Why I, BODYBUILDER Isn't as Important as You Think

mutumbo: your shitting on someone who is giving you free advice, which you can then take and apply to your own training. Like CT has stated, it is HOW you perform the exercices (perfect rep) and not so much the program itself.

From reading CT’s posts it seems as if this a new way to do thing to achieve maximum results. Were you saying the dame nonsense when someone presented the idea of supersets, controlled negative or DC style training?

All information presented on this site are meant as tools to help your training. If you expect a routine/supplement to get you huge without dedication/time/discipline, your in the wrong game

See, this is why I like reading shit in T-Cell Alpha. I don’t have to sort through posts like mutombo’s every fucking 5 seconds.

[quote]gsxtacy wrote:
mutumbo: your shitting on someone who is giving you free advice, which you can then take and apply to your own training. Like CT has stated, it is HOW you perform the exercices (perfect rep) and not so much the program itself.

From reading CT’s posts it seems as if this a new way to do thing to achieve maximum results. Were you saying the dame nonsense when someone presented the idea of supersets, controlled negative or DC style training?

All information presented on this site are meant as tools to help your training. If you expect a routine/supplement to get you huge without dedication/time/discipline, your in the wrong game[/quote]

+1

Free advice is free advice, take it or leave it.

I plan on trying to incorporate all of the HTH concepts (I’ve already included some dead-stop tricep bb extensions and twitch reps on pullups) into my training. If it doesn’t work for me (i.e. DE Bench work) fine, but if it does (Clusters, rest-pause) I owe a huge thanks to Biotest and CT for providing all sorts of interesting concepts.

[quote]calves wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Efuchs7 wrote:
Casein Hydrosolate minus the crazy stuff that’ll be in Anaconda is my best guess.

Yep. Mag10 is IN Anaconda. As Tim mentioned to us, Thibs was drinking the Anaconda all day before they started using the Mag10 for all day pulsing -lol.

S

Sorry, I’m not all with it…but I keep hearing about pulsing, what is that?
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Lots of info in this thread.

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
So I just had my 5/3/1 bench session and… doing the “perfect rep” is a lot harder than it sounds! Also, I found that when I did this as intended, my back actually sort of jumped off the bunch from the force, and I lost my tightness. Thib or Nate, have you guys experienced this when doing a bench press variation?[/quote]

Executing twitch reps and lighter weight full range bench press my back would jump off the bench. Christian instructed me to drive my traps into the bench on the concentric. Also during the eccentric when the bar is 3-4 inches from your chest use your back to pull the bar towards you.

[quote]ACTrain wrote:
PB Andy wrote:
So I just had my 5/3/1 bench session and… doing the “perfect rep” is a lot harder than it sounds! Also, I found that when I did this as intended, my back actually sort of jumped off the bunch from the force, and I lost my tightness. Thib or Nate, have you guys experienced this when doing a bench press variation?

Executing twitch reps and lighter weight full range bench press my back would jump off the bench. Christian instructed me to drive my traps into the bench on the concentric. Also during the eccentric when the bar is 3-4 inches from your chest use your back to pull the bar towards you.

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i know as far as explosiveness goes, CT had stated that those 3-4 inches are the most important when accelerating. i was wondering if just doing regular bench press, not twitch reps, and you are ramping, would you still recommend pulling with your back before you accelerate the bar?

[quote]dayne_lathrop wrote:
ACTrain wrote:
PB Andy wrote:
So I just had my 5/3/1 bench session and… doing the “perfect rep” is a lot harder than it sounds! Also, I found that when I did this as intended, my back actually sort of jumped off the bunch from the force, and I lost my tightness. Thib or Nate, have you guys experienced this when doing a bench press variation?

Executing twitch reps and lighter weight full range bench press my back would jump off the bench. Christian instructed me to drive my traps into the bench on the concentric. Also during the eccentric when the bar is 3-4 inches from your chest use your back to pull the bar towards you.

i know as far as explosiveness goes, CT had stated that those 3-4 inches are the most important when accelerating. i was wondering if just doing regular bench press, not twitch reps, and you are ramping, would you still recommend pulling with your back before you accelerate the bar?
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Yes

[quote]ACTrain wrote:
dayne_lathrop wrote:
ACTrain wrote:
PB Andy wrote:
So I just had my 5/3/1 bench session and… doing the “perfect rep” is a lot harder than it sounds! Also, I found that when I did this as intended, my back actually sort of jumped off the bunch from the force, and I lost my tightness. Thib or Nate, have you guys experienced this when doing a bench press variation?

Executing twitch reps and lighter weight full range bench press my back would jump off the bench. Christian instructed me to drive my traps into the bench on the concentric. Also during the eccentric when the bar is 3-4 inches from your chest use your back to pull the bar towards you.

i know as far as explosiveness goes, CT had stated that those 3-4 inches are the most important when accelerating. i was wondering if just doing regular bench press, not twitch reps, and you are ramping, would you still recommend pulling with your back before you accelerate the bar?

Yes[/quote]

AC - forgive me for the rather noobish question, but what do u mean by using your back to pull the bar towards you…I just cant picture it for some reason

By using your back to pull the bar down, you are essentially making use of the antagonistic muscles, which will not only stabilize the joint you’re focusing on, but will create more force in your turnaround. When CT was training his back with the pullover machine, he mentioned that he was trying to be ‘faster than the machine’ on the negative part of the movement.

S

Hey, mutombo

What BB website or suplement company do you work for?

If you don’t, then why does any of this make a difference to you?

After all, no one is forcing you to buy sups or try the program.

Right?

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
By using your back to pull the bar down, you are essentially making use of the antagonistic muscles, which will not only stabilize the joint you’re focusing on, but will create more force in your turnaround. [/quote]

kinda like what power lifters or people like save Tate have been saying for a while?

[quote]Kerley wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
By using your back to pull the bar down, you are essentially making use of the antagonistic muscles, which will not only stabilize the joint you’re focusing on, but will create more force in your turnaround.

kinda like what power lifters or people like save Tate have been saying for a while?[/quote]

Power lifters activate their antagonist AND the synergist muscles during the whole eccentric portion. I think it’s been advocated here to briefly ‘turn-off’ your synergist muscles near the bottom of the rep and then reactivate them at the bottom of the rep to force the IIb to activate and produce a lot of force in the stretched position and therefore damage themselves. That’s how I’ve understood it at least.

[quote]WP wrote:
You can fail adding 1+1 if you’re too lazy to write down 2. If you don’t follow the program properly, or have the capacity to do so, then of course you can fail.

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One of the best quotes ever. I will undoubtedly steal it from you and use it in the near future.

[quote]gsxtacy wrote:
mutumbo: your shitting on someone who is giving you free advice, which you can then take and apply to your own training. Like CT has stated, it is HOW you perform the exercices (perfect rep) and not so much the program itself.

From reading CT’s posts it seems as if this a new way to do thing to achieve maximum results. Were you saying the dame nonsense when someone presented the idea of supersets, controlled negative or DC style training?

All information presented on this site are meant as tools to help your training. If you expect a routine/supplement to get you huge without dedication/time/discipline, your in the wrong game[/quote]

There IS a best way to train (by that I mean exercise selection, load, volume, etc.) but it still all starts with the rep.

Think about it: The rep is the beginning of everything. Each set is merely a series of several repetition performed one after the other. The set itself is not what is causing growth - the individual reps are! The set is merely a way to arrange several growth-producing events that happen to be called repetitions.

I don’t care how advanced you think you are and how good you think your repetitions are, the fact is that the vast majority of you can improve their repetition style. And if you improve on that, then growth will occur at a drastically greater rate.

Not all of you totally mess up the reps; some are probably doing a good job at producing decent repetitions. But that is not enough; well, not enough if you want to grow as fast as the human body will allow you to!

You all have (except for a few exceptions) some room to improve upon the execution of your reps. And the more room for improvement you have, the more progress you should be able to make in the near future.

Those who will refuse to work on their execution (oftentimes because of their ego) will simply never be able to gain optimally from any program, regardless how cutting edge it is supposed to be.

Never assume that you are too strong, too big or too advanced to work on execution. NFL players still work on their basic skills even though they are the best in the world, Olympic lifters work on making every single lift as perfect as possible even after winning gold medals, world-class sprinters still work on basic footing drills despite the fact that they obviously know how to run ! And the list goes on and on.

The fact is that every single repetition is actually four things :

An activation: Each repetition potentiate (wakes up) the nervous system and help make the motor pattern more automatic. Because of that, each repetition contributes to making the next one even better (until fatigue compensate and prevents optimal performance). Look at somebody doing a power clean or a power snatch, during a set of 2-5 reps that second rep is always better than the first one, simply because of neural activation.

A stimulation: Every single repetition represents an opportunity to stimulate growth. It does so by causing some micro-trauma to the muscle, by pulling nutrients into the muscle (a process called non-insulin mediated transport) and by stimulating the release of several growth-producing hormones as well as by increasing the sensitivity of their respective receptors.

A regulation: Regulation means that you are adapting your workout depending on how your body is reacting to the training taking place. The execution of a rep, how it feels, etc. Is the first clue informing you about the working state of your body on that day. It also tells you when to stop a set to avoid overstimulating the nervous system.

An athletic event: Every single repetition should be seen as an athletic event in itself; you should strive to make every single repetition perfect, just like a baseball pitcher attempts the perfect pitch every time he throws a ball. It boggles my mind that people think that ‘those last two reps’ are all that counts when trying to build muscle; it’s exactly like if you were to say that only the last 2 or 3 pitches of a game are important! It’s just plain dumb. If you want to maximize growth, you should milk every single rep for all its worth.

[quote]Kerley wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
By using your back to pull the bar down, you are essentially making use of the antagonistic muscles, which will not only stabilize the joint you’re focusing on, but will create more force in your turnaround.

kinda like what power lifters or people like save Tate have been saying for a while?[/quote]

Most of the concepts I’m trying to teach are adapted from strength athletes (Olympic lifters and powerlifters) because that is where I’m coming from.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

The fact is that every single repetition is actually four things :

An activation : Each repetition potentiate (wakes up) the nervous system and help make the motor pattern more automatic. Because of that, each repetition contributes to making the next one even better (until fatigue compensate and prevents optimal performance). Look at somebody doing a power clean or a power snatch, during a set of 2-5 reps that second rep is always better than the first one, simply because of neural activation.

A stimulation : Every single repetition represents an opportunity to stimulate growth. It does so by causing some micro-trauma to the muscle, by pulling nutrients into the muscle (a process called non-insulin mediated transport) and by stimulating the release of several growth-producing hormones as well as by increasing the sensitivity of their respective receptors.

A regulation : Regulation means that you are adapting your workout depending on how your body is reacting to the training taking place. The execution of a rep, how it feels, etc. Is the first clue informing you about the working state of your body on that day. It also tells you when to stop a set to avoid overstimulating the nervous system.

An athletic event : Every single repetition should be seen as an athletic event in itself ; you should strive to make every single repetition perfect, just like a baseball pitcher attempts the perfect pitch every time he throws a ball. It boggles my mind that people think that ‘those last two reps’ are all that counts when trying to build muscle; it’s exactly like if you were to say that only the last 2 or 3 pitches of a game are important ! It’s just plain dumb. If you want to maximize growth, you should milk every single rep for all its worth.
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Just printed that one out for my notes. :slight_smile:

S

[quote]deat wrote:
gsxtacy wrote:
mutumbo: your shitting on someone who is giving you free advice, which you can then take and apply to your own training. Like CT has stated, it is HOW you perform the exercices (perfect rep) and not so much the program itself.

From reading CT’s posts it seems as if this a new way to do thing to achieve maximum results. Were you saying the dame nonsense when someone presented the idea of supersets, controlled negative or DC style training?

All information presented on this site are meant as tools to help your training. If you expect a routine/supplement to get you huge without dedication/time/discipline, your in the wrong game

+1

Free advice is free advice, take it or leave it.

I plan on trying to incorporate all of the HTH concepts (I’ve already included some dead-stop tricep bb extensions and twitch reps on pullups) into my training. If it doesn’t work for me (i.e. DE Bench work) fine, but if it does (Clusters, rest-pause) I owe a huge thanks to Biotest and CT for providing all sorts of interesting concepts.

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One concept I hammered to Stu and AC is that not all techniques work equally well for everybody.

The best illustration of this happened when we compared Stu’s, AC’s and Nate’s bench, compared to their twitch reps and deadstart pressing.

Nate was MUCH stronger on the regular bench than on the cluster from pins and was super efficient in twitch reps.

AC was MUCH stronger on the cluster from pins than on his regular bench and twitch reps was the hardest thing for him to learn.

Stu was dead even on everything.

This tells me that:

  • Nate is very efficient at using the stretch reflex to produce force (a common theme with athletes) and struggle when you remove his capacity to use the stretch reflex. He would likely not benefit a lot from twitch reps or plyo drills but would gain a lot from clusters and lifts from a dead start.

  • AC is stronger than he is powerful and he is not efficient at utilizing the stretch reflex. Lifts from a dead start and clusters will not be the best for him. Twitch reps, plyo drills and explosive (even ballistic) work will help him tremendously.

  • Stu is screwed… nothing will work for him. Kidding, he will actually progress pretty much equally with all methods.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

The fact is that every single repetition is actually four things :

An activation : Each repetition potentiate (wakes up) the nervous system and help make the motor pattern more automatic. Because of that, each repetition contributes to making the next one even better (until fatigue compensate and prevents optimal performance). Look at somebody doing a power clean or a power snatch, during a set of 2-5 reps that second rep is always better than the first one, simply because of neural activation.

A stimulation : Every single repetition represents an opportunity to stimulate growth. It does so by causing some micro-trauma to the muscle, by pulling nutrients into the muscle (a process called non-insulin mediated transport) and by stimulating the release of several growth-producing hormones as well as by increasing the sensitivity of their respective receptors.

A regulation : Regulation means that you are adapting your workout depending on how your body is reacting to the training taking place. The execution of a rep, how it feels, etc. Is the first clue informing you about the working state of your body on that day. It also tells you when to stop a set to avoid overstimulating the nervous system.

An athletic event : Every single repetition should be seen as an athletic event in itself ; you should strive to make every single repetition perfect, just like a baseball pitcher attempts the perfect pitch every time he throws a ball. It boggles my mind that people think that ‘those last two reps’ are all that counts when trying to build muscle; it’s exactly like if you were to say that only the last 2 or 3 pitches of a game are important ! It’s just plain dumb. If you want to maximize growth, you should milk every single rep for all its worth.

Just printed that one out for my notes. :slight_smile:

S
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8 pages is not enough?

Thibs once again thanks! This info is amazing! I must say that I have fallen into that trap of thinking only the last two reps count in the past

Thib, could you please, if you have the time, explian the stretch reflex a bit more? Sorry if its an idiotic or repetitive question…