongest size

Just so no one glances over this. [/quote]

Yes that is a good one. Honeybuns and twinkies, sounds pretty simple.

[quote]Ocelot82 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
whogivsadamn wrote:
I know Dave Tate ate twinkies and honeybuns to get to his strongest size

Just so no one glances over this.

Yes that is a good one. Honeybuns and twinkies, sounds pretty simple.

[/quote]

Its Twinkies, then Honeybuns. Its all about nutrient timing.

[quote]whogivsadamn wrote:
Alright guys, I wasn’t trying to be annoying, and Bricknyce, I appreciate the long response(I’ve read all the posts completely), and the lifters I know and lift with all have their strengths and weaknesses, one guy benches 350, another deads 530, and the strongest of us squats 540 and benches well over 300, were not world-class or anything like that so no need to mock those numbers. I think we are having a lively discussion though. This thread may be annoying, but its interesting too. And why dont many of you guys have pics of yourselves in your avatars? You are all giving me good info(which I agree completely with, you guys have done your research), then shouldn’t you have physiques worthy of showing off? Maybe its a privacy thing, so I’m not criticizing, just curious.
And one final thing. Can I get some personal experience testimonials about when you changed your nutrition? What happened? Did your lifts skyrocket, or was the change much more subtle? I’m just wondering. I lift with average guys who don’t really have time or the money to afford all the good foods and supplements that are required for optimal performance, so I have no experience with it, only what I’ve read in books. If I’m still annoying you guys, I apologize, it is not my goal. [/quote]

If people have limited budgets, does this mean that:

a) they should seek to buy the shittiest food around?
b) seek to buy what is healthy or at least “OK” but is still affordable?

And yeah, you’re annoying. I created a list above of dirt-cheap foods and then you go on to say that your buddies can’t afford food. If they can afford shit food–ANY food–they can afford the foods I mentioned above.

GRANTED, there are people in this world who CAN’T afford ANY food. But these aren’t people who go to gyms. They’re in shelters or on the street or on a park bench or in a subway station!

And then there are college kids who have shit jobs like folding clothes and buttering bagels who have to rely on money their parents give them for food or what the parents have in their house.

Yeah, these people are at a disadvantage when it comes to taking care of their own nutrition.

But if people have SOME money to spend on food and are SERIOUS about being healthy and excelling in the gym or on the court, they’ll seek out the cheapest and best option.

The lifts you mentioned are very respectable and above average.

As for pictures. Not everyone who has achieved something or has something feels the need to show off. When I was at my biggest and strongest, I didn’t say to myself, “Look at me now! I gotta take some flicks so I can put them on T-mag, Facebook, and Myspace!” That shit never occurred to me, and it doesn’t occur to some others. Granted, if people are proud of their physiques, there’s nothing wrong with taking some pics and posting them. It’s part of their identity and they’re happy.

And it is a matter of privacy too. Though I think I’m well-mannered and write OK, I’ve written in a rather vulgar and irreverent manner on here before. I’m also a registered dietitian and actually going to work in the fitness field soon. Many nutritionists, dietitians, and trainers peruse this board. I DON’T need colleagues or an employer or POTENTIAL employer to log on here, see my face, and say to themselves something like, “This guy’s a fucking nut!”, or “I work with this guy?!”, or “I ain’t hiring this dude!”

I once had a woman that I was corresponding with from a dating site somehow find me on here, despite my alias, and say to me, “Oh, so you…”

I don’t need that shit! Others don’t either. There are actually some lawyers on here who talk casually in the SAMA section. Do they need someone finding their face on here?

Not everyone needs to show stuff they have. If this was a forum on finance, would it be appropriate for all of us to list our net worth and incomes in our profiles?

Onto performance skyrocketing or increasing slowly with adequate nutrition. I don’t know which way because I’ve been eating alright, or at least “OK” in the beginning. So I never abruptly went from eating like shit to eating squeaky clean.

And not all shit foods are so cheap anymore anyway. Some value meals at fast food joints like McDonald’s and Burger King go for 7 to 11 bucks now. That same 11 bucks can be spent on a few cans of sardines or tuna, brown rice, and a carton or two of eggs.

People should keep their eyes open too. I used to get a carton of eggs for 69 cents at a gas station a few years back.

Good shit Brick. The other missing point here is PRIORITIES. I can guarantee that these same friends of yours magically find the money to afford Jagerbombs or new Xbox games. Food is a basic necessity for humans, copious amounts of food is a basic necessity for getting bigger, period. I have been broke as a joke but never have been unable to afford food. Maybe not the best quality but this is America not Pakistan. It is NOT hard to find and afford large amounts of food.

You are way overthinking this one man. Sometimes people’s “just eat and lift” answers on these boards are lazy IMO but this is a circumstance where it is right on.

Oh and amazingly BONEZ seems to have grown up to be a decent sized boy at a measly 200 grams of protein a day ;]

[quote]storey420 wrote:

Oh and amazingly BONEZ seems to have grown up to be a decent sized boy at a measly 200 grams of protein a day ;][/quote]

200g isn’t measley for a 175lb person. I was about 170 in the avatar pic, on the way up from all the weight I lost over the summer. But yeah I know what you’re saying.

But I am also in the quality over quantity camp since I came home from college and now have daily access to much better food options. I eat less now than I did in college and feel and look better.

[quote]whogivsadamn wrote:
Alright guys, I wasn’t trying to be annoying, and Bricknyce, I appreciate the long response(I’ve read all the posts completely), and the lifters I know and lift with all have their strengths and weaknesses, one guy benches 350, another deads 530, and the strongest of us squats 540 and benches well over 300, were not world-class or anything like that so no need to mock those numbers. I think we are having a lively discussion though. This thread may be annoying, but its interesting too.

And why dont many of you guys have pics of yourselves in your avatars? You are all giving me good info(which I agree completely with, you guys have done your research), then shouldn’t you have physiques worthy of showing off? Maybe its a privacy thing, so I’m not criticizing, just curious.

And one final thing. Can I get some personal experience testimonials about when you changed your nutrition? What happened? Did your lifts skyrocket, or was the change much more subtle? I’m just wondering. I lift with average guys who don’t really have time or the money to afford all the good foods and supplements that are required for optimal performance, so I have no experience with it, only what I’ve read in books. If I’m still annoying you guys, I apologize, it is not my goal. [/quote]

Dude, I’m a poor college kid and I can afford to eat pretty damn clean year round and I’m much heavier than you. How do I do this? Priorities, it’s called a budget. I spend the majority of my cash on things that are important to me, food being one of those. Don’t get me wrong, I love to eat burgers, but other than that I stick to a “diet” almost all the time.

There really is no excuse to not be eating correctly, especially with all the advice Brick and others have been giving you. You know what you should be doing, you are just lazy.

It’s not that hard to put up big numbers and look like shit, the tricky part is putting up good numbers while looking good naked. If you ever want to fall into the latter category, you better start caring about your nutrition.

For fuck sake, Bricknyce… Grab a tissue and wipe away some of those tears, bro. Shit…

  1. Yes - you ARE wasting your “breath, time, and energy here or at a keyboard to spout advice and information that falls on deaf ears”. Please - for the sake of everyone that doesnt have a full hour to read your bellyaching - stop. Your whining is driving the rest of us nuts. Want some nutrition advice? Try a tall glass of shut-the-fuck-up. After all the shit you throw at this kid, youre gonna call HIM annoying?!?..

  2. If the kid wants to eat muffins/twinkies, let the kid eat muffins/twinkies. How do you know that wont help his strength levels and size? MAYBE his body handles large amounts of simple carbs well. MAYBE his energy levels will climb, he’ll consume sufficient amounts of AAs and FFAs and he’ll grow. WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME.

The research suggests consuming somewhere between .8 to 1.2 grams of protein per pound of lean mass (not BW) depending on activity levels. More activity = less protein and vice-versa. Protein consumed past those amounts probably/certainly wont get processed and/or absorbed. SO SAYS SCIENCE - not my opinion.

If youre an individual that takes steroids, good for you - but you need to keep your nutrtion advice to your fuckin self. Youre a loser druggy, a contributer to local and international crime, a cheater that usually doesnt have to the balls to admit it, likely a raging narcissist and an all around insult to the sport. You might as well have a crane or forklift pull the bar off your chest and call that a legal lift. Want to impress someone? Lift hard, lift heavy, study the science behind your sport and eat according to the scientific research - not some bullshit some idiot spends 2 and half hours typing/crying/boo-hooing about (says the guy spending 1 and a half…).

Want GOOD advice, Whogivsadamn? Locate a RD/CSSD (Board Certified Specialist in Sports Dietetics) or at least someone with a degree in this shit. Ask THEM.

Bricknyce - if your response is any longer than a few paragraphs, Im not gonna read it so you can save the tissues. Rather than going on and on and on and on… GET TO THE POINT, I’ll take a look at it and I’ll respond.

Genocide - FY

Thank you Waylander and Storey.

You guys are right; it’s about priorities. The same shit goes for TIME.

As I said before, there ARE people who CAN’T afford–repeat: CAN’T afford–food. And by the same token there are people who DON’T–REALLY DON’T–have time to invest in being a successful bodybuilder or plain old fitness buff/gym junkie! There are people in this world who work… LIKE MANIACS for long and unpredictable hours: surgeons, MDs, medical students (INSANE HOURS; I don’t know how they don’t pass out on the job), financiers, PR and advertising executives, salesmen, entrepreneurs, and so on. Those people should set up a workout schedule that they can realistically stick to, even if the program calls for only two days of weight training in a gym per week.

But for the rest of the ORDINARY workers of the world (99% of the working population with predictable, cushy, 40-hour workweeks), the “I don’t have time” excuse–in most cases–is a CROCK OF SHIT! People say they don’t have time to go the gym, but they sure have time for hours and hours and HOURS per week of American Idol, Facebook, Myspace, talking on the phone, “txtin”, napping, or just plain old farting around and god knows what else! Yeah, THOSE are the people who complain that they have no time to work out.

And most of the people saying they work such hard, long hours are mostly bullshit artists and unproductive workers that spend 1/4 to 1/2 of their work day on Facebook, Myspace, “txtin”, eating, and goofing around with their coworkers. All face time, not actual WORK time! Then they cry about 12-hour work days when they really could have 8-hour workdays if they didn’t spend half the day on bullshit and face time! Just stuffed shirts thinking they’re important!

So in some cases, the excuses for lack of time and money are VERY real. But for most ordinary people, they just lame, bullshit excuses!

[quote]Echo5Tango wrote:
For fuck sake, Bricknyce… Grab a tissue and wipe away some of those tears, bro. Shit…

  1. Yes - you ARE wasting your “breath, time, and energy here or at a keyboard to spout advice and information that falls on deaf ears”. Please - for the sake of everyone that doesnt have a full hour to read your bellyaching - stop. Your whining is driving the rest of us nuts. Want some nutrition advice? Try a tall glass of shut-the-fuck-up. After all the shit you throw at this kid, youre gonna call HIM annoying?!?..

  2. If the kid wants to eat muffins/twinkies, let the kid eat muffins/twinkies. How do you know that wont help his strength levels and size? MAYBE his body handles large amounts of simple carbs well. MAYBE his energy levels will climb, he’ll consume sufficient amounts of AAs and FFAs and he’ll grow. WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME.

The research suggests consuming somewhere between .8 to 1.2 grams of protein per pound of lean mass (not BW) depending on activity levels. More activity = less protein and vice-versa. Protein consumed past those amounts probably/certainly wont get processed and/or absorbed. SO SAYS SCIENCE - not my opinion.

If youre an individual that takes steroids, good for you - but you need to keep your nutrtion advice to your fuckin self. Youre a loser druggy, a contributer to local and international crime, a cheater that usually doesnt have to the balls to admit it, likely a raging narcissist and an all around insult to the sport. You might as well have a crane or forklift pull the bar off your chest and call that a legal lift. Want to impress someone? Lift hard, lift heavy, study the science behind your sport and eat according to the scientific research - not some bullshit some idiot spends 2 and half hours typing/crying/boo-hooing about (says the guy spending 1 and a half…).

Want GOOD advice, Whogivsadamn? Locate a RD/CSSD (Board Certified Specialist in Sports Dietetics) or at least someone with a degree in this shit. Ask THEM.

Bricknyce - if your response is any longer than a few paragraphs, Im not gonna read it so you can save the tissues. Rather than going on and on and on and on… GET TO THE POINT, I’ll take a look at it and I’ll respond.

Genocide - FY[/quote]

Your post is nonsensical.

Don’t read my posts and don’t respond.

If my posts drove EVERYONE nuts, I wouldn’t have people thanking me for and complimenting me on them.

Got that, Mr. 1 Post Newcomer!

[quote]Echo5Tango wrote:
For fuck sake, Bricknyce… Grab a tissue and wipe away some of those tears, bro. Shit…

  1. Yes - you ARE wasting your “breath, time, and energy here or at a keyboard to spout advice and information that falls on deaf ears”. Please - for the sake of everyone that doesnt have a full hour to read your bellyaching - stop. Your whining is driving the rest of us nuts. Want some nutrition advice? Try a tall glass of shut-the-fuck-up. After all the shit you throw at this kid, youre gonna call HIM annoying?!?..

  2. If the kid wants to eat muffins/twinkies, let the kid eat muffins/twinkies. How do you know that wont help his strength levels and size? MAYBE his body handles large amounts of simple carbs well. MAYBE his energy levels will climb, he’ll consume sufficient amounts of AAs and FFAs and he’ll grow. WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME.

The research suggests consuming somewhere between .8 to 1.2 grams of protein per pound of lean mass (not BW) depending on activity levels. More activity = less protein and vice-versa. Protein consumed past those amounts probably/certainly wont get processed and/or absorbed. SO SAYS SCIENCE - not my opinion.

If youre an individual that takes steroids, good for you - but you need to keep your nutrtion advice to your fuckin self. Youre a loser druggy, a contributer to local and international crime, a cheater that usually doesnt have to the balls to admit it, likely a raging narcissist and an all around insult to the sport. You might as well have a crane or forklift pull the bar off your chest and call that a legal lift. Want to impress someone? Lift hard, lift heavy, study the science behind your sport and eat according to the scientific research - not some bullshit some idiot spends 2 and half hours typing/crying/boo-hooing about (says the guy spending 1 and a half…).

Want GOOD advice, Whogivsadamn? Locate a RD/CSSD (Board Certified Specialist in Sports Dietetics) or at least someone with a degree in this shit. Ask THEM.

Bricknyce - if your response is any longer than a few paragraphs, Im not gonna read it so you can save the tissues. Rather than going on and on and on and on… GET TO THE POINT, I’ll take a look at it and I’ll respond.

Genocide - FY[/quote]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nonsensical?..

I bring science to the table - and IM nonsensical.

I respond to your PUBLIC post with a little criticism about your over-emotional BS - and IM nonsensical.

This kid politely and respectfully requests answers to a simple inquiry, you tell him hes “annoying” - and IM nonsensical.

You respond to simple, easy questions with multiple multi-page answers when the answer should take less than a couple of sentences (bravo everyone else) - and IM nonsensical.

I shoot down steroids, an illegal drug - used by low-life cheaters - that deforms (bitch-tits, etc.) and sometimes kills its users (which youve not yet denounced leaving me wondering if you use) not to mention takes away from our sport in every way imaginable - and IM nonsensical.

As for bein a “1 post newcomer”, please - words hurt. I have feelings you know… (single tear)

If I hurt your feelings, tough. Suck it up. Your whining only encourages me.

Got THAT, Mr. 17,376 poster?!

As for your post, Whogivsadamn - lift HEAVY, plan your meals out ahead of time, try the .8-1.2 g/lbs rule, eat every 3-6 hours, drink plenty of H2O (BW/2 = min fl oz) and get plenty of sleep. If that doesnt work, try somethin else till you find what works for you.

Genocide - E5T (aka - FY)

Where the fuck did I write that I take steroids?!

And considering I’m an RD with a BS and pending MS in nutrition, I bring science to the table too.

Besides, I wasn’t talking about much science at all! I was talking about budgeting for adequate nutrition and appropriate food choices. So, obviously, as you said, you didn’t read my posts in full, fuckhead!

And telling a fucking newbie who weighs about 165# with average genetics to load up on shit food IS nonsensical.

<< So, obviously, as you said, you didn’t read my posts in full, fuckhead! >>

LMAO!! Cool it, Brick. Youre gonna shit yourself if you dont reel it back a little. I didnt SAY you used. I ASKED if you used. Whats weird is that you talk like youre strong and your anger levels suggest your on somethin. If youre not on roids, youre on its twin brother cause your showin symptoms…

Congrats on the book smarts and the BS. Im happy for you. Really I am… Now try a little street smarts. Heres somethin to consider. You mentioned bodybuilding earlier. What if this kid is a powerlifter? Lots of shit changes if thats the case. Eating clean becomes LESSZ of a priority and eating for power becomes MORE important. Rather than spouting off emotion-charged answers, try asking more questions and becoming more informed. You might LEARN something from the new kid… God forbid.

As for my answeer to Whogivsadamn’s inquiry, all Im sayin is that this kid might just thrive off of a few extra simple carbs early on in the day.

[quote]Echo5Tango wrote:
<< So, obviously, as you said, you didn’t read my posts in full, fuckhead! >>

LMAO!! Cool it, Brick. Youre gonna shit yourself if you dont reel it back a little. I didnt SAY you used. I ASKED if you used. Whats weird is that you talk like youre strong and your anger levels suggest your on somethin. If youre not on roids, youre on its twin brother cause your showin symptoms…

Congrats on the book smarts and the BS. Im happy for you. Really I am… Now try a little street smarts. Heres somethin to consider. You mentioned bodybuilding earlier. What if this kid is a powerlifter? Lots of shit changes if thats the case. Eating clean becomes LESSZ of a priority and eating for power becomes MORE important. Rather than spouting off emotion-charged answers, try asking more questions and becoming more informed. You might LEARN something from the new kid… God forbid.

As for my answeer to Whogivsadamn’s inquiry, all Im sayin is that this kid might just thrive off of a few extra simple carbs early on in the day.[/quote]

Why create another account to say all this? Why not just answer Brick as the OP?

Forgive me, elusive. I dont understand the question. Please rephrase. Also, whats “OP”?

[quote]Echo5Tango wrote:
Forgive me, elusive. I dont understand the question. Please rephrase. Also, whats “OP”?[/quote]

I think you are an existing member here and made a new user name to argue with Brick so you wouldn’t have to be confrontational as “yourself”. OP = original post/er. I think you’re whogivsadamn and created this second user name to defend “yourself” and yell at Brick because of your frustration to understand his advice.

[quote]Echo5Tango wrote:
<< So, obviously, as you said, you didn’t read my posts in full, fuckhead! >>

LMAO!! Cool it, Brick. Youre gonna shit yourself if you dont reel it back a little. I didnt SAY you used. I ASKED if you used. Whats weird is that you talk like youre strong and your anger levels suggest your on somethin. If youre not on roids, youre on its twin brother cause your showin symptoms…

Congrats on the book smarts and the BS. Im happy for you. Really I am… Now try a little street smarts. Heres somethin to consider. You mentioned bodybuilding earlier. What if this kid is a powerlifter? Lots of shit changes if thats the case. Eating clean becomes LESSZ of a priority and eating for power becomes MORE important. Rather than spouting off emotion-charged answers, try asking more questions and becoming more informed. You might LEARN something from the new kid… God forbid.

As for my answeer to Whogivsadamn’s inquiry, all Im sayin is that this kid might just thrive off of a few extra simple carbs early on in the day.[/quote]

You’re pretty funny! As if all powerlifters were in the 308 and SHW class!

Many–if not MOST–of the SUCCESSFUL powerlifers in the 275 class and down pay careful attention to their nutrition! Do you know any successful powerlifters personally? I do. And even in the SHW and 308 class, there are many that pay careful attention to nutrition and sometimes even have a nutritionist working for them (eg, Andy Bolton).

Suggesting a few simple carbs is NOT a bad thing! I’ll give you that. But this kid intends on stacking up his cupboard with junk.

As if I don’t have street smarts! Again, VERY funny! I’ve been at this since way before I even started studying nutrition and weighed 208 in senior year of high school. Granted I was a little sloppy, but that’s not small for a 5’10" 17 year old!

I’ve lifted in some of the most hardcore gyms of NYC and LI and attended workshops put on by some VERY strong men in powerlifting. So don’t go on and tell me that this is not all about book smarts. I know that, jackass!

And since when did “eating for power” mean eating shitty! MOST power athletes (Olympic lifters, sprinters especially) are pretty fucking lean! And the only way they stay lean on shit food and an ENORMOUS caloric intake is because of ENORMOUS PHYSICAL WORKLOADS (20 hours per week). So don’t tell me this kid needs to eat 12,000 calories of mostly shit like Michael Phelps because of his stellar genetics and Olympian workload because he’s not in that position. If he wants to be a fat fuck, then he can have at whatever the hell he wants to eat!

Personally, I don’t give a shit about what anyone eats aside from my family, clients, and myself! Maybe my friends too because I don’t want to see them come down with medical disorders either! But for someone to come on here, ask for advice, and then challenge us on it–THAT’S annoying!