[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
My belly serves too many purposes for me to get rid of it lol! its a perfect spot for my remote control.
As Steely said about his wife, my wife as well is not into skinny dudes and likes me big and bulky and Im happy to try and oblige her. [/quote]
Dammit, you so sexxay MattyXL[/quote]
I think I speak for everyone when I say post more 405 front squat vids along with italian recipes.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I donât think anyone is saying contest lean or fat are the only two options. Obviously you (and this is for SteelyD as well, though heâs more worried with strength so not as much) have spent a ton of time putting on mass. The videos in Colorado indicate you are developed, and have an impressive physique for a lifter. And if you donât want to diet down to contest levels thatâs fine.
But I guess I wonder why you wouldnât want to at least get to that 10-12% range (I know just arbitrary numbers, but you know what I mean).While dieting to that isnât a walk in the park, it wouldnât be all too hard either. Look at guys like CT Fletcher, rocked the âfull houseâ look for awhile, and now that he is cut, looks great. I mean, itâs not business of mine whether or not youâre âusingâ, but even if you are, itâs doubtful that youâre going to put on 15-20 lbs of LBM in the next year. Thatâs not an insult, but a compliment; youâre too advanced for that.
Otherwise youâd be a lean 340 in a few years haha. At a lower BF%, it would be much easier to really appreciate and see the visual enhancement a few lbs of muscle a year will make to your physique, at least more so then you probably could now.
And youâre not really a strength athlete, so youâre not just chasing numbers. So I feel like getting lean would be a whole new world of âprogressâ for you. Once you got past that weird stage where youâre not as big, but not as lean as youâd want, where you feel flat, whatever, and get into the low teens/high single digit BF, I feel youâd LOVE it.
Youâre delts, back, arms, chest, all developed, so itâs not like youâre going look âsmallâ. If anything youâll look a shit ton bigger do the illusion of such a smaller waist. Yeah, you may only fill out an XL instead of and XXL, but seriously who cares?
Obviously you can just tell me to fuck off, Iâm small, I wouldnât understand, whatever. But I just think you would be 10x more impressive by taking 2 months to just cut, and be done with it. Youâve had the âfull houseâ look for awhile, why not just try the âleanerâ look for awhile? If you donât like it, youâll be able to put all that mass back in less then half the time. Idk, just food for thought I supposeâŠ[/quote]
Well, first, I am leaner than I was in CO. That was 2 years ago. I made a lot of progress since then even with it taking me nearly a year to recover from that motorcycle accident.
While I will eventually work on getting even leaner than this, right now it doesnât matter to me. The ONLY place people seem to have such a problem with how I look and not see the progress made is this site.
The girl I am with now likes me like this. The people I see daily give compliments.
Why change that to make people on the internet happyâŠeven though all they seem to focus on is shit from two years ago and ignoring progress made?
Thatâs not telling you to fuck offâŠI just donât understand the mentality.
I cold see if my waist was over 40" or somethingâŠbut it isnât.
Are we talkin actual taped waist measurement here or pant size?
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This whole phrase of âlook good nakedâ is, IMO, just a justification for small lean dudes to justify their inability to get big.
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I will totally agree with this. Sure most people would think that as a competitive bodybuilder that Iâd always take the package over size option, but letâs be serious for a moment. No one wants to be ripped at a buck 20. There are some natural guys out there who, while ripped yes, seem to forget that you need to build an appreciable amount of muscle to âlook goodâ.
Bodybuilding is NOT a dieting contest. Of course neither is it a weight lifting contest
Good threadâŠ
S
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And Stu, just to be totally clear, that wasnât meant to be a dig at guys who are sub 200 and lean, especially not directed at guys of your caliber. I donât fall into any particular âcampâ (lean gain vs bulk vs whatever), I just do what seems to work for my lifestyle and life constraints at this time.
Some of the things I type probably counter your approach to things, and thatâs OK, but I totally respect every word you type on these boards. If I ever decide to pull the trigger and go on stage in a banana hammock, youâre the first guy Iâm contacting!!!
Thank you for your continued wisdom on these boards.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
My belly serves too many purposes for me to get rid of it lol! its a perfect spot for my remote control.
As Steely said about his wife, my wife as well is not into skinny dudes and likes me big and bulky and Im happy to try and oblige her. [/quote]
Dammit, you so sexxay MattyXL[/quote]
I try I try 
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
thanks.
my point is, if i have one, that i would put people who are the size of marzouk, x, steely d, savage nation, maurader meat, etc, as people whos size impresses the heck out of me,
but as far as who I would want to look like when i am taking the shirt off at the beach, or in the bedroom with my lady, i would rather look like you gregron, or davinci, or bluecollartraning, cortez, zzraw, etc.
not sure if that makes sense or not.
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I am extremely humbled that you would even think to think of me to make that compliment and doubly humbled that you would place me in that group of people you listed.
Thank you.
I donât disagree with what you wrote about âend physiqueâ, but with qualification.
My goal 5 years ago was to get a big and as strong as I possibly could in 3-5 years accepting that I would likely gain some fat. Having just lost 70 lbs in several months at the time, it was a risk I was ready to take-- and would do again.
To me, a big squat and a big bench (for comps) are as or more important than abs, and equally important as big arms, quads, and especially a big yolk. Yes, this is the bodybuilding forum but the boundaries are gray (IMO).
Contrary to popular belief as supplement companies and mensâs mags would have you believe, there are some women (like my hot wife) who like BIG men, not extra medium metrosexuals with abs and âa new haircutâ. Not that thereâs anything wrong with that, but it certainly allows some leway as Iâm not out to impress chicks. Thatâs not to say âobeseâ is OK, either.
This whole phrase of âlook good nakedâ is, IMO, just a justification for small lean dudes to justify their inability to get big. Again, not that thereâs anything wrong with it, but the idea that someone doesnât think you look good naked because youâre not RIPPED is absurd.
I get off on the fact my bench and squat bends the bar sitting on the rack. I do that for ME ,not women, not TN, not my wife. I get off on the fact people approach me about lifting while Iâm in my clothes, which is 99% of the time. Iâm quite comforatable with myself at the beach with no shirt, and have had people approach me about lifting as well (not to ask me if Iâve been beached and would I like to be put back in the water and would I like some krill).
Iâm taking the airline landing approach to cuttng-- you know how they announce the plane is now descending, but it takes another hour to get on the ground? It took 5 years to get big, no rush to come down.
For me, this is all about the long game. My physique now is just a snapshot point in time, itâs not the final destination. I can see the long goal and have the patience to do it.
Thanks for reading.
TL;DR
My man crush on you continues to grow lol
I second what that other poster said⊠More delicious recipes and pictures!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also know these women arenât complaining that there arenât veins on my abs right now.[/quote]
Itâs a little weird that I noticed my first ab vein yesterday.
To each his own. My goal right now is to bring a road map with me wherever I go.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Are we talkin actual taped waist measurement here or pant size?[/quote]
? If you are referring to me, my waist is not 40". I am not talking about pants measurement. That should be evident from my pictures also.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also know these women arenât complaining that there arenât veins on my abs right now.[/quote]
Itâs a little weird that I noticed my first ab vein yesterday.
To each his own. My goal right now is to bring a road map with me wherever I go.[/quote]
Good for youâŠand the progress you have made has been good.
My goal is to carry a physique that gets âholy shitâ comments when I walk in the door.
I just donât see someone calling me âfatâ in this conditionâŠ
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also know these women arenât complaining that there arenât veins on my abs right now.[/quote]
Itâs a little weird that I noticed my first ab vein yesterday.
To each his own. My goal right now is to bring a road map with me wherever I go.[/quote]
An veins? Nice man!
I think the whole âI donât get complaints from womenâ argument is so lame.
Of course a woman who is interested in you isnât going to complain to your face about your body. Heck she might not even be upset about it but you can bet your ass that if you were still big but had abs she would like that better.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also know these women arenât complaining that there arenât veins on my abs right now.[/quote]
Itâs a little weird that I noticed my first ab vein yesterday.
To each his own. My goal right now is to bring a road map with me wherever I go.[/quote]
An veins? Nice man!
I think the whole âI donât get complaints from womenâ argument is so lame.
Of course a woman who is interested in you isnât going to complain to your face about your body. Heck she might not even be upset about it but you can bet your ass that if you were still big but had abs she would like that better.[/quote]
ButâŠyou can see the outline of my abs and Iâm not fat.
I could see if you guys were discussing someone with a 40+" waist who had a gut hangingâŠbut that isnât the case.
Women do NOT turn down a guy because one is â15%â and the other is â10%ââŠespecially if the guy who is 15% is way more muscular and they like that.
Who the hell cares what women like? Seriously?
Iâm married, my wife prefers me at the very soft 285 pounds I got to, but I am certainly not bulking up to that size again.
What the hell kind of site is this? Youâd think everyone talking about what women prefer are still in college.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Women do NOT turn down a guy because one is â15%â and the other is â10%ââŠespecially if the guy who is 15% is way more muscular and they like that.[/quote]
No one said anything contrary to this^^ thatâs called a strawman. If you take the same guy, same muscular size, and offer him to women at 10%bf and at 15%bf which will 99% of women chose?
Itâs pretty obvious.
As for the rest of your post⊠Ill just stay away from that.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Who the hell cares what women like? Seriously?
Iâm married, my wife prefers me at the very soft 285 pounds I got to, but I am certainly not bulking up to that size again.
What the hell kind of site is this? Youâd think everyone talking about what women prefer are still in college.[/quote]
Because others keep bringing it upâŠas if everyone here has the same physical goals.
Steely D summed it upâŠno one here has a goal of being obeseâŠbut that damn sure seem s to be what many here are telling other people we are saying.
This is a bodybuilding siteâŠand many seem to have forgotten the BUILDING part just so they can brag about how lean they are right now.
Yes, that is a decent topic on a site like thisâŠnot just what women wantâŠbut what we all want individually and why that is valid as well.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Women do NOT turn down a guy because one is â15%â and the other is â10%ââŠespecially if the guy who is 15% is way more muscular and they like that.[/quote]
No one said anything contrary to this^^ thatâs called a strawman. If you take the same guy, same muscular size, and offer him to women at 10%bf and at 15%bf which will 99% of women chose?
Itâs pretty obvious.
As for the rest of your post⊠Ill just stay away from that.[/quote]
??? Dude, first, many women today would actually choose the 15% guy because they think the idea of a high maintenance guy to be a little âgayâ or they donât want someone who is way more body conscious than they are.
The average woman is NOT anywhere near âfitness model statusâ. Sorry to break that to you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Who the hell cares what women like? Seriously?
Iâm married, my wife prefers me at the very soft 285 pounds I got to, but I am certainly not bulking up to that size again.
What the hell kind of site is this? Youâd think everyone talking about what women prefer are still in college.[/quote]
Because others keep bringing it upâŠas if everyone here has the same physical goals.
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lol.
Steely and then YOU were the first ones to talk about it and bring it up.
Once again, who gives a shit? Lifting for chicks is gay and it screams insecurity. Iâm just as vain as the next guy but I lift because I know how I want to look, it has nothing to do with what girls think is attractive.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Who the hell cares what women like? Seriously?
Iâm married, my wife prefers me at the very soft 285 pounds I got to, but I am certainly not bulking up to that size again.
What the hell kind of site is this? Youâd think everyone talking about what women prefer are still in college.[/quote]
Because others keep bringing it upâŠas if everyone here has the same physical goals.
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lol.
Steely and then YOU were the first ones to talk about it and bring it up.[/quote]
OKâŠso someone other than me brought it up, I responded and you have a problem with it why?
If it is on the table, it is open for discussion.
You also kept it going. Keep the thread on topic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Women do NOT turn down a guy because one is â15%â and the other is â10%ââŠespecially if the guy who is 15% is way more muscular and they like that.[/quote]
No one said anything contrary to this^^ thatâs called a strawman. If you take the same guy, same muscular size, and offer him to women at 10%bf and at 15%bf which will 99% of women chose?
Itâs pretty obvious.
As for the rest of your post⊠Ill just stay away from that.[/quote]
??? Dude, first, many women today would actually choose the 15% guy because they think the idea of a high maintenance guy to be a little âgayâ or they donât want someone who is way more body conscious than they are.
The average woman is NOT anywhere near âfitness model statusâ. Sorry to break that to you.[/quote]
Youâre just rambling and going off on a tangent again.
I said, offer them two of the exact same guys, side by side and see which they would choose based on their look. Which is more visually appealing.
10% is. Itâs not even a debate no matter how much inside womenâs info you have.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Once again, who gives a shit? Lifting for chicks is gay and it screams insecurity. Iâm just as vain as the next guy but I lift because I know how I want to look, it has nothing to do with what girls think is attractive. [/quote]
That is the pointâŠwe ALL are lifting because we like how we alone want to lookâŠbut I donât hear you jumping in to complain when others constantly call people fat when they arenât on this board.
There seems to be very selective bitching going on here.
