[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er[/quote]
What are we disagreeing on?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
Is good to hear opinions, honestly i think i have good genetics for this. My dad is 5 ‘6 when he was 50 he had a 4 pack, weighed 210lbs and had 19.5’’ arms. I’ve been fatter than i am now for most of of my life, fat pre teen, even fatter teenager, but i was benching 225 when i was 16. Bearing mind thats in the UK where we have no school gyms etc like in the states. i was always trying to lose weight so i never really fuelled my workouts or muscle building, kinda just maintained and did a shiity job of trying to diet.
I think counting macros + carb cycling will help you a lot dieting. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with losing, say 15 pounds over a few weeks, maintaining weight for a few weeks, and then going back to dieting. I actually got stronger doing that in the past couple months.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I think counting macros + carb cycling will help you a lot dieting. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with losing, say 15 pounds over a few weeks, maintaining weight for a few weeks, and then going back to dieting. I actually got stronger doing that in the past couple months.[/quote]
Who is dieting?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er[/quote]
What are we disagreeing on?
[/quote]
Personal preference, of course.
But this is exactly what this latest generation of young posters here often seems to forget: that while they consider a non-lean/ripped look to represent an “unfinished product,” there are others who don’t see it at their way at all and prefer the ‘full house’ look. In other words, there is no fact-of-the-matter.
For me, staying lean happens to be in-line with my goals/preferences.
And I would only be making a mistake when I attempt to project those upon others.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
DEfinitely looking bigger marzouk. Obvioulsy carrying quite a bit of fat, but looks like there is some quality size under there. Like others have said, no need to get up to 265 just to hit that number alone. Gonna be a lot of wieght to lose cutting. Good luck.
[/quote]
Agreed.
Leaning out will def be an adventure, but hey, you’ll def learn a lot along the way…
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er[/quote]
What are we disagreeing on?
[/quote]
Personal preference, of course.
But this is exactly what this latest generation of young posters here often seems to forget: that while they consider a non-lean/ripped look to represent an “unfinished product,” there are others who don’t see it at their way at all and prefer the ‘full house’ look. In other words, there is no fact-of-the-matter.
For me, staying lean happens to be in-line with my goals/preferences.
And I would only be making a mistake when I attempt to project those upon others.
[/quote]
Agreed…but even his personal preference doesn’t show a disagreement with what I wrote…which is why I asked him the question.
He seemed to think that being heavier now somehow will keep him from a great physique later…even though he made more progress recently than in many years past.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er[/quote]
What are we disagreeing on?
[/quote]
Personal preference, of course.
But this is exactly what this latest generation of young posters here often seems to forget: that while they consider a non-lean/ripped look to represent an “unfinished product,” there are others who don’t see it at their way at all and prefer the ‘full house’ look. In other words, there is no fact-of-the-matter.
For me, staying lean happens to be in-line with my goals/preferences.
And I would only be making a mistake when I attempt to project those upon others.
[/quote]
Good post. I agree it all comes down to preference, for me getting ripped but be very difficult and staying there even harder, i have a tendency to gain weight very easy, found out recently i had an estrogen problem which could explain some of that.
As for a finite goal? i wana look better than Zraw - and if i can get to 190… i think i can!
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
http://asp.elitefts.net/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=182739
left, 225, right 170-175.
was a miserable experience, but it was my own fault for being so out of shape.
miserable, but it got it done, Shelby killed me, and im happier than ever before that i worked with him… can’t even tell you how happy.
4 years to get that fat… 13 weeks to lose it, thanks to him. Now im working with him in the offseason for 52 weeks and loving every second of it
guy is an incredible asset[/quote]
Great job mate, well done. Were you using any other gear like T3, clen, DNP in your cut? Im entering week 6 of my cut and ive just entered the ‘oohhh no im shrinking’ period. In the past this is where i usually fall off and start bulking again
Gota keep going though.
[/quote]
clen and t3[/quote]
I’ve actually got some t3 laying around that I got for a friend who never used it. Currently at the beginning of my cut. How much did t3 seem to expediate your fat loss?
[/quote]
dont use it unless you are on AAS…
that being said, t3 is very potent for fat loss[/quote]
I’m just on 600mg test e at the moment. Tried tren, can’t do it, too much anxiety lol. Mind if I ask what you ran for that cut?[/quote]
test/tren[/quote]
If I were just running the test at 600mg/week and some Winny maybe at 50mg/day…would that be enough to spare muscle and keep me from getting totally flat from the t3, in your opinion?
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
http://asp.elitefts.net/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=182739
left, 225, right 170-175.
was a miserable experience, but it was my own fault for being so out of shape.
miserable, but it got it done, Shelby killed me, and im happier than ever before that i worked with him… can’t even tell you how happy.
4 years to get that fat… 13 weeks to lose it, thanks to him. Now im working with him in the offseason for 52 weeks and loving every second of it
guy is an incredible asset[/quote]
Great job mate, well done. Were you using any other gear like T3, clen, DNP in your cut? Im entering week 6 of my cut and ive just entered the ‘oohhh no im shrinking’ period. In the past this is where i usually fall off and start bulking again
Gota keep going though.
[/quote]
clen and t3[/quote]
I’ve actually got some t3 laying around that I got for a friend who never used it. Currently at the beginning of my cut. How much did t3 seem to expediate your fat loss?
[/quote]
dont use it unless you are on AAS…
that being said, t3 is very potent for fat loss[/quote]
I’m just on 600mg test e at the moment. Tried tren, can’t do it, too much anxiety lol. Mind if I ask what you ran for that cut?[/quote]
test/tren[/quote]
If I were just running the test at 600mg/week and some Winny maybe at 50mg/day…would that be enough to spare muscle and keep me from getting totally flat from the t3, in your opinion?[/quote]
if ur shooting 600mg of test e a week i wouldnt worry about losing muscle… at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er[/quote]
What are we disagreeing on?
[/quote]
Personal preference, of course.
But this is exactly what this latest generation of young posters here often seems to forget: that while they consider a non-lean/ripped look to represent an “unfinished product,” there are others who don’t see it at their way at all and prefer the ‘full house’ look. In other words, there is no fact-of-the-matter.
For me, staying lean happens to be in-line with my goals/preferences.
And I would only be making a mistake when I attempt to project those upon others.
[/quote]
Agreed…but even his personal preference doesn’t show a disagreement with what I wrote…which is why I asked him the question.
He seemed to think that being heavier now somehow will keep him from a great physique later…even though he made more progress recently than in many years past.
[/quote]
going into more detail about what we are disagreeing on is just going to start a pointless arguement- we’ve had enough of that here lately
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
going into more detail about what we are disagreeing on is just going to start a pointless arguement- we’ve had enough of that here lately
[/quote]
Yeah, we call those “discussions” as long as you keep it professional.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
but, what if his goal is to have a great physique?- if thats the case id say he’s hit the ceiling (or gone over) for allotted fat gain in the name of gaining muscle…but thats just my opinion :)[/quote]
Why would pushing to get heavier now keep him from an ultimate goal of a great physique?[/quote]
lol im not gonna go there,
agree to disagree on this one?
op seems to be happy with his progress so i encourage him to keep givin er[/quote]
What are we disagreeing on?
[/quote]
Personal preference, of course.
But this is exactly what this latest generation of young posters here often seems to forget: that while they consider a non-lean/ripped look to represent an “unfinished product,” there are others who don’t see it at their way at all and prefer the ‘full house’ look. In other words, there is no fact-of-the-matter.
For me, staying lean happens to be in-line with my goals/preferences.
And I would only be making a mistake when I attempt to project those upon others.
[/quote]
If you see the full house look to be and end product, youre not bodybuilding imo. It’s half the equation. Nothing wrong with that though.
I am weighing in here on getting bigger and gaining weight or cutting. Its all about preferences, I am going to start cutting soon even though I am not big enough. I am doing it mostly because I have always been on the fat side of things and want to see what a lean version of me looks like. On the other hand, I dont have any issue with getting big by gaining excess weight, it may be harder to lose when it comes down to it but if that is the way you get biggest, than fuck it, gain the weight.
Lets all be honest here… The “Full house” look is just a made up term for chubby.
If guys prefer to not do cardio and diet and want to carry an extra layer of fat then so be it but making up a new term for it isn’t fooling anyone.
Anyway… Marz, I think the added benifits from pushing your weight up from 257-265 will be virtually nill. If your plan is to just “bulk up” 8 more pounds then cut, why not just cut now? How much muscle do you think you’ll put on with that added 8 lbs? You’re already a big guy. When you’re already carrying a good amount of muscle, and aren’t a newb, the amount that you can realistically hope to gain is minimal.
Look at the very detailed contest prep log of The Mighty Stu. He put on 3 lbs in a year? (Something like that)
Unless you’re using AAS. In that case you can disregard most of my post lol.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Lets all be honest here… The “Full house” look is just a made up term for chubby.
[/quote]
Well, the real problem is that not everyone agrees with your opinion. I do not consider “full house” to be “chubby”.
Maybe if more realized that not everyone agrees with their strict definitions, there will be less arguments here.
Agree that going from mid-250s to 265 is probably not advisable, but Marz that is great progress and big congrats man.
One other thing to be mindful of, Marz, is that because you were once very overweight, those fat cells will always be there, which will presumably make keeping things somewhat in line more important.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Lets all be honest here… The “Full house” look is just a made up term for chubby.
If guys prefer to not do cardio and diet and want to carry an extra layer of fat then so be it but making up a new term for it isn’t fooling anyone.
Anyway… Marz, I think the added benifits from pushing your weight up from 257-265 will be virtually nill. If your plan is to just “bulk up” 8 more pounds then cut, why not just cut now? How much muscle do you think you’ll put on with that added 8 lbs? You’re already a big guy. When you’re already carrying a good amount of muscle, and aren’t a newb, the amount that you can realistically hope to gain is minimal.
Look at the very detailed contest prep log of The Mighty Stu. He put on 3 lbs in a year? (Something like that)
Unless you’re using AAS. In that case you can disregard most of my post lol.[/quote]
Funny you should say that, i started AAS 3 weeks ago not tryna hide it, not guna lie about it. My log is over in the steroid section. I’ve gained 22lbs in the last 3 weeks and a 1/2 inch on my waist.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Lets all be honest here… The “Full house” look is just a made up term for chubby.
If guys prefer to not do cardio and diet and want to carry an extra layer of fat then so be it but making up a new term for it isn’t fooling anyone.
Anyway… Marz, I think the added benifits from pushing your weight up from 257-265 will be virtually nill. If your plan is to just “bulk up” 8 more pounds then cut, why not just cut now? How much muscle do you think you’ll put on with that added 8 lbs? You’re already a big guy. When you’re already carrying a good amount of muscle, and aren’t a newb, the amount that you can realistically hope to gain is minimal.
Look at the very detailed contest prep log of The Mighty Stu. He put on 3 lbs in a year? (Something like that)
Unless you’re using AAS. In that case you can disregard most of my post lol.[/quote]
Oh and i totally agreee with your post, if i wasn’t on AAS i would definitely be cutting, i am on board with the limited amount of muscle gain a seasoned lifter can make. Totally agree with you on this.