Prof X or Others Help: Moving from Upper/Lower

I say Professor x in the title because I want people like him who are advanced answering my question. If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.

I have been building up a strength foundation for about 2 years now. Previously, I’d been doing too much volume for my recovery abilities. Although bodybuilding for 8 years, I’d say that only my past 2 years counts since before I wasn’t eating enough or even concerned that much with strength. I would describe myself as ectomorphic (by genes), started off at 130lbs at 6 foot.

Currently hovering around 200lbs at >10% bf. I don’t take steroids, and don’t intend to when not at my peak natural potential.

My realistic goal is to be at a natural, lean 225-230lbs by the time I’m 30 years old (currently 25). I’ve been doing upper exercises twice a week, or once every 5 days. And lower body once per week.

Brief example:

Monday - Bench, Military Press, Barbel Curl, Skull Crusher
Wednesday - Squat, Deadlift, Shrugs
Friday - Bench, Pullup, Skull Crusher, Barbel curl

I only manage 2-3 sets per exercise (average of 7 reps/set), otherwise, strength levels go down/over-training happens. I am wanting to go onto a more advanced routine now though since it only takes 3 or 4 weeks before this becomes too much (especially with the squat and deadlift in the same workout).

Thing is though, even though I’m only doing deadlifts once a week, I seem to stagnate. My squat is going up nicely, so is some other exercises (although, not as quickly as I’d like). Currently Iâ??m getting stuck at 350lbs on the deadlifts and itâ??s really annoying me since Iâ??ve been hovering around this weight for months and canâ??t seem to break past it. Iâ??m happy with squats (currently 340lbs and improving each week easily).

I was considering doing a more split routine, which would mean doing some exercise less and giving them more sets.

One problem I have with SOME split routines in the fact that they only â??hitâ?? the chest once a week. I understand that compound movements hit other muscles too (e.g. Deadlift hits upper back too, pullups hit biceps too etc)â?¦but thereâ??s no other regular big exercise that hits the chest enough (other than specific compound movements like dips/â??flatâ?? presses). The reason why this is a problem for me personally is because I get weaker/smaller in the chest if itâ??s not directly trained at least once every 5 days (maybe this is because of only doing 3 sets?). That’s only the typical split routines I’ve seen in the past though, I’m not sure if they’re different now.

Whatâ??s the best way forward from here? I’m only asking because I’m probably going to have to do quite a bit of customisation…something I’m not familiar with on a more split routine.

I would really value the input and thanks in advance!

are you retarded?

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.

[/quote]

Moron

I would like to see some pictures of the OP, who is asking for advanced advice. 200lbs @ 6" isn’t impressive.

squats and milk

toaster and tub

“I only manage 2-3 sets per exercise (average of 7 reps/set), otherwise, strength levels go down/over-training happens.”

No, it doesn’t. Stop being lazy.

Train the muscle. Strength levels go down with progressive sets…but that doesn’t mean those sets are worthless.

Looking at CT’s article…I’ve had my best size and strength gains with the following:

Upper-lower splits (requires 4 weekly workouts)
Push-pull-legs (requires 6 workouts per 8 days)
Lower-Upper-Total body (requires 3 weekly workouts)

Hitting the muscle twice in 7-8 days.

I think too often those who are going no where fast get stuck in a split rut. Monday-Chest, Tuesday-Legs, hit the muscle only once a week…only works if you completely and utterly obliterate it. Why work Chest on Monday and then not again until the next Monday when Thursday or Friday your chest is ‘ready’?

If your strength ain’t going nowhere then work the muscle more often.

If your weight ain’t going nowhere then eat more.

Did I say it was impressive? I’m a growing lad, looking for some ADVICE…is that too much to ask for?

I simply want someone who can give sensible, levelheaded advice. Not advice for advanced students, but rather, advice for where I’m at now. I’m probably more towards the upper intermediate stage for a natural bodybuilder (one with a small frame).

Why do some criticise the words within a paragraph and not look at the question as a whole?

[quote]dyeguy1212 wrote:
are you retarded?[/quote]

No…but thanks for asking:)

[quote]dyeguy1212 wrote:
toaster and tub[/quote]

I just inhaled my apple. Well done.

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Tatsu wrote:
I would like to see some pictures of the OP, who is asking for advanced advice. 200lbs @ 6" isn’t impressive.

Did I say it was impressive?

I’m a growing lad, looking for some ADVICE…is that too much to ask for?[/quote]

No it’s not too much to ask for. But you do realize that you’re backhandedly insulting many people on this forum more developed than you when you yourself are nowhere near the qualification you required?

Shit like that only works when you’ve accomplished above and beyond.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.

Moron[/quote]

Then set him straight…but calling the one guy who logs in asking for the help of the bigger lifters a moron is also quite moronic. He’s basically just asking for direction. I am way more open to people asking me for advice in the gym than I am dumbasses who think they know everything or imply that everyone with big muscles somehow got them by accident.

Therefore:

  1. There are many advanced lifters who are under 220lbs who still look impressive. Stu on this site is one (even though I do believe he has been past 220lbs before). 1morerep on this site isn’t looking too bad either.

  2. As far as this topic, there is no way in hell you are “overtraining” in one training session. The rest of what you wrote implies that you are very turned around and retyping everything stated over the last 9 years here is not something I plan to do. You can read that thread in the best of T-Nation thread about how I train. I am also assuming you don’t ramp up in weight if you are averaging 7 reps every single set.

You have a lot of reading to do.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
Tatsu wrote:
I would like to see some pictures of the OP, who is asking for advanced advice. 200lbs @ 6" isn’t impressive.

Did I say it was impressive?

I’m a growing lad, looking for some ADVICE…is that too much to ask for?

No it’s not too much to ask for. But you do realize that you’re backhandedly insulting many people on this forum more developed than you when you yourself are nowhere near the qualification you required?

Shit like that only works when you’ve accomplished above and beyond.[/quote]

Ok, I’m sorry for that. I’m still getting used to this site :slight_smile:

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
I say Professor x in the title because I want people like him who are advanced answering my question. If you weigh under 220lbs (unless you’re a midget), please watch and learn lol.

I have been building up a strength foundation for about 2 years now. Previously, I’d been doing too much volume for my recovery abilities. Although bodybuilding for 8 years, I’d say that only my past 2 years counts since before I wasn’t eating enough or even concerned that much with strength. I would describe myself as ectomorphic (by genes), started off at 130lbs at 6 foot.

Currently hovering around 200lbs at >10% bf. I don’t take steroids, and don’t intend to when not at my peak natural potential.

My realistic goal is to be at a natural, lean 225-230lbs by the time I’m 30 years old (currently 25). I’ve been doing upper exercises twice a week, or once every 5 days. And lower body once per week.

Brief example:

Monday - Bench, Military Press, Barbel Curl, Skull Crusher
Wednesday - Squat, Deadlift, Shrugs
Friday - Bench, Pullup, Skull Crusher, Barbel curl

I only manage 2-3 sets per exercise (average of 7 reps/set), otherwise, strength levels go down/over-training happens. I am wanting to go onto a more advanced routine now though since it only takes 3 or 4 weeks before this becomes too much (especially with the squat and deadlift in the same workout).

Thing is though, even though I’m only doing deadlifts once a week, I seem to stagnate. My squat is going up nicely, so is some other exercises (although, not as quickly as I’d like). Currently Iâ??m getting stuck at 350lbs on the deadlifts and itâ??s really annoying me since Iâ??ve been hovering around this weight for months and canâ??t seem to break past it. Iâ??m happy with squats (currently 340lbs and improving each week easily).

I was considering doing a more split routine, which would mean doing some exercise less and giving them more sets.

One problem I have with SOME split routines in the fact that they only â??hitâ?? the chest once a week. I understand that compound movements hit other muscles too (e.g. Deadlift hits upper back too, pullups hit biceps too etc)â?¦but thereâ??s no other regular big exercise that hits the chest enough (other than specific compound movements like dips/â??flatâ?? presses). The reason why this is a problem for me personally is because I get weaker/smaller in the chest if itâ??s not directly trained at least once every 5 days (maybe this is because of only doing 3 sets?). That’s only the typical split routines I’ve seen in the past though, I’m not sure if they’re different now.

Whatâ??s the best way forward from here? I’m only asking because I’m probably going to have to do quite a bit of customisation…something I’m not familiar with on a more split routine.

I would really value the input and thanks in advance!
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Wow.

(1) You aren’t doing enough work and aren’t even remotely within the universe that could be considered overtraining. Doing 2-3 sets of military press per week at 7 reps per set is barely a workout for shoulders, much less adequate work to stimulate growth.

(2) Hate to break it to you, but if you are currently 25 years old, 200 lbs at >10% BF, you WILL NEVER, EVER REACH A LEAN (10%-ISH) 230 LBS…by the time you are 30, or any time for that matter (not naturally). Not going to happen chief. Just look at the new Shelby Starnes interview that was posted today- there is a similar question posed. People don’t get how awesome a “lean 230” is these days- natural or otherwise. If you had the genetics for that you would already be much closer to it.

(3) somatypes like “ectomorph” are basically bullshit and have no basis in actual science.

(4) If you want to do a split, do a basic 3-way split and get in the gym 5 days per week. OR, if you want to keep things closer to your current set up, do an upper push, and upper pull, and some sort of lower body movement 3 days per week, with 2 days for arms/abs/calves. Use rep schemes like 10x3, 15x1, etc. so you are working at a higher % of your 1RM more of the time. Your working weight will go up quicker this way and the # of sets will ensure sufficient total workload to cause hypertrophy.

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Tatsu wrote: I would like to see some pictures of the OP, who is asking for advanced advice. 200lbs @ 6" isn’t impressive.

Did I say it was impressive? I’m a growing lad, looking for some ADVICE…is that too much to ask for?

I simply want someone who can give sensible, levelheaded advice. Not advice for advanced students, but rather, advice for where I’m at now. I’m probably more towards the upper intermediate stage for a natural bodybuilder (one with a small frame).

Why do some criticise the words within a paragraph and not look at the question as a whole?
[/quote]

It’s not even intermediate… I’m not intermediate. Over the long haul I’m still a beginner. You’re asking advice with all some conditions that’s not even realistic for your goals.

Why I am questioning your words is because of your inconsistency. You’re looking in the OP for advice of advanced trainee’s…
But you seem to have rephrased it a little better.

Just look around, you’re not intermediate. My advice: go to the popular threads topic and take it from there.

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
Tatsu wrote:
I would like to see some pictures of the OP, who is asking for advanced advice. 200lbs @ 6" isn’t impressive.

Did I say it was impressive?

I’m a growing lad, looking for some ADVICE…is that too much to ask for?

No it’s not too much to ask for. But you do realize that you’re backhandedly insulting many people on this forum more developed than you when you yourself are nowhere near the qualification you required?

Shit like that only works when you’ve accomplished above and beyond.

Ok, I’m sorry for that. I’m still getting used to this site :)[/quote]

Hey you don’t have to apologize for it. I’m just explaining why you might have gotten some of the reactions you got. I personally could give a fuck. Good luck on the training though.

Why do people feel the need to pull arbitrary numbers out of their ass on how much one person should weigh to be considered “advanced” without taking a lot of other factors into consideration?

I guess all the guys in the 202 olynmpia aren’t experienced enough to help the OP, they’ll just have to “watch and learn.”