[quote]chimera182 wrote:
It would appear that he became a successful attorney through means other than skill.[/quote]
Nope, you can’t pass the Bar by giving blow jobs. Trust me, I tried that before I tried studying.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Summing up, as Charles Barkley said: “Looks, Money, Intellect — A man’s got to have at least one of these”.
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I don’t know why men have to have one or all those, considering that most men have NONE of them and still manage to get a woman, have an ordinary job, and have an OK life.
Tribunal:
You speak of wealth, intellect, model looks, and outstanding achievement, but I don’t see your need for emphasis on them. Our society would be worse off than it is now (and it’s pretty fucking bad now for reasons unrelated to this conversation) if we had too many genius, independent-minded, handsome, overambitious men. We’d have utter chaos, and it would be impossible for people to move in the same direction and to be led. Corporations and organizations would crumble if we hordes of hard-driving, loud-mouthed smart alecs running around.
Ordinary is OK, and that’s what 99.9…% of the population is. [/quote]
That may be true…but it has been said too many times to count, that this activity isn’t even FOR everyone. If one of those “99.9%” finds they’ve been lifting for 6 years but no one can tell, why do they turn around and try to convince everyone else that they are just as bad as they are? I guess misery loves company.
I mean, in this very thread some guy who is OVER 6 feet yet only weighs 200lbs (pretty damn AVERAGE progress for someone who is anywhere near as serious as I consider myself to be) is spending his own fucking free time logging into BODYBUILDING FORUMS to tell all of the people making WAY more progress than he is that we don’t know what we are doing.
I don’t think the point is that one needs to be exceptional in order to live a life on the planet. The point is, why are so many average people speaking up all of the time as if those who aren’t average should follow THEIR lead?
I was over 200lbs at 5’10" in less than two years of training after starting at around 150lbs yet some guy who has been lifting for SEVERAL FUCKING YEARS is trying to convince me and anyone else like me that I need to spend more time worrying about how HE trains???
This would be like someone who never graduated high school giving me career advice.
It’s no wonder there are so many trolls on this forum. Noone can resist the urge to argue with them.
It worries me though that some of these people actually seem to believe what they’re saying.
He doesn’t NEED to be here and since people who have not one tenth of his education and know-how imagine they’re in a position to preach AT him, instead of paying attention, freakin’ reading what he’s actually written, and learning how to RESPECTFULLY disagree why would he? I know I wouldn’t.
On a related note, have you all noticed Waterbury isn’t the only writer who doesn’t bother to write here anymore. I think most of the writers just reach a point where they get fed up with the rudeness of the hit-and-runs here. Small wonder. If the think-they-know-it-alls keep it up nobody will bring their experience here to share.
Why do people keep refering to full body workouts as “Waterbury principles”?
Full body training CAN be an effective way to build muscle if you set the parameters right, but it sure as hell ain’t no Waterbury principle, he basically rehashed some old principles.
Full body is just one of many ways to get to Rome, and Chad is like a cab driver who may know one way, but it was built before the dude was even born.
How could you miss my point?
Full points to those who want to stay ordinary, but THIS FORUM is intended for those who want to stand out from a physique standpoint. Does it mean everyone who reads this forum needs to aim to stand out, hell no.
But if you don’t plan to stand out from a physique standpoint, your perspective is unwelcome on a BB training-related discussion.
If I logged on to an elite warcraft gaming forum, me being a sub-par player I should NOT expect to stand up and be counted on account of my limitations.
It clear now?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Summing up, as Charles Barkley said: “Looks, Money, Intellect — A man’s got to have at least one of these”.
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I don’t know why men have to have one or all those, considering that most men have NONE of them and still manage to get a woman, have an ordinary job, and have an OK life.
Tribunal:
You speak of wealth, intellect, model looks, and outstanding achievement, but I don’t see your need for emphasis on them. Our society would be worse off than it is now (and it’s pretty fucking bad now for reasons unrelated to this conversation) if we had too many genius, independent-minded, handsome, overambitious men. We’d have utter chaos, and it would be impossible for people to move in the same direction and to be led. Corporations and organizations would crumble if we hordes of hard-driving, loud-mouthed smart alecs running around.
Ordinary is OK, and that’s what 99.9…% of the population is. [/quote]
[quote]trextacy wrote:
i actually have pretty good genetics, test highly on IQ and standardized tests, am a successful attorney and my wife is hot. not sure what your deal is, or why you think advocating Waterbury principles has any bearing on genetics. curious. i’m 6’2 and approx 200 lbs. [/quote]
put up pictures of this 200 pounds at 6’2 so we can have a laugh.
pictures of said hot wife who scores a 9 or a 10.
And you ain’t no successful attorney chumley…you"s at best a run of the mill ambulance chaser with 2 clients a year.
if you get your best results from TBT and not focusing on training muscle groups, then sorry, your genetics suck. BAAAAAD.
pictures, who knows maybe we’ll be shocked and applaud.
LOL, ordinary man with ordinary job and ordinary physique and ordinary life. No one care about your existence and no one gives a flying fuck if you stay or if you go. No need to stand up, you won’t be counted.
You’re one of the few I haven’t tracked down on the forum, so I don’t know you from Adam. However, being as I admire your honesty and tenacity and that you speak your mind with no malice, so I would like to see you push yourself before its too late.
If you’re ONLY 31, you have YEARS ahead of you but are too stupid to realize it, no offence. Problem is its not too many but still substantial. Now you can choose to whittle around and stay ordinary or use these few years to make a SERIOUS difference. My posts aren’t meant to insult you, but to irritate you sufficiently so you’ll buckle down and seek to stand out in whatever field you choose to excel.
You barely put any gusto into it. If you’d at least smiled or something I’d have given you that passing grade, but noooo.
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
It would appear that he became a successful attorney through means other than skill.[/quote]
Nope, you can’t pass the Bar by giving blow jobs. Trust me, I tried that before I tried studying.[/quote]
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
And I know natural guys who don’t sleep, eat 2-3 times a day, train a few times a week and party 3-4 nights a week and STILL gain muscle while keeping their abs.
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Funny, I always thought their secret weapon was a good base of muscle and YOUTH. 
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
He doesn’t NEED to be here and since people who have not one tenth of his education and know-how imagine they’re in a position to preach AT him, instead of paying attention, freakin’ reading what he’s actually written, and learning how to RESPECTFULLY disagree why would he? I know I wouldn’t.
On a related note, have you all noticed Waterbury isn’t the only writer who doesn’t bother to write here anymore. I think most of the writers just reach a point where they get fed up with the rudeness of the hit-and-runs here. Small wonder. If the think-they-know-it-alls keep it up nobody will bring their experience here to share.[/quote]
Bullshit. I respectfully disagreed with him, avoided using any profanity and he had the whole thread removed because he happened to be the only one throwing insults by the end of it.
Contrary to what some of you really want to believe, these guys aren’t saints nor are they able to handle much debate with people who are also educated yet who disagree with them on certain issues. I didn’t bash any of his principles as far as training either.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]BBriere wrote:
I think I would have to agree that genetics are a huge factor in bodybuilding. I would say more so than steroids. Steroids are over hyped anyway. Most competitive bodybuilders use a wide variety of anabolic enhancers, many of which are legal. Hell, Alex Rodriguez used 'roids and he didn’t become Ronnie Coleman.
I workout now at a gym and there is a guy there with killer genetics. I’ve seen him to a leg routine which consists of Smith cage squats with about 115 pounds. He does a few sets of high reps. Later he did some leg extensions. That was it!! The guy is built like a monster. When I worked at a gym in Dallas the wrestler Bautista came in. I couldn’t believe how huge he was. He did a workout that consisted of doing a chest press machine with very low weights and some triceps extensions.
I’m not trying to pass off every gigantic individual as a genetic freak of nature or a roid rager, but it of course makes a huge difference between a guy who untrained would naturally be about 225 and would that would be 180. That’s why not everyone who lifts heavy could become an NFL lineman. You have to be naturally big.[/quote]
I’M positive that Bautista didn’t GET big pecs and tris only doing that stuff - rather he is MAINTAINING his bigness with that stuff. [/quote]
I’m sure you’re right. I’m not assuming that he never does any more than this. I’m sure the hectic travel schedule plays some role. He is definitely an individual though who could easily maintain muscle mass for extended periods of time without much stimulation where others need almost constant stimulation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
He doesn’t NEED to be here and since people who have not one tenth of his education and know-how imagine they’re in a position to preach AT him, instead of paying attention, freakin’ reading what he’s actually written, and learning how to RESPECTFULLY disagree why would he? I know I wouldn’t.
On a related note, have you all noticed Waterbury isn’t the only writer who doesn’t bother to write here anymore. I think most of the writers just reach a point where they get fed up with the rudeness of the hit-and-runs here. Small wonder. If the think-they-know-it-alls keep it up nobody will bring their experience here to share.[/quote]
Bullshit. I respectfully disagreed with him, avoided using any profanity and he had the whole thread removed because he happened to be the only one throwing insults by the end of it.
Contrary to what some of you really want to believe, these guys aren’t saints nor are they able to handle much debate with people who are also educated yet who disagree with them on certain issues. I didn’t bash any of his principles as far as training either.[/quote]
For the record, Chad has never “had a thread removed” from this site. If a thread was removed, it was the decision of a mod.
SirenSongWoman is a troll. A REAL female troll.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bullshit. I respectfully disagreed with him, avoided using any profanity and he had the whole thread removed because he happened to be the only one throwing insults by the end of it.
Contrary to what some of you really want to believe, these guys aren’t saints nor are they able to handle much debate with people who are also educated yet who disagree with them on certain issues. I didn’t bash any of his principles as far as training either.[/quote]
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
He doesn’t NEED to be here and since people who have not one tenth of his education and know-how imagine they’re in a position to preach AT him, instead of paying attention, freakin’ reading what he’s actually written, and learning how to RESPECTFULLY disagree why would he? I know I wouldn’t.
On a related note, have you all noticed Waterbury isn’t the only writer who doesn’t bother to write here anymore. I think most of the writers just reach a point where they get fed up with the rudeness of the hit-and-runs here. Small wonder. If the think-they-know-it-alls keep it up nobody will bring their experience here to share.[/quote]
Bullshit. I respectfully disagreed with him, avoided using any profanity and he had the whole thread removed because he happened to be the only one throwing insults by the end of it.
Contrary to what some of you really want to believe, these guys aren’t saints nor are they able to handle much debate with people who are also educated yet who disagree with them on certain issues. I didn’t bash any of his principles as far as training either.[/quote]
For the record, Chad has never “had a thread removed” from this site. If a thread was removed, it was the decision of a mod.
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This was an ENTIRE thread. This even came up when I went to Colorado. I’ve asked TC and Tim what happened and no one seems to know. It may well be a mod decision but I have NEVER seen them remove an entire thread that wasn’t a troll; attempt.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
He doesn’t NEED to be here and since people who have not one tenth of his education and know-how imagine they’re in a position to preach AT him, instead of paying attention, freakin’ reading what he’s actually written, and learning how to RESPECTFULLY disagree why would he? I know I wouldn’t.
On a related note, have you all noticed Waterbury isn’t the only writer who doesn’t bother to write here anymore. I think most of the writers just reach a point where they get fed up with the rudeness of the hit-and-runs here. Small wonder. If the think-they-know-it-alls keep it up nobody will bring their experience here to share.[/quote]
Bullshit. I respectfully disagreed with him, avoided using any profanity and he had the whole thread removed because he happened to be the only one throwing insults by the end of it.
Contrary to what some of you really want to believe, these guys aren’t saints nor are they able to handle much debate with people who are also educated yet who disagree with them on certain issues. I didn’t bash any of his principles as far as training either.[/quote]
For the record, Chad has never “had a thread removed” from this site. If a thread was removed, it was the decision of a mod.
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Chris,
I’m glad you’re here. I started this thread so I haven’t abandoned it. I’m trying to keep it in a positive direction without a bunch of name calling. My intention was just to see if anybody has heard anything from CW.
[quote]BBriere wrote:
Chris,
I’m glad you’re here. I started this thread so I haven’t abandoned it. I’m trying to keep it in a positive direction without a bunch of name calling. My intention was just to see if anybody has heard anything from CW.[/quote]
In the email I told you about (this was in October) I asked him a few questions, one of them being where he has been. His answer:
“I’ve been busy on some other projects but I’ll keep doing stuff at
Tmuscle, here and there. I’ve got an interview coming out on Tmuscle next
week.”
The interview being the one that came out not too long ago, done by Chris Shugart.
Him, as well as Lonnie Lowery, and Charles Staley have been the only T-Nation authors I’ve been able to contact outside of T-Nation.
And damn it! I wish the thread wasn’t deleted cuz I wanted to read it!
I do agree with PX though. CW may not have deleted it himself, but I’m sure he had a say in it and influenced it disappearance.
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]BBriere wrote:
Chris,
I’m glad you’re here. I started this thread so I haven’t abandoned it. I’m trying to keep it in a positive direction without a bunch of name calling. My intention was just to see if anybody has heard anything from CW.[/quote]
In the email I told you about (this was in October) I asked him a few questions, one of them being where he has been. His answer:
“I’ve been busy on some other projects but I’ll keep doing stuff at
Tmuscle, here and there. I’ve got an interview coming out on Tmuscle next
week.”
The interview being the one that came out not too long ago, done by Chris Shugart.
Him, as well as Lonnie Lowery, and Charles Staley have been the only T-Nation authors I’ve been able to contact outside of T-Nation.
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Thanks. You know, I always used to picture the guys from T-Nation sitting in these cubicles, all in the same building, and typing at computers. Obviously, CW would probably have a cubicle apart from everyone else because I’m guessing he has very bad gas.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]deadlift655 wrote:
[quote]trextacy wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I ask the people who spew shit like, “Da whole reason why bodybuildin’ trainin’ has been toined upside down is becuz of roidz”…
… I ask you: Have you used steroids yourself? If you have, tell us about their magical powers and how you feel on them and if it just makes this whole thing so goddamn easy and if all of the sudden after taking them you could withstand enormous workloads. If you haven’t tried them, tell us if you’ve had a close friend who took them and what they experienced. Tell us if after starting them, they drastically changed their workout routines.
Or you can stop saying shit about stuff you’ve never tried or that not even a close friend of yours tried![/quote]
friends of mine have. we train hard, and they add 30+ lbs in 6 months while on, then lose it if they go off and/or get tits if they don’t pct.
it’s a huge fucking factor and advantage.
cutting is easier
strength/size gains come quicker.
it is a huge factor. that is why you see douches on Jersey Shore and guys getting shitfaced at the bar/club with 8% bodyfat at 230+lbs.
it’s huge, and you can draw a line in the history of the olympia and other major bb comps when it became widely in use.[/quote]
I dont want to take anything away from the guys who train hard and are not natural, but I also agree that there is a huge difference.
I have seen the same guys, out drinking most nights, eating crap, and still not having it take it’s toll on them.
I personally know guys who fall into this category.
Now, before anyone labels me a “hater” or whatever, I have a good deal of muscle on a large frame. If it were legal, I probably would not have to think that hard before losing my natural status. [/quote]
And I know natural guys who don’t sleep, eat 2-3 times a day, train a few times a week and party 3-4 nights a week and STILL gain muscle while keeping their abs. And I also know quite a few guys who have used AAS at some point in their lives and look like every other random shmoe in the gym. For someone who has not used AAS you are sure giving them a lot of credit. High testosterone levels don’t build slabs of muscle by itself. Fuel and stimulus is still absolutely essential.
Its posts like yours that it make it so obvious why Americans hate performance enhancing drugs. You feel like youre being cheated even though you aren’t in a competition.
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I personally don’t hate performance enhancing drugs. I have seen the exact cases you mentioned though. The natural who could train hard and still party and the juicer who relied on his stuff for the edge. I know of one case in particular involving a hard gainer who initially was just big and fat while partying who later turned into big and ripped while partying. The only change was him going on a good cycle.
Just because I have not used AAS does not mean I know nothing about them. Maybe the guys I know who take them are more open in admitting it and discussing them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
Contrary to what some of you really want to believe, these guys aren’t saints nor are they able to handle much debate with people who are also educated yet who disagree with them on certain issues. I didn’t bash any of his principles as far as training either.[/quote]
Yeah i hate to break it a few people here but outside of this site, a couple of other sites and their local client base. Most of these guys are fairly unheard of in the grand scheme of things.
its not like TMZ with hoards of people waiting around LAX,
I don’t mean any disrespect but anyone on earth can submit an article here (obviously whether they run it is a different story)