Just wanted to say that I was writing concerning LISS, not something HIIT-style. Intuitively at least, HIIT seems like it makes a lot more sense for natural lifters on a cut (isn’t Stu an advocate of this?).
I get what you are saying. And George Farah even shares similar ideals, although he is assisted as fuck. haha
But anyways in a broscience kind of way it does make a lot of sense that a bit of cardio can help you partition calories better.
I really do not want to mess this up but I probably will. Just recently dabbling with understanding this kind of stuff.
when you do a lot of endurance stuff you increase AMPk which inhibits mtor, mtor signals protein synthesis. Although when consuming a surplus of calories and paying attention to your nutrition around your workouts I suppose this can be avoided atleast to a smaller scale and would be much more of a worry on a cut rather than on a bulk.
But then again there are a few people here doing either cardio 7 days a week or multiple hours of cardio a day and still maintaining muscle and not all of them are assisted.
[quote]Delta31 wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
Where in the North East are you from? I am from Newcastle[/quote]
Newcastle 
wallsend to be exact [/quote]
Nice to see some more geordies on here.
I’m almost positive that I think I’m big, but in reality I’m just fat lol. I would like to recomp some, but not cut. I’ve developed a literal phobia of weighing less than 200lbs.
BTW thanks to you guys posting some helpful tips on diet and cardio and such in the thread!
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]hb50p wrote:
Any Tabata doer ?[/quote]
Not true tabata, no, but I’ve done complexes and extremely high rep sets either for time or total reps. [/quote]
What veg did you eat while
On ya cut?i find veg boring but we need it lol
You look good on the lower back,what did you do for ab work?
[quote]Delta31 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]hb50p wrote:
Any Tabata doer ?[/quote]
Not true tabata, no, but I’ve done complexes and extremely high rep sets either for time or total reps. [/quote]
What veg did you eat while
On ya cut?i find veg boring but we need it lol
You look good on the lower back,what did you do for ab work?
[/quote]
I eat a ton of veggies, but I love them so I haven’t really gotten bored with them. Nowadays though I eat many the 5% ones (really low carb).
I honestly haven’t done a ton of ab work in the past. When I did, I’d just throw in some fallouts or front squat hold type stuff.
[quote]BIG-GEORDIE wrote:
[quote]Delta31 wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
Where in the North East are you from? I am from Newcastle[/quote]
Newcastle wallsend to be exact [/quote]
Nice to see some more geordies on here.[/quote]
Where ya from mate?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Delta31 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]hb50p wrote:
Any Tabata doer ?[/quote]
Not true tabata, no, but I’ve done complexes and extremely high rep sets either for time or total reps. [/quote]
What veg did you eat while
On ya cut?i find veg boring but we need it lol
You look good on the lower back,what did you do for ab work?
[/quote]
I eat a ton of veggies, but I love them so I haven’t really gotten bored with them. Nowadays though I eat many the 5% ones (really low carb).
I honestly haven’t done a ton of ab work in the past. When I did, I’d just throw in some fallouts or front squat hold type stuff. [/quote]
Like broccoli?and such? I eat 500 Grams daily
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
no worries at all bro, this is a bodybuilding forum
yes i was on steroids, yes i am still on steroids, yes i will continue to be on steroids (:[/quote]
Wow…thats the ballsiest, most commendable statement on a bodybuilder forum. Respect.
Honesty is usually far and few between, especially on the internet. Anyway, this thread is great a real eye opener
To those people that throw out audacious numbers and percentages and come up short. Now I’m really watching myself, not get caught up in numbers, but the end result.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
no worries at all bro, this is a bodybuilding forum
yes i was on steroids, yes i am still on steroids, yes i will continue to be on steroids (:[/quote]
Wow…thats the ballsiest, most commendable statement on a bodybuilder forum. Respect.
Honesty is usually far and few between, especially on the internet. Anyway, this thread is great a real eye opener
To those people that throw out audacious numbers and percentages and come up short. Now I’m really watching myself, not get caught up in numbers, but the end result.[/quote]
which i dont get, on a bodybuilding forum it should not be some ballsy thing to simply admit that you use.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
no worries at all bro, this is a bodybuilding forum
yes i was on steroids, yes i am still on steroids, yes i will continue to be on steroids (:[/quote]
Wow…thats the ballsiest, most commendable statement on a bodybuilder forum. Respect.
Honesty is usually far and few between, especially on the internet. Anyway, this thread is great a real eye opener
To those people that throw out audacious numbers and percentages and come up short. Now I’m really watching myself, not get caught up in numbers, but the end result.[/quote]
which i dont get, on a bodybuilding forum it should not be some ballsy thing to simply admit that you use.
[/quote]
This being said by someone too young to fully appreciate the potential ramifications of admitting to using.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Delta31 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
yep just happened to me
was at 225lbs at 5’9 strongfat, hired shelby, ended up around 175 lmao
figured id be a jacked 190… NOPE
it’s humbling[/quote]
Where you pretty jacked at 175lbs?
How was your experience with Shelby?
I am down 22lbs I look a lot smaller but probably need to lose another 22lbs lol or more before it starts to look ripped…
Its awful :S Feels like you work all your life to get big then all of a sudden you are just fat lol
Oh no[/quote]
http://asp.elitefts.net/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=182739
left, 225, right 170-175.
was a miserable experience, but it was my own fault for being so out of shape.
miserable, but it got it done, Shelby killed me, and im happier than ever before that i worked with him… can’t even tell you how happy.
4 years to get that fat… 13 weeks to lose it, thanks to him. Now im working with him in the offseason for 52 weeks and loving every second of it
guy is an incredible asset[/quote]
Great work man…really impressive.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
no worries at all bro, this is a bodybuilding forum
yes i was on steroids, yes i am still on steroids, yes i will continue to be on steroids (:[/quote]
Wow…thats the ballsiest, most commendable statement on a bodybuilder forum. Respect.
Honesty is usually far and few between, especially on the internet. Anyway, this thread is great a real eye opener
To those people that throw out audacious numbers and percentages and come up short. Now I’m really watching myself, not get caught up in numbers, but the end result.[/quote]
which i dont get, on a bodybuilding forum it should not be some ballsy thing to simply admit that you use.
[/quote]
This being said by someone too young to fully appreciate the potential ramifications of admitting to using.
[/quote]
Exactly. It’s a far more complicated thing. Especially when people abuse the term 101% natty when it most cases it’s not true. thats where the respect is.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
no worries at all bro, this is a bodybuilding forum
yes i was on steroids, yes i am still on steroids, yes i will continue to be on steroids (:[/quote]
Wow…thats the ballsiest, most commendable statement on a bodybuilder forum. Respect.
Honesty is usually far and few between, especially on the internet. Anyway, this thread is great a real eye opener
To those people that throw out audacious numbers and percentages and come up short. Now I’m really watching myself, not get caught up in numbers, but the end result.[/quote]
which i dont get, on a bodybuilding forum it should not be some ballsy thing to simply admit that you use.
[/quote]
This being said by someone too young to fully appreciate the potential ramifications of admitting to using.
[/quote]
they can’t prove anything!!! lol
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
no worries at all bro, this is a bodybuilding forum
yes i was on steroids, yes i am still on steroids, yes i will continue to be on steroids (:[/quote]
Wow…thats the ballsiest, most commendable statement on a bodybuilder forum. Respect.
Honesty is usually far and few between, especially on the internet. Anyway, this thread is great a real eye opener
To those people that throw out audacious numbers and percentages and come up short. Now I’m really watching myself, not get caught up in numbers, but the end result.[/quote]
which i dont get, on a bodybuilding forum it should not be some ballsy thing to simply admit that you use.
[/quote]
This being said by someone too young to fully appreciate the potential ramifications of admitting to using.
[/quote]
are you always this condescending?
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Would love to hear Stu, BlueCollar, or any other more experienced person’s opinion, particularly if they’ve tried both. I’ve honestly never bulked without cardio. I’m 210 right now and want to hit 225, planning on doing cardio througout for better or worse.[/quote]
I know you think I’m small, weak, and ghey but I did have great success during my contest prep doing almost nothing but HIIT training of various sorts (Prowler pushing/pulling, prowler sprints, metabolic work like med ball throwing/jumping/oly lifting)
As far as I can tell, and my pictures bear this out, I ended up gaining a bit of mass in my shoulders and kept or gained strength throughout my prep, so it worked for me like gang busters.
The only caveat I would say is that I would advise some form of workout drink during the exercise bouts as I think this helps avoid catabolism and promote anabolism.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I get what you are saying. And George Farah even shares similar ideals, although he is assisted as fuck. haha
But anyways in a broscience kind of way it does make a lot of sense that a bit of cardio can help you partition calories better.
I really do not want to mess this up but I probably will. Just recently dabbling with understanding this kind of stuff.
when you do a lot of endurance stuff you increase AMPk which inhibits mtor, mtor signals protein synthesis. Although when consuming a surplus of calories and paying attention to your nutrition around your workouts I suppose this can be avoided atleast to a smaller scale and would be much more of a worry on a cut rather than on a bulk.
But then again there are a few people here doing either cardio 7 days a week or multiple hours of cardio a day and still maintaining muscle and not all of them are assisted.[/quote]
So you think like doing 15minutes of SS cardio 3-4 weeks when bulking would be more damage than help when bulking?
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Dude I am guilty.
At 5’8 and 250lbs with 19 inch arms I thought I was the man, ha little did I know my bf was around or over 30%.
I thought I would be shredded at 210…
here I am at 204 and I barely have a 4 pack and sub 18 inch arms.
I’m going to end up having a 9-10% look by the end of this and I could very well be under 190 and closer to 180.
[/quote]
I am 5’8" and weighed 168.8 this morning at 10% BF…just as an idea. Maybe I calipered myself too high but I doubt it.
[quote]mutantcolors wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Dude I am guilty.
At 5’8 and 250lbs with 19 inch arms I thought I was the man, ha little did I know my bf was around or over 30%.
I thought I would be shredded at 210…
here I am at 204 and I barely have a 4 pack and sub 18 inch arms.
I’m going to end up having a 9-10% look by the end of this and I could very well be under 190 and closer to 180.
[/quote]
I am 5’8" and weighed 168.8 this morning at 10% BF…just as an idea. Maybe I calipered myself too high but I doubt it.
[/quote]
calipers are very flattering
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Delta31 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
yep just happened to me
was at 225lbs at 5’9 strongfat, hired shelby, ended up around 175 lmao
figured id be a jacked 190… NOPE
it’s humbling[/quote]
Where you pretty jacked at 175lbs?
How was your experience with Shelby?
I am down 22lbs I look a lot smaller but probably need to lose another 22lbs lol or more before it starts to look ripped…
Its awful :S Feels like you work all your life to get big then all of a sudden you are just fat lol
Oh no[/quote]
http://asp.elitefts.net/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=182739
left, 225, right 170-175.
was a miserable experience, but it was my own fault for being so out of shape.
miserable, but it got it done, Shelby killed me, and im happier than ever before that i worked with him… can’t even tell you how happy.
4 years to get that fat… 13 weeks to lose it, thanks to him. Now im working with him in the offseason for 52 weeks and loving every second of it
guy is an incredible asset[/quote]
Great work man! I’m sure that was a mindfuck losing that much weight.