i have recently used HEAT which contains 44mg of ephedrine. i bought this of the counter in one of the local malls.
i have used it for 4 weeks. would this mean i am no more natural?
yes, i’m sorry
That would depend on who you ask. It is not qualified as AAS so some may consider you a natural. Others would not consider you natural if you took anything other than BCAA’s, protein, and creatine.
There’s no point in going half way with drugs so you can try and claim your a ‘natural’.
I kind of thought that bucheron was making a funny. Laughed pretty hard, actually.
It’s a matter of perspective, imo. I certainly don’t consider ephedrine to be a PED in anywhere near the same category as an AAS. Sure, it would be unfair to have it in your bloodstream while competing in some sort of race or event that requires extreme alertness, but I don’t see how using it for 4 weeks as part of some sort of product would permanently taint you.
I think he’s more concerned as to whether or not it will have any effect on the natural contest he will be partaking in. He made a post in the Bodybuilding forum about how he has a contest shortly, so I put two and two together.
Just call me Sherlock Holmes.
I’d say your more of a Watson.
I’m pretty certain that ephedrine is not allowed in natural competitions.
I believe it is on the banned substance list of the IOC - meaning if it is an olympic event you would be considered a cheat.
In BB it isnt just AAS that are the banned ‘unnatural’ substances, it is all PED’s, and Ephedrine/ECA is a PED - in BB used for cutting to lower levels of bodyfat.
Depending on the contest you compete in will determine your morality.
There are some that only allow lifetime naturals - and while it is possible to use PED’s and compete, one only cheats himself.
There are comps that ask you havent taken anything for a minimum of 2 years i believe, and there are the untested events.
TBH, whichever you would compete in (if it is indeed bodybuilding you are speaking of) i dont think that an accidental use of ephidrene over 4 weeks will give you an unfair advantage, stop the use of the drug and be careful in the future.
JMO
Brook
ok thanks for the input guy i am not competing at a natural bodybuilding show im doing and ifbb novice show and they dont test here at local level. well the lil side effects i experienced were increased heart beat. and maybe a higher blood pressure but i fell totally noraml after discontuing it also could this have lowered my sex drive or is it the toll of my lower carb intake lowering my sex drive.but nothing major
[quote]the_next_arnold wrote:
ok thanks for the input guy i am not competing at a natural bodybuilding show im doing and ifbb novice show and they dont test here at local level. well the lil side effects i experienced were increased heart beat. and maybe a higher blood pressure but i fell totally noraml after discontuing it also could this have lowered my sex drive or is it the toll of my lower carb intake lowering my sex drive.but nothing major[/quote]
I don’t understand? You said this in another thread…
“i am from south africa and a natural bodybuilder your input will be appreciated”
Immediately followed by…
“ok thanks for the input guys i have been dieting from 12 jan when i was 72kg and my show is this saturday. im currently 65.6kg competing in the 60-70kg category.”
So you are now doing an untested show? And all you have used is ephedrine, no AAS to prep for this? You will be slaughtered man.
If you are doing an untested show you need to be taking steroids, simple as that.
[quote] Brook wrote:
I believe it is on the banned substance list of the IOC - meaning if it is an olympic event you would be considered a cheat.
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Just to clarify, Ephedrine HCl is currently on the WADA list as being banned for in competition use only. You are allowed to use it any point in your training except during a competition. It is not tested for at all in OMT urinalysis.
if I remember correctly there was an Olympic athlete that was kicked out because he took cold medicine which had psudoephedrine in it.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
if I remember correctly there was an Olympic athlete that was kicked out because he took cold medicine which had psudoephedrine in it.[/quote]
It was a she.
They took her medal because she had allergies and took a single sudafed the day of.
Tested positive for amphetamines, sudafed is used to create meth for a reason.
well waylander this weekend is the show and i will prove u wrong maybe u dont beleive in me competing naturally against juiced up competitors but i know i can do it. i have seen guys do it in the past. and if one cant compete at novice level naturally then they wasting there time.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
if I remember correctly there was an Olympic athlete that was kicked out because he took cold medicine which had psudoephedrine in it.
It was a she.
They took her medal because she had allergies and took a single sudafed the day of.
Tested positive for amphetamines, sudafed is used to create meth for a reason.[/quote]
That was Andreea Raducan in 2000. She tested positive for pseudophedrine, which was in the medicine. Since then pseudophedrine has been taken off the banned substance list.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So you are now doing an untested show? And all you have used is ephedrine, no AAS to prep for this? You will be slaughtered man.
If you are doing an untested show you need to be taking steroids, simple as that.[/quote]
Certainly not true Way, AAS will NEVER compare to complete dedication to the sport. A very good friend of mine just placed second, in the middleweight div, at a recent untested show in the southwest US.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
if I remember correctly there was an Olympic athlete that was kicked out because he took cold medicine which had psudoephedrine in it.
It was a she.
They took her medal because she had allergies and took a single sudafed the day of.
Tested positive for amphetamines, sudafed is used to create meth for a reason.
That was Andreea Raducan in 2000. She tested positive for pseudophedrine, which was in the medicine. Since then pseudophedrine has been taken off the banned substance list.[/quote]
Thanks for clarifying my post earlier, and i remember this - was she a cyclist?
I assume pseudophedrine has been removed as it is in too many OTC medicines - but i LIKE training when i have a cold and have dosed on pills with that, caffeine and APAP(paracetamol) in. I always find it gives me a real kick (i hate ephedrine/clen BTW - not a fan of stims in general)
Brook
I agree - for the majority of the training population Way would be right, BUT there are some who are simply so gifted it is unbelieveable.
I used to know a couple of natural brothers at 18-20 who were in fantastic shape and were competing in untested shows - they were totally amazing.
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
I agree - for the majority of the training population Way would be right, BUT there are some who are simply so gifted it is unbelieveable.
I used to know a couple of natural brothers at 18-20 who were in fantastic shape and were competing in untested shows - they were totally amazing.
Brook[/quote]
You are right of course but the OP posted pics in the bodybuilding forum. He’s not one of the people you speak of and I think Waylander was aware of that.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
So you are now doing an untested show? And all you have used is ephedrine, no AAS to prep for this? You will be slaughtered man.
If you are doing an untested show you need to be taking steroids, simple as that.
Certainly not true Way, AAS will NEVER compare to complete dedication to the sport. A very good friend of mine just placed second, in the middleweight div, at a recent untested show in the southwest US. [/quote]
I understand that, but he has a pic up, this was not just a random statement. He looks pretty decent for a natty show but as far as untested, um no.
It just doesn’t make sense to me to do an untested show when you aren’t on AAS.