Thib, could you elaborate a little more on the CNS side of things regarding your workout principles. Of course absolute strength is the basis for muscle growth, but CNS activation or CNS performance is the base of strength growth. So starting from the bottom, a solid foundation, what is your advice concerning CNS improvement to set a launching pad for muscle growth?
I think the program is an attempt to teach people how to train as efficiently as possible. The only hype surrounding the program is from people begging for the release date and post after post about the supplements, which brings me to my next point.
I think it’s funny that the majority of the posts were about protocols/protein pulsing/etc… and less about technique, how to train, how to adjust the workout based on your performance, and about managing fatigue. If one doesn’t have the basics down, how does a person logically expect to train as efficiently as possible to achieve their goals?
Like CT wrote, either you get the basics down or you don’t. It’s on you, not Biotest, CT, Nate Green, insert favorite trainer to make sure you understand THE LOGIC behind I-BB. CT never admitted the program was a failure. The village idiot who thinks that should go back to her training for the pencil curling championships.
CT’s post to a NORMAL person seemed heartfelt and indicated that the program will only work to its FULLEST extent if you train effectively. Nothing less and nothing more.
mutombo wrote:
dr.mcmc wrote:
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CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
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Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
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I have to say that i would kind of agree with this. I bodybuilder has been way overhyped and now the “creators” are trying to play it down. And it ONLY ONLY ONLY works with Biotest supps. which has nothing to do with the fact that it was partially designed by the owner of Biotest.
To me it looks like T-Nation came up with some great ideas, but completely overhyped it and got themselves into shit. I wanna see the information not advertisements. Some might say T-Nation has sold out to make a buck or two.
Biotest
shouldnt you be working on I bodybuilder, Thibs?
Thibs, are the purpose of these twitch reps to give someone the “feel” of executing the “perfect rep”? Analogous to how golf training aids try to give amateur golfers the “feel” of a fundamentally correct swing?
I want to post this in another Thread in the T-Cell Alpha, but unfortunatly I have not the right, but here’s my message…
Wow guys, you are lucky, very lucky but in the same time you deserve it!
you work hard for getting what you have today.
I am very impress how this site take care of its members. It’s not just a regular forum. It’s like " we are T-Nation". I am very impress Bravo!!
I’ve never been a supplements kind of guy but I can’t wait to see what the fundamentals of I, Bodybuilder are all about. I know I must employ some of them in my training, much of what Coach Thibs says I do or have implemented at one time or another. But having the opportunity to review the combined knowledge of some of the worlds top trainers has got me weak at the knees because it could change the way I think about working out - or at the very least enforce my good habits.
I’ll know instantly if the guys are talking bullshit when I read the article - I’m no fool when it comes to weights - but given Coach Thibs history of top notch articles I suspect it’s going to be on the money. Cheers guys looking forward to it.
[quote]mutombo wrote:
dr.mcmc wrote:
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CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
…
Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
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It’s not a failure or a marketing ploy. I am just saying that the program itself is not the most important thing, but how you perform it. There will be several other “I BB” programs in the future, but the key is the proper execution of the training, not what is written on a piece of paper.
From your posts I do notice some bitterness, have I done something to upset you?
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Thibs, are the purpose of these twitch reps to give someone the “feel” of executing the “perfect rep”? Analogous to how golf training aids try to give amateur golfers the “feel” of a fundamentally correct swing?[/quote]
Twitch reps are indeed a tool I use to teach the proper turnaround speed. But the found out that they are actually a good activation tool to and also improve the speed at which the CNS seems to recruit motor units.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Posts like this don’t make much sense. What supplement on the fucking planet takes the place of hard work?
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Oh but catchphrases like ‘Black Ops’ Bodybuilding do? Explain what that is cough Professor. Go on? Or do I need a degree in Broscience like you? BTW, I didnt even mention hard work vs supplements, so try not to go off on tangents ok… too late:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most of the people whining like this are not at a level where they even understand what an intense workout even is. They are too busy overanalyzing every minor detail. They have no WORKING KNOWLEDGE of what they should be doing.
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Working Knowledge? You guys can’t even release a program in 10 months, and apparently its so badly written and designed that most people will fail it? (dont worry T-fanboys, you guys really will be the special minority who get it).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People like that couldn’t change things up on the fly based on a split second’s understanding of what needs to be changed. Guys like that are still carrying around graph paper.
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What has changing things up got to do with I,BB and this thread? ooooo Professor have you been smoking the weed again… you have havent you… you silly kid you. You best run home to mom now and take your medication.
Hey dont knock graph paper, its got twice the line hypertrophy of normal paper! You must use it all the time, being a Professor!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The one thing most of you should be realizing is that if he hadn’t written a thread like this, it would mean the attempt was to be like every other flashy “here one minute gone the next” supplement out there.
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Or, you wouldnt have an excuse for people failing this uber-hypertropy program?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do believe the goal here is an actual understanding of HOW TO FUCKING LIFT along with the nutrition to do it…/which again means most of you whining are not at that level where you are ready for it.
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And yet it seems that most will fail to understand! Despite your best efforts!
Nutrition?.. hmmm not sure I noticed that part in the I,BB spiel (Anaconda plugs dont count) can you provide a link?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hell, how many guys in this thread alone even have arms over 16"…SOLID (not so smooth you can’t even make out where the biceps is)?[/quote]
16? Why 16? What about 15.5? or 15? Or that doesnt count? Hell, how many guys in this thread have 18 arms? Ah hang on, once the arms hit the magic 16, that’s when those Black Ops guys rappel down from a helicopter into your house and give you your Broscience degree!! hang on…shhhhh… I think I hear a chopper right now… Get to da choppa!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
It’s not a failure or a marketing ploy.
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Right now that’s all it is, marketing. And rather shameless at that.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I am just saying that the program itself is not the most important thing, but how you perform it.
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And so ends todays lesson on stating the bleeding obvious. 
[quote]-Sigil- wrote:
Amen.
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Hallelujah! I’m a believer!
[quote]milkman33 wrote:
mutombo wrote:
dr.mcmc wrote:
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CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
…
Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
I have to say that i would kind of agree with this. I bodybuilder has been way overhyped and now the “creators” are trying to play it down. And it ONLY ONLY ONLY works with Biotest supps. which has nothing to do with the fact that it was partially designed by the owner of Biotest.
To me it looks like T-Nation came up with some great ideas, but completely overhyped it and got themselves into shit. I wanna see the information not advertisements. Some might say T-Nation has sold out to make a buck or two.[/quote]
I think you’ll find that the people on this forum overhyped it themselves. Biotest was just doing what they always do - and the people on here carried it.
Have you seen how many “When is I, BB coming out?” threads there have been?
[quote]mutombo wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
It’s not a failure or a marketing ploy.
Right now that’s all it is, marketing. And rather shameless at that.
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I am just saying that the program itself is not the most important thing, but how you perform it.
And so ends todays lesson on stating the bleeding obvious.
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Bitter much?
Seriously, when a program doesn’t work for someone - one that has been shown to produce results from many people - it’s usually the person who’s failed at it that isn’t working hard enough. In such cases, no program would work for that person.
Do you really think Biotest would still be around if they were here to rip people off?
[quote]mutombo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Posts like this don’t make much sense. What supplement on the fucking planet takes the place of hard work?
Oh but catchphrases like ‘Black Ops’ Bodybuilding do? Explain what that is cough Professor. Go on? Or do I need a degree in Broscience like you? BTW, I didnt even mention hard work vs supplements, so try not to go off on tangents ok… too late:
Professor X wrote:
Most of the people whining like this are not at a level where they even understand what an intense workout even is. They are too busy overanalyzing every minor detail. They have no WORKING KNOWLEDGE of what they should be doing.
Working Knowledge? You guys can’t even release a program in 10 months, and apparently its so badly written and designed that most people will fail it? (dont worry T-fanboys, you guys really will be the special minority who get it).
Professor X wrote:
People like that couldn’t change things up on the fly based on a split second’s understanding of what needs to be changed. Guys like that are still carrying around graph paper.
What has changing things up got to do with I,BB and this thread? ooooo Professor have you been smoking the weed again… you have havent you… you silly kid you. You best run home to mom now and take your medication.
Hey dont knock graph paper, its got twice the line hypertrophy of normal paper! You must use it all the time, being a Professor!
Professor X wrote:
The one thing most of you should be realizing is that if he hadn’t written a thread like this, it would mean the attempt was to be like every other flashy “here one minute gone the next” supplement out there.
Or, you wouldnt have an excuse for people failing this uber-hypertropy program?
Professor X wrote:
I do believe the goal here is an actual understanding of HOW TO FUCKING LIFT along with the nutrition to do it…/which again means most of you whining are not at that level where you are ready for it.
And yet it seems that most will fail to understand! Despite your best efforts!
Nutrition?.. hmmm not sure I noticed that part in the I,BB spiel (Anaconda plugs dont count) can you provide a link?
Professor X wrote:
Hell, how many guys in this thread alone even have arms over 16"…SOLID (not so smooth you can’t even make out where the biceps is)?
16? Why 16? What about 15.5? or 15? Or that doesnt count? Hell, how many guys in this thread have 18 arms? Ah hang on, once the arms hit the magic 16, that’s when those Black Ops guys rappel down from a helicopter into your house and give you your Broscience degree!! hang on…shhhhh… I think I hear a chopper right now… Get to da choppa!
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Funny stuff.
Keep in mind that they are giving you info for free. If you don’t want Biotest supplements then don’t buy them.
[quote]mutombo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Most of the people whining like this are not at a level where they even understand what an intense workout even is. They are too busy overanalyzing every minor detail. They have no WORKING KNOWLEDGE of what they should be doing.
Working Knowledge? You guys can’t even release a program in 10 months, and apparently its so badly written and designed that most people will fail it? (dont worry T-fanboys, you guys really will be the special minority who get it).[/quote]
Yes, the reason there are so few people around with muscular arms over 18" is because the training program they used “failed them”. MOST PEOPLE will fail at any task that requires as much focus and commitment as bodybuilding considering it takes years to reach near the upper limits of potential even for the most genetically gifted.
The reason there aren’t more brain surgeons isn’t because the school system failed everyone else.
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Professor X wrote:
People like that couldn’t change things up on the fly based on a split second’s understanding of what needs to be changed. Guys like that are still carrying around graph paper.
What has changing things up got to do with I,BB and this thread? ooooo Professor have you been smoking the weed again… you have havent you… you silly kid you. You best run home to mom now and take your medication.[/quote]
This is your best attempt at witty come backs? This isn’t grammar school you walked into regardless of what you thought before. In fact, if you can’t understand how being able to immediately change things if needed fits into being an advanced lifter, why even continue?
Mutombo, please don’t make posting a regular habit of yours.
[quote]mutombo wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
It’s not a failure or a marketing ploy.
Right now that’s all it is, marketing. And rather shameless at that.
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I am just saying that the program itself is not the most important thing, but how you perform it.
And so ends todays lesson on stating the bleeding obvious.
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If you don’t like the program, and you don’t like Biotest then perhaps signing up for their forums was not your best idea?
[quote]mutombo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Posts like this don’t make much sense. What supplement on the fucking planet takes the place of hard work?
Oh but catchphrases like ‘Black Ops’ Bodybuilding do? Explain what that is cough Professor. Go on? Or do I need a degree in Broscience like you? BTW, I didnt even mention hard work vs supplements, so try not to go off on tangents ok… too late:
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Black ops just means hidden from public view. If you didn’t understand that then you’re an idiot.
I’d rather wait 10 months for a program to be tested as much as possible than to wait for some idiot to throw one together in 10 minutes and claim it does so and so.
The Biotest team needed evidence that their program would work, and you knock them for trying to produce it?
It’s called auto-regulation, a part of I, Bodybuilder. You’d know that if you researched instead of making unfunny jokes.
You can fail adding 1+1 if you’re too lazy to write down 2. If you don’t follow the program properly, or have the capacity to do so, then of course you can fail. Every program and protocol can produce poor results if you don’t/can’t follow it properly.
How about you actually wait to view the actual program before claiming this?
16 is just an arbitrary value that Professor X seems to consider one that determines whether you’re putting in hard work. He’s not going to say “16 inches to a standard deviation of 1.3” now is he? It’s not definitive so stop being so pedantic about it.
Just out of curiosity, how big are your arms? You seem to believe you have the authority to chop down a program before even reading it, that must mean you’re fucking hyoooooge - you must know it all.