[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
Have you heard of Anaconda?[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve heard of Anaconda. But when Nate was naming off the supp he used…he put MAG-10 protein down as if its another supp! So I was just wondering.
Casein Hydrosolate minus the crazy stuff that’ll be in Anaconda is my best guess.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’ve never been ripped on, at least not to a significant extent, because contrary to most coaches I:
- don’t have an ego
- I am genuinely looking to help people
- don’t care what the answer is, as long as it is the truth… I don’t feel the need to be the one who has the answers[/quote]
I’m not one to talk very much or say frivolous things on threads; but I want to just say that I believe Christian Thibaudeau. I’ve bought many books and magazines. No I’m not the biggest, strongest, smartest, etc., but I have gained a lot from reading and trying (key word “trying”) to put into practice what Christian Thibaudeau has written in his books, “The Black Book of Enhanced Training Secrets Enhanced Edition” and “High Threshold Muscle Building” and have gained much. I haven’t posted any pics yet, but I am working on it. It seems to me that the IBB is working on some of the concepts in the two previously mentioned books. I don’t believe I’ll be able to start right up with IBB when it comes out because I’ll need more practice just like any other sport (if you want to consider this a sport). But I will work my way up to the concepts that it involves. I’m for optimism, but I think people need to get real and not have pie in the sky dreams about everything they read or hear.
would this sort of be an example of that perfect rep? notice the control on the negative and the quick turnaround. No bounce.
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
MAG-10 is probably the CH used postworkout and also for pulsing.[/quote]
What are you talking about? MAG-10 is discontinued pro-hormone product that Biotest used to sell. Some people stockpiled the stuff before the ban.
Sometimes I feel like a dinosaur.
[quote]KAS wrote:
Efuchs7 wrote:
MAG-10 is probably the CH used postworkout and also for pulsing.
What are you talking about? MAG-10 is discontinued pro-hormone product that Biotest used to sell. Some people stockpiled the stuff before the ban.
Sometimes I feel like a dinosaur.[/quote]
They are releasing a new (different)product with the same name. The Surge Workout Fuel also has a “MAG-10” amino formula in it. Its kind of like how the Spike pills are different than the drinks ingredients wise, but the “idea” of Spike is energy, so they just use the same name.
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
Casein Hydrosolate minus the crazy stuff that’ll be in Anaconda is my best guess.[/quote]
Yep. Mag10 is IN Anaconda. As Tim mentioned to us, Thibs was drinking the Anaconda all day before they started using the Mag10 for all day pulsing -lol.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Efuchs7 wrote:
Casein Hydrosolate minus the crazy stuff that’ll be in Anaconda is my best guess.
Yep. Mag10 is IN Anaconda. As Tim mentioned to us, Thibs was drinking the Anaconda all day before they started using the Mag10 for all day pulsing -lol.
S
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Sorry, I’m not all with it…but I keep hearing about pulsing, what is that?
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This is interesting and makes me think that I’m not being as “explosive” as needed…[/quote]
So you were just being a little explosive hey? what 50%, maybe 60% explosive…?
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Christian,
For a while I was training bench press using dead stop reps, with much lighter weight than normal training (185lb for example) at about 10-12 reps. I understand now the folly of that rep/weight scheme and limited activation…[/quote]
What about the OPs post made you understand your folly?
Exactly how did that babble about a Perfect Rep enlighten you?
CT with all the talk of a quick ecc->concentric turnaround, you don’t even broach the topic of the stretch-shortening cycle. What are your opinions on SSC and if/where does it fit into this illusive equation that is the Perfect Rep.
Nate, Stu, Christian, or anybody else,
In the spirit of max tension in the stretched position, what do you think about doing partial reps from fully stretched to only about halfway up?
The first thought that popped into my head when reading Christian’s original post was of Lou Ferrigno doing partial incline BB bench presses in the movie “Pumping Iron.”
Nice thread. Thanks.
Doug
[quote]dr.mcmc wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
When it comes out (it will!, honest) most people will miss the boat completely with this I, BODYBUILDER thing. Most readers will simply jump into it like they would a regular program. It’s not meant to be that way.
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Let me tell you this: if you do not master the art of the perfect rep, do not grasp how to get into that activated state and don’t know how to autoregulate, then IBB will simply be just another internet program… no better or worse than the tens of thousand already available, and that would truly sadden me.
I don’t mean to sound too harsh here. I’m a huge fan of this site, of Biotest, and the contributors here. It’s given me far more than I could possibly give back.
But what’s up with this post?
CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here]. But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
Granted, this is the way it’s always been and always going to be. Not happy with your body? You’re unlikely to find the answer in a bottle for $39.95 and a few page spread of marketing drivel a la Muscle & Fiction. Improvement in bodybuilding–and anything else worthwhile in life–comes through persistent sweat and study. And… well… good genetics are always a bonus (again, as in anything).
So, thanks for the temperance, CT. But it wouldn’t be needed without the full court, multimedia blitz on I, BODYBUILDER in the first place.
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x2
the feeling is mutual.
And Nate,
What in the hell are you doing in all those training sessions!? 3 in one day?!
I can only assume that none of them are all that taxing.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
KAS wrote:
Efuchs7 wrote:
MAG-10 is probably the CH used postworkout and also for pulsing.
What are you talking about? MAG-10 is discontinued pro-hormone product that Biotest used to sell. Some people stockpiled the stuff before the ban.
Sometimes I feel like a dinosaur.
They are releasing a new (different)product with the same name. The Surge Workout Fuel also has a “MAG-10” amino formula in it. Its kind of like how the Spike pills are different than the drinks ingredients wise, but the “idea” of Spike is energy, so they just use the same name.[/quote]
Gotcha. This stuff is getting confusing. I don’t follow the supplements put out by Biotest anymore. They look awesome, but just too expensive to ship to the arse end of the world.
I’ll be watching this one closely (while turning green wwith envy).
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
Nate, Stu, Christian, or anybody else,
In the spirit of max tension in the stretched position, what do you think about doing partial reps from fully stretched to only about halfway up?
The first thought that popped into my head when reading Christian’s original post was of Lou Ferrigno doing partial incline BB bench presses in the movie “Pumping Iron.”
Nice thread. Thanks.
Doug
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Well, when we were doing twitch reps, obviously (if you’ve seen the video of CT training) the ROM is very limited, focusing on the stretched relaxed position. Thibs did say though that while the weight used on twitches is irrelevent, that you can work on your speed, or even incorporating a larger ROM. So I would guess if you are still intensely focused on a fast turnaround, and your speed isn’t dropping off with each successive rep, that the larger ROM as one might see in a partial rep would still constitute something that would produce positive results.
(of course I’m not CT, but that’s what I would guess)
S
[quote]dr.mcmc wrote:
…
CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
…
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Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
[quote]mutombo wrote:
dr.mcmc wrote:
…
CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
…
Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
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Posts like this don’t make much sense. What supplement on the fucking planet takes the place of hard work?
Most of the people whining like this are not at a level where they even understand what an intense workout even is. They are too busy overanalyzing every minor detail. They have no WORKING KNOWLEDGE of what they should be doing.
People like that couldn’t change things up on the fly based on a split second’s understanding of what needs to be changed. Guys like that are still carrying around graph paper.
The one thing most of you should be realizing is that if he hadn’t written a thread like this, it would mean the attempt was to be like every other flashy “here one minute gone the next” supplement out there.
I do believe the goal here is an actual understanding of HOW TO FUCKING LIFT along with the nutrition to do it…/which again means most of you whining are not at that level where you are ready for it.
Hell, how many guys in this thread alone even have arms over 16"…SOLID (not so smooth you can’t even make out where the biceps is)?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mutombo wrote:
dr.mcmc wrote:
…
CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
…
Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
Posts like this don’t make much sense. What supplement on the fucking planet takes the place of hard work?
Most of the people whining like this are not at a level where they even understand what an intense workout even is. They are too busy overanalyzing every minor detail. They have no WORKING KNOWLEDGE of what they should be doing.
People like that couldn’t change things up on the fly based on a split second’s understanding of what needs to be changed. Guys like that are still carrying around graph paper.
The one thing most of you should be realizing is that if he hadn’t written a thread like this, it would mean the attempt was to be like every other flashy “here one minute gone the next” supplement out there.
I do believe the goal here is an actual understanding of HOW TO FUCKING LIFT along with the nutrition to do it…/which again means most of you whining are not at that level where you are ready for it.
Hell, how many guys in this thread alone even have arms over 16"…SOLID (not so smooth you can’t even make out where the biceps is)?[/quote]
Amen.
Professor X, will you be sharing your training experiences this past week on the forums/log/etc? Perfect rep insights?
[quote]mutombo wrote:
dr.mcmc wrote:
…
CT’s comments here are in such stark contrast to the hype surrounding I, BODYBUILDER, that I had to blink my eyes at first. Yes, muscle gains are all about the “perfect rep” (whatever that is) …and the diet, …and the rest, …and the [insert your next favorite elusive intangible here].
But this post sounds more like a move to temper expectations, chill-out the masses, and backpedal the expectations on I, BODYBUILDER. In short, it’s an attempt, given all the hype, to position the locus away from the I, BODYBUILDER product per se and back onto the individual. In short… it sounds like a giant, social, mea culpa.
…
Indeed. By CTs own admission I,BODYBUILDER is a failure, before its even started. “Most” people wont get it. But its their fault, not the program/protocol/philosophy/marketed products.
But “coach”, how can it be a failure yet? I would have thought you’d have to wait till after the marketing campaign launch, then check the monthly sales trends for Anaconda??
So when is the launch of I,BODYBUILDER Marketing Campaign? Lets see some Sales Hypertrophy!
[/quote]
Wow some worthwhile input there, Mr. Skeptic.
Biotest is trying to be industry leaders and revolutionize the way progress is made. In fact, I think the release of this methodology is more lucrative for people with average genetics but that have the heart to bust some ass to maximize their gains.
Unlike genetic freaks and assisted lifters, who can train just about any way and make good gains, some of us need to optimize any which way we can. The fact that, like you say, “most people won’t get it” (which I’m willing to bet you fall into said category) is because they don’t have that passion.
And you know, maybe that’s not such a bad thing in all cases. Not everybody that trains does it to be as strong and aesthetically advanced as possible, but if you haven’t noticed that banner on top of the page, it says “The Intelligent and Relentless Pursuit of Muscle.” I think that CT’s post is in accordance with that motto perfectly.