Has anyone ever trained their grip with 1 arm dead lifts for a 7" deficit with an overhand grip without hook grip?
I’ve done 1 arm deads, but what in the fuck is the point of the 7" deficit? It’s not going to be difficult for your back or legs since the weight will be so light given that you’re only gripping with one hand. So the increased range of motion serves only to lengthen the amount of time you’re having to hold it with one hand. Instead you could just pull it like normal and hold it for as long as you can at lockout or something right?
Nope. You ever shoot a machine gun on peyote? Shit’s fucking bad ass.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I’ve done 1 arm deads, but what in the fuck is the point of the 7" deficit? It’s not going to be difficult for your back or legs since the weight will be so light given that you’re only gripping with one hand. So the increased range of motion serves only to lengthen the amount of time you’re having to hold it with one hand. Instead you could just pull it like normal and hold it for as long as you can at lockout or something right?[/quote]
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I have done 1 arm deads and 1 arm suitcase deads, the latter works obliques in addition to grip. Never with a deficit though. I agree just hold the weight at the top or do multiple reps.
The radius of the plates is arbitrary. So why not do them from knee height. Or why not do them from mid-shin? Or why not just set the blocks/pins just a couple inches from lockout? I do wonder if different heights will hit the grip and upper back muscles differently. Maybe the ROM affects the grip demands differently because there’s actually velocity involved and it’s different when in addition to the just weight you throw in a velocity and acceleration rate and the duration of the velocity and accleration. It would be interesting to see some hard data on this.
To increase your range of motion so it’ll require more force.
Force=massxacceleration
acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared
mass= whatever weight you use in kilograms
The force of gravity is going to be constantly trying to make the bar go to the ground creating a force in Newtons. In order for you to hold the weight at the top you must make the net force on the vertical direction equal 0. Therefore it will not require more force to pick the weight up farther compared to holding it at the top for as long as possible. Physics ftw.
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
Force=massxacceleration
acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared
mass= whatever weight you use in kilograms
The force of gravity is going to be constantly trying to make the bar go to the ground creating a force in Newtons. In order for you to hold the weight at the top you must make the net force on the vertical direction equal 0. Therefore it will not require more force to pick the weight up farther compared to holding it at the top for as long as possible. Physics ftw.[/quote]
You’re oversimplifying. You also have to add the acceleration of the bar speed to gravity. I can actually hold more weight just standing than I can when I’m making the bar move up. There might also be some biomechanical issues to factor in. When you grip something hard, it’s not just your grip working but other muscles are firing too like your back and core.
Depending on from where you pick a weight up, this muscle firing pattern might change too because of the moment arms and angles involved. This also might be relevant when factoring in from where do you break the inertia of the still bar. There’s also the issue of momentum. As convenient as it would be if it was so F=MA won’t solve every weightlifting physics problem.
edit: Where’s Doubleduce when you need him!?
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Well played lol
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
Force=massxacceleration
acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared
mass= whatever weight you use in kilograms
The force of gravity is going to be constantly trying to make the bar go to the ground creating a force in Newtons. In order for you to hold the weight at the top you must make the net force on the vertical direction equal 0. Therefore it will not require more force to pick the weight up farther compared to holding it at the top for as long as possible. Physics ftw.[/quote]
You’re oversimplifying. You also have to add the acceleration of the bar speed to gravity. I can actually hold more weight just standing than I can when I’m making the bar move up. There might also be some biomechanical issues to factor in. When you grip something hard, it’s not just your grip working but other muscles are firing too like your back and core.
Depending on from where you pick a weight up, this muscle firing pattern might change too because of the moment arms and angles involved. This also might be relevant when factoring in from where do you break the inertia of the still bar. There’s also the issue of momentum. As convenient as it would be if it was so F=MA won’t solve every weightlifting physics problem.
edit: Where’s Doubleduce when you need him!? [/quote]
An increase in bar acceleration would factor into account if there were a hold at the top however I was under the impression that the two options that were presented were either a deficit pull or a timed hold. In the case of the timed hold there would most likely be enough net force exerted during the motion and the hold to equal the force just lifting the weight from a deficit. Also as far as acceleration of the weight is concerned the difference it would make to begin with would be dependent on how fast he can move.
If you looked at one’s ability to accelerate on a graph there would be a horizontal asymptote where the lifter cannot go any faster. With a load that should be fairly minimal compared to his 1RM he should be relatively unencumbered and will reach this point much more quickly, so if he can reach near maximal acceleration in a normal ROM there would not be much point to the increase.
As much as I have enjoyed the physics discussion I am now refusing to post on GripMasters threads any longer as they have started to annoy me. I will most definitely read any reply you may post however as I do find this conversation very interesting
Just get some fat gripz orange/extreme
I’ve done some 1 arm deads, but not for actually increasing my strength. It’s just for show, and it’s also unpractical.
Heavy rows, normal OH deadlifts and CoC have been the best for me. I’m now able to close CoC #3 and deadlift 350 pounds with 1 arm.
This was done at school in the morning when my grip is at the weakest. I’ve closed it at the gym with chalk.
Good luck!
@tyerkeen42 you’re incorrect. work= force x distance not force= mass x acceleration
[quote]GripMaster wrote:
@tyerkeen42 you’re incorrect. work= force x distance not force= mass x acceleration[/quote]
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both of those statements are true, but you didn’t say work, you said force. That’s why he said F=ma. That’s like literally the first formula you learn in physics.
^^^^^ this whole fucking thread is about the dumbest thing in this section right now. Well that and the other 3 threads this fucker has made.
@csulli F=MA is not used to determine how much force your muscles produce
If you don’t like my threads then gtfo
Or I can stay here and clutter it up with useless shit just like you do this board… Hmmm yeah so I think I’ll just say go fuck your self and I’ll stick around.
Stop measuring your dicks with formulas and start discussing grip strength. That would be useful, Reed.