[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
People break records and achieve great things all the time without first believing it was possible. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard an athlete or person who broke a record or achieved something great say something to the effect of, “When I first started out I never would have believed this was possible.”
On this flip side you have all kinds up-and-comers who think they are pretty dang awesome and believe they are sure to be the next Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Barry Bonds, or Ronnie Coleman. Then they get to the elite level and are disappointed to find out they are actually an average pro.[/quote]
Dear Lord.
There is a reason the first women in certain careers and the first blacks in certain careers are held as significant. It is because they broke a perceived barrier.
Less people in general will ever TRY to do something if the prevailing notion is that it is “impossible”…even if more can actually do it.
I already know you will keep arguing…but to say this isn’t the case just means there is no point in arguing further with you.[/quote]
You’re comparing genetic, biological limits to the institutional barriers of racism and sexism that were imposed by other humans.[/quote]
Wrong. I am comparing perceived limitations to the same concept with physical barriers.
It takes extreme effort and extreme commitment to reach an extreme level of development. Few will get there even if they can…because it takes that much work and belief in self.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
X has written before that he would likely compete around 230 pounds. Not sure if he still believes that, but that is what he wrote at one point. [/quote]
lol…[/quote]
This is honestly why I told him to be careful about using himself as an example. He likes to use himself as an example, and then skirt questions about what he actually thinks his LBM is (will not answer Gregron’s question), and now is being laughed at because he, at one point in time, thought he would compete at 230 pounds.
I actually agree with him on the limitations point - no one thought a sub 4 minute mile was doable until Bannister…then everyone was doing it. But that doesn’t mean it hurts people to have more realistic expectations, either. He is saying let progress decide what your limits are. We’re saying the same thing, and we’re also pointing out the progress for everyone in the history of natural bodybuilding suggests 80 lbs of LBM added is not realistic.
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?? First, you are lying. I never said what I think I would compete at. My exact statement was that if I ever put forth the effort, my goal would be to compete around 230lbs or I wouldn’t bother competing.
I had and have no desire to compete in a contest for a plastic trophy just to say I did it. It had nothing to do with my current condition…which for the record is after a motorcycle accident.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
People break records and achieve great things all the time without first believing it was possible. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard an athlete or person who broke a record or achieved something great say something to the effect of, “When I first started out I never would have believed this was possible.”
On this flip side you have all kinds up-and-comers who think they are pretty dang awesome and believe they are sure to be the next Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Barry Bonds, or Ronnie Coleman. Then they get to the elite level and are disappointed to find out they are actually an average pro.[/quote]
Dear Lord.
There is a reason the first women in certain careers and the first blacks in certain careers are held as significant. It is because they broke a perceived barrier.
Less people in general will ever TRY to do something if the prevailing notion is that it is “impossible”…even if more can actually do it.
I already know you will keep arguing…but to say this isn’t the case just means there is no point in arguing further with you.[/quote]
You’re comparing genetic, biological limits to the institutional barriers of racism and sexism that were imposed by other humans.[/quote]
Wrong. I am comparing perceived limitations to the same concept with physical barriers.
It takes extreme effort and extreme commitment to reach an extreme level of development. Few will get there even if they can…because it takes that much work and belief in self. [/quote]
Few will get there no matter how much they believe.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
X has written before that he would likely compete around 230 pounds. Not sure if he still believes that, but that is what he wrote at one point. [/quote]
lol…[/quote]
This is honestly why I told him to be careful about using himself as an example. He likes to use himself as an example, and then skirt questions about what he actually thinks his LBM is (will not answer Gregron’s question), and now is being laughed at because he, at one point in time, thought he would compete at 230 pounds.
I actually agree with him on the limitations point - no one thought a sub 4 minute mile was doable until Bannister…then everyone was doing it. But that doesn’t mean it hurts people to have more realistic expectations, either. He is saying let progress decide what your limits are. We’re saying the same thing, and we’re also pointing out the progress for everyone in the history of natural bodybuilding suggests 80 lbs of LBM added is not realistic.
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?? First, you are lying. I never said what I think I would compete at. My exact statement was that if I ever put forth the effort, my goal would be to compete around 230lbs or I wouldn’t bother competing.[/quote]
You know the difference between lying and being mistaken, right? I’m not going to look for the post (it was years ago, when you were called out on BB.com of all places) but go fuck yourself, I’m not a liar.
[quote]I had and have no desire to compete in a contest for a plastic trophy just to say I did it. It had nothing to do with my current condition…which for the record is after a motorcycle accident.
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It had to do with your condition at the time, IIRC. And at the time you did have an interest to compete, I’m not sure how strong the interest was, but you wrote about checking out a local competition to see how you’d stack up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wrong. I am comparing perceived limitations to the same concept with physical barriers.
It takes extreme effort and extreme commitment to reach an extreme level of development. Few will get there even if they can…because it takes that much work and belief in self. [/quote]
Serious question: With your medical and biological background, do you believe that human beings, in lieu of individual variations, and psychological effort etc, are capable of unlimited physical growth, or is there some finite limit that must eventually be reached no matter who you’re talking about?
S
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Few will get there no matter how much they believe.[/quote]
Exactly…so why hold even more back by telling them they can’t?
Genetic ability doesn’t mean someone will reach it. It still takes hard work…something that no matter how much you deny it, is affected by what you think you can achieve.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wrong. I am comparing perceived limitations to the same concept with physical barriers.
It takes extreme effort and extreme commitment to reach an extreme level of development. Few will get there even if they can…because it takes that much work and belief in self. [/quote]
Serious question: With your medical and biological background, do you believe that human beings, in lieu of individual variations, and psychological effort etc, are capable of unlimited physical growth, or is there some finite limit that must eventually be reached no matter who you’re talking about?
S[/quote]
No, unlimited growth is what cancer is.
What I do believe is that many of these notions of “limits” are VARIABLE and AGE RELATED.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
You know the difference between lying and being mistaken, right? [/quote]
Doesn’t matter. You jumped in here and made a claim as if it were truth…and didn’t say, “I think he said.”. That is the difference between not being certain and lying.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
You know the difference between lying and being mistaken, right? [/quote]
Doesn’t matter. You jumped in here and made a claim as if it were truth…and didn’t say, “I think he said.”. That is the difference between not being certain and lying.[/quote]
I’m still pretty sure I know what you wrote, although I could be mistaken.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
You know the difference between lying and being mistaken, right? [/quote]
Doesn’t matter. You jumped in here and made a claim as if it were truth…and didn’t say, “I think he said.”. That is the difference between not being certain and lying.[/quote]
I’m still pretty sure I know what you wrote, although I could be mistaken. [/quote]
Then quote it or shut the hell up. What good is saying I said something but getting the quote wrong just so you can make jokes?
I posted pics of me at 285lbs NOT fat. Believe what you want.
My avatar right now is after two surgeries and a year of rehab after a motorcycle accident when I nearly lost my eye. Anyone laughing at my progress after that when most humans wouldn’t have been lifting ANYTHING can kiss my ass.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I personally don’t see that is odd for a regular weight lifter who stays in the gym 6 days a week for over a decade to carry 210lbs of lean body mass at that weight.
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^^100% agree. It wouldn’t be odd for a dedicated weightlifter who stays in the gym 6 days a week for over a decade to carry 210lbs of lean body mass. That would actually be pretty impressive.
You do realize that being 305 and carrying 210lbs of LBM would put you over 30% BF right.[/quote]
I didn’t say those were my numbers. [/quote]
So what were you?
220lbs of LBM? 28% BF
230lbs of LBM? 25% BF
240lbs of LBM? 21% BF
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?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I personally don’t see that is odd for a regular weight lifter who stays in the gym 6 days a week for over a decade to carry 210lbs of lean body mass at that weight.
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^^100% agree. It wouldn’t be odd for a dedicated weightlifter who stays in the gym 6 days a week for over a decade to carry 210lbs of lean body mass. That would actually be pretty impressive.
You do realize that being 305 and carrying 210lbs of LBM would put you over 30% BF right.[/quote]
I didn’t say those were my numbers. [/quote]
So what were you?
220lbs of LBM? 28% BF
230lbs of LBM? 25% BF
240lbs of LBM? 21% BF
[/quote]
?[/quote]
Dude, you are here for laughs and jokes. You won’t like or accept the answer. So keep asking.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I personally don’t see that is odd for a regular weight lifter who stays in the gym 6 days a week for over a decade to carry 210lbs of lean body mass at that weight.
[/quote]
^^100% agree. It wouldn’t be odd for a dedicated weightlifter who stays in the gym 6 days a week for over a decade to carry 210lbs of lean body mass. That would actually be pretty impressive.
You do realize that being 305 and carrying 210lbs of LBM would put you over 30% BF right.[/quote]
I didn’t say those were my numbers. [/quote]
So what were you?
220lbs of LBM? 28% BF
230lbs of LBM? 25% BF
240lbs of LBM? 21% BF
[/quote]
?[/quote]
Dude, you are here for laughs and jokes. You won’t like or accept the answer. So keep asking.[/quote]
I might not like or accept it but I would like to know.
CT stated he has probably put on around 45 lbs of muscle due to training. CT has more muscle than PX imo. Yet PX has added 80lbs of muscle due to training. Somehow PX has added 35 lbs more muscle than CT has. And looking at the visual difference 35lbs of muscle makes (Dex vs. Stu), somethig isn’t quite adding up. But for the most part, we all know this.
It’s one thing to say you shouldn’t set limits on others, but I don’t think it’s necessary for one to inflate there own stats to make that point.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
You know the difference between lying and being mistaken, right? [/quote]
Doesn’t matter. You jumped in here and made a claim as if it were truth…and didn’t say, “I think he said.”. That is the difference between not being certain and lying.[/quote]
I’m still pretty sure I know what you wrote, although I could be mistaken. [/quote]
Then quote it or shut the hell up. What good is saying I said something but getting the quote wrong just so you can make jokes?
I posted pics of me at 285lbs NOT fat. Believe what you want.
My avatar right now is after two surgeries and a year of rehab after a motorcycle accident when I nearly lost my eye. Anyone laughing at my progress after that when most humans wouldn’t have been lifting ANYTHING can kiss my ass.[/quote]
I think you look pretty good, but that’s not what we’re discussing, is it? You used yourself as an example, and then use vague terms like “not fat” and refuse to answer questions about how high you think your body fat was.
I commend you for how good you look after a serious accident, I’m not kidding about that. You still lift hard and that is respectable. But that doesn’t give you a free pass in claiming something and then not backing it up.
You want me to find a quote to prove what you wrote? That’s fine, I’ll go look. While I’m looking, I’d like you to definitely prove what you have accomplished or take a note from your own post and “shut the hell up”. Let’s play by the same rules here, ok?
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
to take this discussion in a different direction—you need 80 lbs of lean mass to look amazing
here is a pic of brian whitacre who competes at below 170 lbs
www.brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/MM%201.jpg
someday i hope to achieve a physique like that[/quote]
I like this post. BBing isn’t about adding 80 lbs of muscle, but looking like you have gained 80 lbs of muscle, or something like that.
EDIT: Whitacre has and never will come close to adding 80 lbs of muscle due to training as a natty. I also think it’s clear to him that he will never compete at a weight near 200 lbs. However, somehow someway, I don’t think it has held him back in his efforts and accomplishments.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
CT stated he has probably put on around 45 lbs of muscle due to training. CT has more muscle than PX imo. Yet PX has added 80lbs of muscle due to training. Somehow PX has added 35 lbs more muscle than CT has. And looking at the visual difference 35lbs of muscle makes (Dex vs. Stu), somethig isn’t quite adding up. But for the most part, we all know this.
It’s one thing to say you shouldn’t set limits on others, but I don’t think it’s necessary for one to inflate there own stats to make that point. [/quote]
Agreed. CT also said to X in one of the videos that he’d probably have to lose at LEAST 50 pounds to be close to competition weight.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
CT stated he has probably put on around 45 lbs of muscle due to training. CT has more muscle than PX imo. Yet PX has added 80lbs of muscle due to training. Somehow PX has added 35 lbs more muscle than CT has. And looking at the visual difference 35lbs of muscle makes (Dex vs. Stu), somethig isn’t quite adding up. But for the most part, we all know this.
It’s one thing to say you shouldn’t set limits on others, but I don’t think it’s necessary for one to inflate there own stats to make that point. [/quote]
Agreed. CT also said to X in one of the videos that he’d probably have to lose at LEAST 50 pounds to be close to competition weight. [/quote]
but he doesnt care about competing for a plastic trophy just to say he did it ;)**
**not sure if reading BODYBUILDING forum anymore
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Reading Gregron and X go back and forth all the time reminds me of my two dogs. They fight and wrestle all day long. Sometimes it seems like one actually gets really mad and starts going at the other really hard, and sometimes it seems like they both are just pushing the limits with eachother.
I always assume they are just messing around in good fun but for the most part, i can never really tell how much of it is ‘playing’ and how much of it the two of them really going after the other one. Either way, i cant help but look away and I am so damned entertained.
I think the only exception is i dont see gregron and X cuddling up next to eachother on the couch after a good fight and cheeseburger. [/quote]
lol.
What kind of dogs do you have?
Just an FYI, BB.com has deleted that entire thread. 