Think You Are Big But Just Fat

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^that makes sense.

I think everyone got into the game because they wanted to be big and strong because they saw someone (real life, movies or comics or something) and thought “man I wanna look like that guy!”

There was a time where I thought “I’m gonna get huuuuuuge!” but at 220 and some change I started having some knee pain and I felt slow/un athletic. Was it cool being “big” and having people make comments often? Yeah it was but, and I HATE to use this phrase, it wasn’t very functional/practical.

I didn’t look as good shirtless. I wasn’t able to do the things I liked to do as well as before (sports/active lifestyle) and I was having knee pains as a freakin 27 year old guy. F that lol

EDIT: not sure if this is sort of a ramble or not? Hopefully my point comes across.[/quote]

no ramble, makes total sense…i started falling apart in mid 30’s

if your having joint issues in your 20’s, then i say keep doing what ur doing, you look great and be healthy enough to continue to train in you 50’s believe me it will be here before you know it.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
^^that makes sense.

I think everyone got into the game because they wanted to be big and strong because they saw someone (real life, movies or comics or something) and thought “man I wanna look like that guy!”

There was a time where I thought “I’m gonna get huuuuuuge!” but at 220 and some change I started having some knee pain and I felt slow/un athletic. Was it cool being “big” and having people make comments often? Yeah it was but, and I HATE to use this phrase, it wasn’t very functional/practical.

I didn’t look as good shirtless. I wasn’t able to do the things I liked to do as well as before (sports/active lifestyle) and I was having knee pains as a freakin 27 year old guy. F that lol

EDIT: not sure if this is sort of a ramble or not? Hopefully my point comes across.[/quote]

no ramble, makes total sense…i started falling apart in mid 30’s

if your having joint issues in your 20’s, then i say keep doing what ur doing, you look great and be healthy enough to continue to train in you 50’s believe me it will be here before you know it.
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My knee is fine now after dropping down to 210-215 (avatar picture was 213 I think?)

I think I would like to get down to 200 and be a little more ripped. I know I’d look better but I’m sure I would feel better as well.

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ur pretty lean now, at 200 you would be ridiculous, if you did it right.

i thought i would be ripped at 205ish, but i have pics of me on my hup at 214-216, and i look like shit. realistically i prolly would need to get to 170-180ish to be ripped.

at 5’6" i would still be fairly big,

what do you think?

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What about Tabata? I read it is a good tool to get leaner.
Was it a lie?
Did most go on to a more recent fad?

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A lot of shit to take in here from everyone.

Good to hear from you HT as someone whos been there and done that shit, pretty inspiring stuff.

@Walkway - i only called it an estrogen blocker to kinda dumb down what i was saying, a lot of people here don’t know shit about AAS so saying Aromatase inhibitor prolly wouldn’t mean shit to anyone.

Wednesday next week will mark 4 weeks in. Guna slowly taper the cals off slightly and beggin cutting down for the last 8 weeks of my cycle.

Week 6 guna increase the Test E by 250mg and ill start cycling Clen from the start of week 5. This will give me 8 weeks to cut down.

@Gregron - i know what u mean about feeling sluggish, i was never the most nimble but it’s even worse now.

@ht 5’6 AT 180 i thin youd look pretty awesome

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

Ironmanzw, “getting flat” does not equate to muscle loss, glycogen loss yes, but not muscle. It is part of the dieting process, a demoralizing one indeed, but it is necessary. You certainly can lose muscle dieting with AAS, it depends on how hard you diet. 600mg of testosterone and a reasonable dose of t3 will help you to lose fat and maintain muscle mass assuming you aren’t overdoing the cardio, and your diet is solid. I prefer running Low test/High tren

Marzouk, i looked at your cycle, 22lbs in 3 weeks on test E/Dbol will be mostly dramatically increased glycogen storage and water weight, especially considering test E hasn’t fully “kicked in”, as it were. Though Dbol is a very potent compound. People lose weight rapidly post cycle especially if the cycle contains a “wet” compound like Dbol (testosterone can be considered “wet” as well, due to its high conversion to estrogen). This weight loss is due to glycogen loss, and water loss, not necessarily muscle loss. It is demoralizing seeing the scale go down, but keep things in perspective.

What im surprised… and to be honest, quite disturbed about, is that no one has mentioned insulin sensitivity. Having a high body fat percentage, as you do, is very bad for nutrient partitioning, as it were. Your body is far more inclined to store extra fat than it is to build lean mass. The leaner you are, the more your body will want to build lean mass, and the opposite is also true…

you want to be very sensitive to your body’s natural insulin production… which you aren’t as your BF is very high. For this reason, i would not recommend continuing with your “Bulk”, as your body is not primed for muscle gain, AAS or not. I would recommend that you begin “cutting” immediately, you will thank me later. AAS works better if you are leaner, and so does your body in general. Additionally, being that heavy/fat is unhealthy especially for things like blood pressure, lipids and triglycerides etc.

I saw that you consume whole milk post workout… I dont even know what to say about that… really bad choice. Dairy, milk especially, is quite insulinogenic, which is a bad thing if you are trying to stay sensitive to your body’s insulin production, which you should be for the aformentioned reasons…

I also saw that you said “if i weren’t on AAS, id be cutting right now”, also a very bad call… you do not want to gain weight with AAS, then try to cut naturally… it makes no sense, a very foolish friend of mine tried that, and let’s just say… he was VERY disappointed. “bulk” on aas, and cut on aas, or “bulk” naturally, and cut on aas.

also, there is no such thing as an “estrogen blocker”, you mean aromatase inhibitor… (sorry, but it’s just the lack of education regarding these serious compounds can be nauseating). Being fat increases your estrogen, so by reducing your estrogen via the implementation of an aromatase inhibitor, you wil drop water, and fat… water weight rather quickly, depending on how high your estrogen was prior to implementation of the AI.

ill post again if i see something missed… but there you have it (for now)
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Excellent post. LOTS of good advice right there.

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Yes great posts from all.gregron,H-thrower etc. and mr.walkway a great cut and like what was said already you are an asset here for sure.

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[quote]Marzouk wrote:
A lot of shit to take in here from everyone.

Good to hear from you HT as someone whos been there and done that shit, pretty inspiring stuff.

@Walkway - i only called it an estrogen blocker to kinda dumb down what i was saying, a lot of people here don’t know shit about AAS so saying Aromatase inhibitor prolly wouldn’t mean shit to anyone.

Wednesday next week will mark 4 weeks in. Guna slowly taper the cals off slightly and beggin cutting down for the last 8 weeks of my cycle.

Week 6 guna increase the Test E by 250mg and ill start cycling Clen from the start of week 5. This will give me 8 weeks to cut down.

@Gregron - i know what u mean about feeling sluggish, i was never the most nimble but it’s even worse now.

@ht 5’6 AT 180 i thin youd look pretty awesome[/quote]

for your cutting diet, i would remove all dairy, and begin to time your carbs around your workout, I.E. pre-workout, and peri-workout with a supplement that functions in a similar fashion to Biotests anaconda. Peri-workout nutrition is ESSENTIAL for growth AND recovery, you want to flood your body with nutrients during your workout.

post workout carbs are unecessary unless you are using insulin. Cutting them out of your post workout meal (and the rest of the meals that follow until the day is over) will DRAMATICALLY increase your insulin sensitivty and thus, your body’s inclination towards burning fat.

look up DAT’s carbless post workout for more info if you want.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
A lot of shit to take in here from everyone.

Good to hear from you HT as someone whos been there and done that shit, pretty inspiring stuff.

@Walkway - i only called it an estrogen blocker to kinda dumb down what i was saying, a lot of people here don’t know shit about AAS so saying Aromatase inhibitor prolly wouldn’t mean shit to anyone.

Wednesday next week will mark 4 weeks in. Guna slowly taper the cals off slightly and beggin cutting down for the last 8 weeks of my cycle.

Week 6 guna increase the Test E by 250mg and ill start cycling Clen from the start of week 5. This will give me 8 weeks to cut down.

@Gregron - i know what u mean about feeling sluggish, i was never the most nimble but it’s even worse now.

@ht 5’6 AT 180 i thin youd look pretty awesome[/quote]

for your cutting diet, i would remove all dairy, and begin to time your carbs around your workout, I.E. pre-workout, and peri-workout with a supplement that functions in a similar fashion to Biotests anaconda. Peri-workout nutrition is ESSENTIAL for growth AND recovery, you want to flood your body with nutrients during your workout.

post workout carbs are unecessary unless you are using insulin. Cutting them out of your post workout meal (and the rest of the meals that follow until the day is over) will DRAMATICALLY increase your insulin sensitivty and thus, your body’s inclination towards burning fat.

look up DAT’s carbless post workout for more info if you want. [/quote]

Pretty interesting stuff there, i’ll look into it in more detail. Thing is i workout at 9am and its usually fasted as well. I’ll take some carbs in the morning and during my workout with a source of protein. Obviously i’m guna listen you because that 13 week transformation was just ridiculous.

Basically, carbs pre/peri workout - lean meats/poultry and veggies, nuts etc for the rest of the day. While on cycle i think i could drop a lot of weight!

Wonder what changes i could expect for 8 weeks?

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881×392 60.1 KB

Since everyone else is self promoting.

Here is me from 240 to 191 over about 2 years.

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I was a fat 240, but the end result isn’t that bad.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was a “full house” 240, but the end result isn’t that bad.[/quote]

Edited for you.

Lookin good man. Do you feel better?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was a “full house” 240, but the end result isn’t that bad.[/quote]

Edited for you.

Lookin good man. Do you feel better?[/quote]

Let me put it this way. I will never again even approach the way I was at 240.

Better isn’t the right word. I’m a new person. Ran an easy 8 minute mile yesterday without breathing hard.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was a “full house” 240, but the end result isn’t that bad.[/quote]

Edited for you.

Lookin good man. Do you feel better?[/quote]

Let me put it this way. I will never again even approach the way I was at 240.

Better isn’t the right word. I’m a new person. Ran an easy 8 minute mile yesterday without breathing hard.[/quote]

Thats a pretty damn impressive transformation. Looking good!

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It’s funny, when I go on a ruck with a 50 pound pack now, I’m like, “damn, this was all me before”.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Lets all be honest here… The “Full house” look is just a made up term for chubby.
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Well, the real problem is that not everyone agrees with your opinion. I do not consider “full house” to be “chubby”.

Maybe if more realized that not everyone agrees with their strict definitions, there will be less arguments here.[/quote]

In the MEDICAL/HEALTHCARE community, 25% bodyfat is considered obese. What does that say about 20 to 24%? That it’s chubby/fat. (BMI is disregarded for athletes and lifters).

If someone doesn’t mind being chubby, so be it. Nothing wrong with that preference.

If someone doesn’t mind being obese and doesn’t make a public nuisance of themselves (eg, become disabled and need care because of their preference and intended actions–overeating) then that’s fine too. [/quote]

Just a note…but where did you see me define some range of “20-25%” or any specific number?

You were responded to well already…but the fact that you responded this way to my post shows a complete and almost intentional misunderstanding of what I am writing.

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
LOL at the abuse of the term “full house”. Good job Marzouk you’ll kill 'em when you cut. Also, Tren is no joke, I’m sweating just thinkin bout it.[/quote]

Thank you.

If you see someone who doesn’t impress you with the level of muscular development, that ain’t the “full house” we are talking about.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
OK, so i just read all the posts that came after my last one… and all i can say is

GOOD LORD!

alright, let me sift through this mess and help you guys out

Ironmanzw, “getting flat” does not equate to muscle loss, glycogen loss yes, but not muscle. It is part of the dieting process, a demoralizing one indeed, but it is necessary. You certainly can lose muscle dieting with AAS, it depends on how hard you diet. 600mg of testosterone and a reasonable dose of t3 will help you to lose fat and maintain muscle mass assuming you aren’t overdoing the cardio, and your diet is solid. I prefer running Low test/High tren

Marzouk, i looked at your cycle, 22lbs in 3 weeks on test E/Dbol will be mostly dramatically increased glycogen storage and water weight, especially considering test E hasn’t fully “kicked in”, as it were. Though Dbol is a very potent compound. People lose weight rapidly post cycle especially if the cycle contains a “wet” compound like Dbol (testosterone can be considered “wet” as well, due to its high conversion to estrogen). This weight loss is due to glycogen loss, and water loss, not necessarily muscle loss. It is demoralizing seeing the scale go down, but keep things in perspective.

What im surprised… and to be honest, quite disturbed about, is that no one has mentioned insulin sensitivity. Having a high body fat percentage, as you do, is very bad for nutrient partitioning, as it were. Your body is far more inclined to store extra fat than it is to build lean mass. The leaner you are, the more your body will want to build lean mass, and the opposite is also true…

you want to be very sensitive to your body’s natural insulin production… which you aren’t as your BF is very high. For this reason, i would not recommend continuing with your “Bulk”, as your body is not primed for muscle gain, AAS or not. I would recommend that you begin “cutting” immediately, you will thank me later. AAS works better if you are leaner, and so does your body in general. Additionally, being that heavy/fat is unhealthy especially for things like blood pressure, lipids and triglycerides etc.

I saw that you consume whole milk post workout… I dont even know what to say about that… really bad choice. Dairy, milk especially, is quite insulinogenic, which is a bad thing if you are trying to stay sensitive to your body’s insulin production, which you should be for the aformentioned reasons…

I also saw that you said “if i weren’t on AAS, id be cutting right now”, also a very bad call… you do not want to gain weight with AAS, then try to cut naturally… it makes no sense, a very foolish friend of mine tried that, and let’s just say… he was VERY disappointed. “bulk” on aas, and cut on aas, or “bulk” naturally, and cut on aas.

also, there is no such thing as an “estrogen blocker”, you mean aromatase inhibitor… (sorry, but it’s just the lack of education regarding these serious compounds can be nauseating). Being fat increases your estrogen, so by reducing your estrogen via the implementation of an aromatase inhibitor, you wil drop water, and fat… water weight rather quickly, depending on how high your estrogen was prior to implementation of the AI.

ill post again if i see something missed… but there you have it (for now)
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Outstanding post Walkway! I definitely agree that one should not bulk up on a cycle,(especially if holding lots of fat) then try to cut naturally(disaster). Although, I do think it’s possible to run a cycle doing a half bulk half cut 14 week cycle. The first 6 weeks bulk…the remaining 8 weeks cutting, while holding a calorie maintenance throughout your pct. Also, I think you did a wonderful job with your last cut cycle…Kudos to you my friend!

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I should say this too.

Physical changes aside, the cut was worth its’ weight in gold about what I’ve learned about myself. I learned far more about bodybuilding in a year of cutting than I did in the previous decade of endless bulking. I know what my body needs and how it works. Additionally, breaking the mental barriers I’d set up about being fat/big and being deathly afraid of getting smaller has opened my life and training to entirely new and wonderfully enjoyable worlds.

There is nothing wrong with getting a little chunky to get where you want to go. BUT there is a serious problem when your goal is to build an aesthetic physique and you spend a large portion of your life fat. It can ultimately become a mental and physical wall that prevents you from getting to the real goal. Everyone has their own story. I personally was 97 pounds as a freshman in high school and had/have huge insecurities about my size. If you have a plan, you have a deadline, and you commit yourself to doing what you claim, you can have great results.

That wasn’t how I got to 240. Even when I started cutting, that wasn’t me. I really didn’t admit to myself until I was already lean just how fat I was. I came down because I was “a bit soft” and I “will look much better if I drop 15 pounds.” Then 15 pounds later, I still look like crap. Well, maybe another 10-15 pounds. And on and on. Down at about 215, I finally start realizing I was just fat and it wasn’t until that point I finally stepped back, looked at myself and got committed to being lean, in shape, and healthy.

It’s kind of like the first time you put on glasses and realize you’re whole life was blurry up till then. Bulking like that can be a tool, but it can also be a trap. It took me a good year of actively dropping fat to get to a point of being happy with what I saw in the mirror WITHOUT having to make up “powerbelly” and “rather be fat and strong” excuses (as a note, I did this all as a natty). It’s just sad when I think about it. Now, I’ll be turning 30 in a couple of months, and for the first time in my life, I’m happy with my body.

I’d encourage anyone to step back, turn their back on any dogma, and honestly ask themselves what they want out of life, and what they would do to get there.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I should say this too.

Physical changes aside, the cut was worth its’ weight in gold about what I’ve learned about myself. I learned far more about bodybuilding in a year of cutting than I did in the previous decade of endless bulking. I know what my body needs and how it works. Additionally, breaking the mental barriers I’d set up about being fat/big and being deathly afraid of getting smaller has opened my life and training to entirely new and wonderfully enjoyable worlds.

There is nothing wrong with getting a little chunky to get where you want to go. BUT there is a serious problem when your goal is to build an aesthetic physique and you spend a large portion of your life fat. It can ultimately become a mental and physical wall that prevents you from getting to the real goal. Everyone has their own story. I personally was 97 pounds as a freshman in high school and had/have huge insecurities about my size. If you have a plan, you have a deadline, and you commit yourself to doing what you claim, you can have great results.

That wasn’t how I got to 240. Even when I started cutting, that wasn’t me. I really didn’t admit to myself until I was already lean just how fat I was. I came down because I was “a bit soft” and I “will look much better if I drop 15 pounds.” Then 15 pounds later, I still look like crap. Well, maybe another 10-15 pounds. And on and on. Down at about 215, I finally start realizing I was just fat and it wasn’t until that point I finally stepped back, looked at myself and got committed to being lean, in shape, and healthy.

It’s kind of like the first time you put on glasses and realize you’re whole life was blurry up till then. Bulking like that can be a tool, but it can also be a trap. It took me a good year of actively dropping fat to get to a point of being happy with what I saw in the mirror WITHOUT having to make up “powerbelly” and “rather be fat and strong” excuses (as a note, I did this all as a natty). It’s just sad when I think about it. Now, I’ll be turning 30 in a couple of months, and for the first time in my life, I’m happy with my body.

I’d encourage anyone to step back, turn their back on any dogma, and honestly ask themselves what they want out of life, and what they would do to get there.
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Holy sbit that was motivational. Even time i reach for a cookie i’ll think about this speech!