Now we’re claiming totals we “should” hit later this year as accomplishments? Even if RealPC hits 1700, that’s 235 lbs of improvement over 5 years ((probably less since he’s admitting his old total was conservative). I guess if people think 235 lbs over 5 years is optimal improvement, then knock yourselves out.
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
Now we’re claiming totals we “should” hit later this year as accomplishments? Even if RealPC hits 1700, that’s 235 lbs of improvement over 5 years ((probably less since he’s admitting his old total was conservative). I guess if people think 235 lbs over 5 years is optimal improvement, then knock yourselves out. [/quote]
You’re right. You should show me how it’s done.
I could have hit 1700 (635-430-635) in January without much thought.
I expect you guys to start doing high rep cable concentration curls and pec deck flyes anytime now.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I expect you guys to start doing high rep cable concentration curls and pec deck flyes anytime now.
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Those are my main assistance exercises in my meet prep.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I expect you guys to start doing high rep cable concentration curls and pec deck flyes anytime now.
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Those are my main assistance exercises in my meet prep.[/quote]
With proper periodization, I hope?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I expect you guys to start doing high rep cable concentration curls and pec deck flyes anytime now.
[/quote]
Those are my main assistance exercises in my meet prep.[/quote]
With proper periodization, I hope?
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Is there any other way?
To close, because this conversation has gotten stale to me, everyone needs to train in a way that makes them happy. Progress or not. Do what you like, and what gives you joy.
Would you rather do a program you make great progress on but hate to do, or do a program you make ok progress on but gets you excited? I personally would rather do something that makes me happy. If you are going to spend time busting your hump in the gym spend it doing something you enjoy doing. Internet squabbling is dumb in that kind of way. I’ve said from the start, if you really like doing WSB do it. If you like sheiko do it. It’s all good. The time you spend in the gym should be productive for sure, but it should also be enjoyable as well. Life is too short and too precious to spend time doing things we have a choice over that don’t bring us happiness. That’s my zen-style stuff for the day.
Thanks for the discussion.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
Would you rather do a program you make great progress on but hate to do, or do a program you make ok progress on but gets you excited? I personally would rather do something that makes me happy. If you are going to spend time busting your hump in the gym spend it doing something you enjoy doing.
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Good point. Hard to get amped up, give it your all and stay motivated if you hate what you’re doing.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I expect you guys to start doing high rep cable concentration curls and pec deck flyes anytime now.
[/quote]
Those are my main assistance exercises in my meet prep.[/quote]
With proper periodization, I hope?
[/quote]
Is there any other way?
To close, because this conversation has gotten stale to me, everyone needs to train in a way that makes them happy. Progress or not. Do what you like, and what gives you joy.
Would you rather do a program you make great progress on but hate to do, or do a program you make ok progress on but gets you excited? I personally would rather do something that makes me happy. If you are going to spend time busting your hump in the gym spend it doing something you enjoy doing. Internet squabbling is dumb in that kind of way. I’ve said from the start, if you really like doing WSB do it. If you like sheiko do it. It’s all good. The time you spend in the gym should be productive for sure, but it should also be enjoyable as well. Life is too short and too precious to spend time doing things we have a choice over that don’t bring us happiness. That’s my zen-style stuff for the day.
Thanks for the discussion.
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I guess this is something that we can all agree on
anyone try WS4SB? if so, how were the gains?
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
Now we’re claiming totals we “should” hit later this year as accomplishments? Even if RealPC hits 1700, that’s 235 lbs of improvement over 5 years ((probably less since he’s admitting his old total was conservative). I guess if people think 235 lbs over 5 years is optimal improvement, then knock yourselves out. [/quote]
You’re right. You should show me how it’s done.
I could have hit 1700 (635-430-635) in January without much thought. [/quote]
You need me to video how to signup for a meet ? Powerlifting happens on the platform not on internet forums based on theoretical maxes. I’ll just keep coaching lifters that total Elite at powerlifting meets.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]brauny96 wrote:
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]crashcrew56 wrote:
No, I don’t[/quote]
Then that’s why you don’t understand how this all works.[/quote]
But yet DE work is very beneficial for the raw lifter, (mostly the bench) because most raw lifters (maybe not you or a few others, but for an intermediate, or slightly above with average genetics) NEED DE work, to improve the speed off their chest.
And BTW PC, lets see some vids of this 1700+ total. Gym lifts will work.[/quote]
I haven’t hit it yet. It’s a project based on my next training cycle.
Here are some casual lifts.
no belt no wraps 585x1 squat
425 close grip
500 x 8 deads
All of these were done pretty casually and from back last winter (the squat and dead were). The 500x8 dead was done after an fairly easy 615.
DE work is an individualized thing. Most guys don’t get anything from it. [/quote]
Good work PC.
[quote]IronManMMA wrote:
anyone try WS4SB? if so, how were the gains?[/quote]
Even though I have lifted for many years, I used it for firefighting training and I still do occasionly. If you are a pure powerlifting, I wouldnt go for it. Its more of an athletic approach. You will definitely have strength gains but there are other programs/templates that would suit someone aiming for strength gains alot better
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I expect you guys to start doing high rep cable concentration curls and pec deck flyes anytime now.
[/quote]
Those are my main assistance exercises in my meet prep.[/quote]
With proper periodization, I hope?
[/quote]
Is there any other way?
To close, because this conversation has gotten stale to me, everyone needs to train in a way that makes them happy. Progress or not. Do what you like, and what gives you joy.
Would you rather do a program you make great progress on but hate to do, or do a program you make ok progress on but gets you excited? I personally would rather do something that makes me happy. If you are going to spend time busting your hump in the gym spend it doing something you enjoy doing. Internet squabbling is dumb in that kind of way. I’ve said from the start, if you really like doing WSB do it. If you like sheiko do it. It’s all good. The time you spend in the gym should be productive for sure, but it should also be enjoyable as well. Life is too short and too precious to spend time doing things we have a choice over that don’t bring us happiness. That’s my zen-style stuff for the day.
Thanks for the discussion.
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Cant go against that.If you enjoy what you are doing and you are making progress your there.If you look on line you see so many worrried about the perfect program.Which all reality is a fantasy.While they overlook two very important traits needed to progress.A work ethic and patience.
[quote]crashcrew56 wrote:
I am going to have to disagree with you saying that Wendler is stronger now, take a look at his DL from back when he was competiing and take a look at it now. He used to pull over 700 in competition, and from looking at his log it appears that he can’t do that anymore.[/quote]
Dear Mr. Cashcrew,
Please let me inform you about the truth, not about your “truth.” The only lift that I am weaker at now is the bench press. I have pressed 455x1 with a close grip. I did press 470x3 with a wide grip weighing over 280lbs. Now, at 230, I am weaker.
My press is up 25lbs.
My deadlift is WAY up, depsite what you say. I have pulled 710 at 230lbs, and my deadlift of 700 wasn’t exactly text book.
My squat is all conjecture really. Hard to tell as I never trained without equipment.
Couple that with a stronger clean, stronger chins, and stronger heart.
Yes, I am stronger. If you have any more questions about my lies (lifts), please let me know. Feel free to contact me at EFS.
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[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
5/3/1 was designed for the normal guy that trains at a commercial gym alone. [/quote]
Interesting.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]crashcrew56 wrote:
I am going to have to disagree with you saying that Wendler is stronger now, take a look at his DL from back when he was competiing and take a look at it now. He used to pull over 700 in competition, and from looking at his log it appears that he can’t do that anymore.[/quote]
Dear Mr. Cashcrew,
Please let me inform you about the truth, not about your “truth.” The only lift that I am weaker at now is the bench press. I have pressed 455x1 with a close grip. I did press 470x3 with a wide grip weighing over 280lbs. Now, at 230, I am weaker.
My press is up 25lbs.
My deadlift is WAY up, depsite what you say. I have pulled 710 at 230lbs, and my deadlift of 700 wasn’t exactly text book.
My squat is all conjecture really. Hard to tell as I never trained without equipment.
Couple that with a stronger clean, stronger chins, and stronger heart.
Yes, I am stronger. If you have any more questions about my lies (lifts), please let me know. Feel free to contact me at EFS.[/quote]
Aaannnnnd…bitchslap.
This thread was saved from burning in hell at 10:32am this morning.
[quote]bluejay wrote:
This thread was saved from burning in hell at 10:32am this morning.
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Lol. Damn right
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
5/3/1 was designed for the normal guy that trains at a commercial gym alone. [/quote]
Interesting.[/quote]
Haha this is bittersweet.
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
Now we’re claiming totals we “should” hit later this year as accomplishments? Even if RealPC hits 1700, that’s 235 lbs of improvement over 5 years ((probably less since he’s admitting his old total was conservative). I guess if people think 235 lbs over 5 years is optimal improvement, then knock yourselves out. [/quote]
Well- it all depends which 5 years you’re talking about in determining whether 235lb is a lot. Over the last 5 years I added 485 lbs to my best raw lifts (various training routines- mostly by rotating max effort lifts ala WSB). But will I add another 485 lbs in another 5 years? Probably, almost certainly not. Actually another 235 lbs would put me at a 2000 raw total- a fucking nuts raw total for a 41 year old. In fact, if I can still squat 600+ and 400+ raw when I’m 40 with tearing something, I’d be really stoked.