Supplements for Hormone/Testosterone Balance

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
realizing the importance of vitamins i started doing some reading into vit C and E

have any of you guys used this for adrenal fatigue/ high e2?[/quote]

ive been taking 2-3g of vitamin c and 400IU of vitamin e for as long as i can remember. good stuff for general well being.[/quote]

should i worry about maybe getting too much from other supplements and my diet.

for vit c im getting 453mg from my diet and .5g in my animal pak multi plus my isopure protein shake says it has 50% of the DV

for vit E im only getting 8.7mg from my diet, 150 IU from my animal pak (d-a, d-b, d-y d- tocopherols and tocotrienols), and my isopure protein shake also says 50% of my dv

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
realizing the importance of vitamins i started doing some reading into vit C and E

have any of you guys used this for adrenal fatigue/ high e2?[/quote]

ive been taking 2-3g of vitamin c and 400IU of vitamin e for as long as i can remember. good stuff for general well being.[/quote]

should i worry about maybe getting too much from other supplements and my diet.

for vit c im getting 453mg from my diet and .5g in my animal pak multi plus my isopure protein shake says it has 50% of the DV

for vit E im only getting 8.7mg from my diet, 150 IU from my animal pak (d-a, d-b, d-y d- tocopherols and tocotrienols), and my isopure protein shake also says 50% of my dv[/quote]

lol no, vitamin c is water soluble. the only side effect youll get is some awkward uncontrollable bowels, but that doesnt happen until you hit over 10 GRAMS. when im sick i easily take 6-8g of vitamin c and feel great.

vitamin e alot of people recommend up to 800IU. i wouldnt worry about the amounts youre getting. vitamin e is a great antioxidant if you want to take an extra 400IU after workouts its cheap as shit to buy.

I am taking a zinc supplement with 30mg zinc monomethionine and 15mcg copper sebacate.

I take 3 caps a day in the morning on an empty stomach and have been doing this for about 2 weeks.

Does this seem like a good zinc supplement? (not sure if zinc and copper compete for absorption in these ratios)

Is it best to take all at once or to split up the doses? (I have no stomach issues when taking 90 mg in the morning on an empty stomach)

I just ordered some liquid zinc to test my zinc levels and get an idea if I need more or not.
Does this seem like a good strategy?

Thanks

What kind of zinc is it? Chelated?

For what it is worth I found out yesterday that a product will be released shortly that has every type of estrogen block and removal out in one pill. Everything from SGS to DIM to Turmeric to resveratrol…thats all I can say at the moment. We are writing a post for it and when its up I will link it.

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
For what it is worth I found out yesterday that a product will be released shortly that has every type of estrogen block and removal out in one pill. Everything from SGS to DIM to Turmeric to resveratrol…thats all I can say at the moment. We are writing a post for it and when its up I will link it. [/quote]

a new Biotest product?

started taking curcumin for my joints. Is this a phyto-estrogen?

edit, what i mean is on wiki it said it was a phyto estrogen

on another website it said it was effective against breast cancer and worked like nolva

on another forum for hairloss it said that it degrades androgen receptors.

so what the crap?

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
What kind of zinc is it? Chelated?
[/quote]

It doesn’t say it is on the bottle, but I looked it up and it says that Zinc Monomethionine is a form of chelated zinc.

I’m wondering if it’s good or bad that it has the copper in it because I googled it and found this info saying that this type of zinc does not affect copper blood levels.

"In zinc monomethionine, zinc is organically bound to a sulfur containing essential amino acid- Methionine. This provides a soluble, readily absorbable and easily retained source of Zinc.

Methionine has free radical scavenging activity by virtue of its sulfur atom, as well as its chelating ability. This anti-oxidant activity appears to account for its anti hepatotoxic activity.

Zinc monomethionine supplementation significantly increases plasma zinc levels without affecting plasma copper levels. This is important since high levels of zinc often reduce copper absorption."

paulie, ive been taking phosphatidylserine for 3 days now for cortisol, and lost 2 belt notches already. insane. blows rhodiola out of the water.

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
paulie, ive been taking phosphatidylserine for 3 days now for cortisol, and lost 2 belt notches already. insane. blows rhodiola out of the water.[/quote]

lol what? that is the most insane thing ever. sure it doesn’t have much to do with your recent diet?

lol yeah I don’t feel like the rhodiola is really doing much.

so what brand/source did you end up buying?

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
paulie, ive been taking phosphatidylserine for 3 days now for cortisol, and lost 2 belt notches already. insane. blows rhodiola out of the water.[/quote]

lol what? that is the most insane thing ever. sure it doesn’t have much to do with your recent diet?

lol yeah I don’t feel like the rhodiola is really doing much.

so what brand/source did you end up buying? [/quote]

i did a bunch of reading on blogs and people with high cortisol usually lose 7-10lbs in a week on phosphatidylserine. diet hasnt changed, if anything im sneaking in some carbs pre workout i wasnt before.

its just a brand from my health food store. 100mg 60 caps. i take 300mg post workout and 300mg before bed. but im looking for the powdered version now cause its expensive as fuck in pills.

i still take rhodiola in the morning cause it supposedly brings up low cortisol in the morning.

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
i still take rhodiola in the morning cause it supposedly brings up low cortisol in the morning.[/quote]

Cold showers or baths, high fat/high protein breakfasts and looking indirectly into the sun can do that too.

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
i still take rhodiola in the morning cause it supposedly brings up low cortisol in the morning.[/quote]

Cold showers or baths, high fat/high protein breakfasts and looking indirectly into the sun can do that too.[/quote]

lol wow. i take hot showers, skip breakfast, and dont look into the sun until late afternoon. what a disaster.

since this has kind of turned into the resident T-Nation hormone thread, have any of you guys heard of pyroluria? i saw it on chris kesser’s website and decided to do some googling.

What are the symptoms?

In general, the symptoms of pyroluria have a mysteriously intractable quality to them and may lead to lifelong issues with severe inner tension, ongoing anxiety, poor stress tolerance (with added stress of any kind making the symptoms worse), digestive issues and difficulty digesting protein, frequent colds and infections, joint pain or stiffness, acne, eczema or psoriasis, mood swings and reactivity, poor short term memory, and a tendency in many to lean towards being a loner?among many other potential symptoms.

During the synthesis of hemoglobin in the body there are waste products generated called kryptopyrroles. Kryptopyrroles don?t really serve any useful biological purpose and are normally excreted by most of us uneventfully. In someone with pyroluria, however, these kryptopyrroles don?t get excreted and will tend to build up?even more so under stress of any kind. It turns out that kryptopyrroles have a tendency to bind very strongly with things like zinc and vitamin B6, making them largely unavailable to the body?which is a very big problem. Zinc and B6, of course, are nutrients critical for the functioning of your entire body and mind?including your digestion, immune system, cognitive functioning and emotions. Over time deficiencies can really take their toll on the way you feel and function and have serious consequences. Often people will go for years suffering the effects of pyroluria regardless of what therapies they try or how well they eat.

Pyrolurics also have a greater than normal need for omega-6 fatty acids, particularly dietary arachidonic acid (AA?found readily in eggs, butter, red meat and liver) and the essential fatty acid GLA (gamma linolenic acid? found in supplements like black currant seed oil and evening primrose oil).

The really good news is that once diagnosed, pyroluria is very manageable with the use of disciplined supplementation?typically requiring large doses of zinc and B6 (liquid ionic zinc and a co-enzymated form of B6 known as ?P-5-P? tend to work best). Also typically some supplementation with GLA is also needed, along with a diet somewhat higher in sources of arachidonic acid. Sufficiency for zinc can be determined using a ?zinc tally? test and B6 sufficiency can be subjectively determined by the return of regular (remembered) dreaming. The ?bad news? is that some ongoing supplementation is needed indefinitely in order for symptoms to remain manageable long term?a small price to pay for real relief. Without appropriate supplementation symptoms ten to return again in a week or two.

With appropriate supplementation and stress management mild cases of pyroluria tend to respond quickly. More severe cases tend to experience gradual and incremental improvement over a period of several months.

Additional considerations for the pyroluric include the need for improving digestion and hydrochloric acid status (see chapter on digestion in my book, Primal Body-Primal Mind), avoidance of phytate-containing foods such as grains, legumes and soy, and the susceptibility to heavy metal toxicity from mercury, cadmium and copper. Where the restoration of zinc sufficiency is highly resistant one may need to pursue further testing to see if heavy metal toxicity is an issue.

PYROLURIA QUESTIONNAIRE

  1. Little or no dream recall

  2. White spots on finger nails

  3. Poor morning appetite +/- tendency to skip breakfast

  4. Morning nausea

  5. Pale skin +/- poor tanning +/- burn easy in sun

  6. Sensitivity to bright light

  7. Hypersensitive to loud noises

  8. Reading difficulties (e.g. dyslexia)

  9. Poor ability to cope with stress

10.Mood swings or temper outbursts

11.Histrionic (dramatic) tendency

12.Argumentative/enjoy argument

13.New situations or changes in routine (i.e., traveling) particularly stressful

14.Much higher capability and alertness in the evening, compared to mornings

15.Poor short term memory

16.Abnormal body fat distribution

17.Belong to an all-girl family with look-alike sisters

18.Dry skin

19.Anxiousness

20.Reaching puberty later than normal

21.Difficulty digesting, a dislike of protein or a history ofvegetarianism

22.Tendency toward being a loner and/or avoiding larger groups of people

23.Stretch marks on skin

24.Poor sense of smell or taste

25.Feel very uncomfortable with strangers

26.Frequently experience fatigue

27.A tendency to overreact to tranquilizers, barbiturates, alcohol or other drugs (in other words, a little produces a powerful response)

28.A tendency toward anemia

29.History of mental illness or alcoholism in family

30.Easily upset by criticism

31.Sweet smell (fruity odor) to breath or sweat when ill or stressed

32.Prone to acne, eczema or psoriasis

33.A tendency toward feeling anxious, fearful and carrying lifelong inner tension

34.Difficulty recalling past events or people

35.Bouts of depression or nervous exhaustion

36.Prone to frequent colds or infections

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Most Common Signs and Symptoms

Being anxious, shy, or fearful or experiencing inner tension since childhood, but hiding these feelings from others
Having bouts of depression or nervous exhaustion
Poor dream recall, stressful or bizarre dreams, or nightmares (low vitamin B6)
Excessive reactions to tranquilizers, barbiturates, alcohol, or other drugs, in which a little produces a powerful response (low vitamin B6)
Preferring not to eat breakfast, experiencing light nausea in the morning, or being prone to motion sickness (low vitamin B6)
White spots or flecks on the fingernails or opaquely white or paper-thin nails (low zinc)
Liquid zinc sulfate having a mild taste or tasting like water (low zinc)
Poor appetite or having a poor sense of smell or taste (low zinc)
Joints popping, cracking, or aching; pain or discomfort between the shoulder blades; or cartilage problems (low zinc)
Pale or fair skin or being the palest in the family, or sunburning easily, now or when younger
Disliking protein or having ever been a vegetarian or vegan
Being sensitive to bright sunlight or noise
Upper abdominal pain on your left side under the ribs or, as a child, having a stitch in your side as you ran
Frequent fatigue
Being prone to iron anemia or low ferritin levels
Tending to have cold hands or feet
Having frequent colds or infections, or unexplained chills or fever
Reaching puberty later than normal or having irregular menstruation or PMS
Having allergies, adrenal issues, or problems with sugar metabolism
Having gluten sensitivity
Neurotransmitter imbalances, especially low serotonin
For women, belonging to an all-girl family or having look-alike sisters
For men, having a mother from an all-girl family or a mother with look-alike sisters, or all the females in the motherâ??s family bearing a strong resemblance to each other
Avoiding stress because it upsets your emotional balance
Tending to become dependent on one person whom you build your life around
Preferring the company of one or two close friends rather than a gathering of friends; becoming more of a loner as you age
Feeling uncomfortable with strangers
Being bothered by being seated in the middle of the room in a restaurant
Being easily upset by criticism
Less Common Signs and Symptoms

Stretch marks or poor wound healing (low zinc)
Crowded upper front teeth, many cavities, or inflamed gums or wearing braces (low zinc)
Bad breath and body odor (or a sweet, fruity odor), especially when ill or stressed (low zinc)
Being prone to acne, eczema, herpes, or psoriasis
Reduced amount of hair on your head, eyebrows, or eyelashes, or prematurely gray hair
Difficultly recalling past events and people in your life
Focusing internally, on yourself, rather than on the external world
Tending to have morning constipation
Tingling sensations or muscle spasms in your legs or arms
Feeling stressed by changes in your routine, such as traveling or being in new situations
Your face looking swollen when youâ??re under a lot of stress
Cluster headaches or blinding headaches
One or more of the following: a psychiatric disorder, schizophrenia, high or low histamine, alcoholism, learning and behavioral disorders, autism, or Down syndrome
If you check off 15 or more items, especially the more common ones, itâ??s highly probable that you have pyroluria and will benefit from taking zinc and vitamin B6 supplements. I encourage you to be tested, but if this isnâ??t possible, or even if you donâ??t have pyroluria, supplementing with zinc and vitamin B6 may be worthwhile if you have a large number of these symptoms.

Hormonal balance is another aspect worth mentioning. It is intricately tied into digestive and neurobehavioral health and heavily influenced by deficiencies of Zinc, B6 and high copper levels. High oestrogen levels over stimulate aldosterone receptors, which in turn leads to copper retention, similarly to the stress response. Symptoms of high blood pressure, fluid retention through an increase in blood volume may be evident.

Diet has a profound affect on how you feel and behave. There is a tendency in Pyroluria towards high consumption of sugar/refined carbohydrate foods and alcohol, to compensate for low serotonin levels. Serotonin is the body’s natural anti-depressant, inducing a sense of well-being, calm, and confidence. Low serotonin levels are comomonly seen in Pyroluria due to the Vitamin B6 deficiency. Vitamin B6 (P5P) is a necessary coenzyme in the conversion of tryptophan to serotonin. Eating foods like cakes, chocolate, potato chips or ice-cream and drinking alcohol, are usually the first things we reach for when we are anxious, depressed or sad. These high sugar substances increase insulin production in order to lower our blood sugar levels. The high levels of insulin produced, flush out competing amino acids, allowing higher levels of the amino acid tryptophan to reach the brain. The end result is a boost of serotonin to elevate mood and reduce anxiety. There is some therapeutic benefit in treating Pyroluria with Tryptophan or 5HTP supplementation, especially if the patient suffers from depression, insomnia and craves sweets/carbohydrates.

Estrogen imbalance can also occur from inside the body; this is where hormones and digestion are intricately involved. When our digestive processes slow down, and we adopt unhealthy dietary principles, or ones that do not suit our genotype/constitution, our intestines can become a compost heap and putrefaction/fermentation ensues. Bacterial imbalance within our intestinal microbiota leads to production of toxic metabolites and a great deal of metabolic activity that is detrimental to our health. During putrefaction, the bacterial enzyme beta-glucuronidase is produced, causing an enterohepatic recirculation of estrogen, rather than elimination of excess levels, placing extra strain on the liver’s role of conjugating and eliminating oestrogen. This disease causing biochemical pathway, induced by poor diet, creates a state of oestrogen dominance within the body, increasing the risk of hormonally dependant cancers, hormonal disease, obesity, diabetes, circulatory disorders and much more. Supplementation with Calcium d-glucarate can support oestrogen reduction through inhibition of beta-glucuronidase activity. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is another natural compound obtained from the Brassica family, which can be used to inhibit oestrogen’s dominant effect in the body. It works by adjusting the pathways of oestrogen metabolism in favour of 2-hydroxy oestrone production, whilst simultaneously decreasing 16-alpha hydroxy oestrone levels. 2-hydroxy oestrone has been indicated through clinical studies as a protective biomarker against hormonally dependant cancers.

Symptoms of hypothyroidism; fatigue, depression, brain fog, constipation, dry skin, dry, thinning hair, weight gain, intolerance to cold, excessive menstrual flow, can also be seen in oestrogen dominant states. Estrogen has a similar chemical structure to the active thyroid hormone Triiodothyronine (T3) and can block receptors sites on the cell membrane, inducing a hypothyroid state. Copper also plays a part by disrupting the conversion of Thyroxine (T4) to T3. Addressing Copper, Oestrogen and stress levels can have a positive impact on regulating metabolic activity of the thyroid gland.

Chris Kresser: It always sounds funny to say it. So, let?s talk about this first because I think a lot of people haven?t heard of it, so I need to give a little background about the condition, and then we?ll come back to the copper-zinc ratio and how that relates to pyroluria. And then we?ll talk about more specifics about copper-zinc imbalance and what to do about it if you?re suffering from it, and how to identify it in the first place. So, pyroluria is a genetically determined chemical imbalance that involves a defect in hemoglobin synthesis, and hemoglobin is the protein, as I?m sure some of you know, that holds iron in the red blood cell and is responsible for delivering oxygen to the tissues. So, every cell and tissue in the body needs oxygen and glucose to function properly, and if you?re not getting oxygen to the tissues, as is the case with anemia, nothing is gonna work right. None of your cells are going to work right. It?s one of the first things that I look at when I do a case review and I run a comprehensive blood panel on my patients is oxygen deliverability and blood sugar regulation because those two are what I call deal-breaker issues, meaning if they?re are out of whack, nothing else that we do is gonna be very effective until we get those two systems working properly, so it?s really important and this is why pyroluria can be a really challenging condition to experience and to work with.

Chris Kresser: Well, you have to get a test. I can?t remember the name. I think it?s the mauve something or rather. So, people who have this condition produce too much of a byproduct of hemoglobin synthesis called kryptopyrrole, and kryptopyrrole has no known function in the body, and it is largely excreted in the urine, so the test that you get tests for the levels of kryptopyrrole, and if it?s too high, then that?s a sign that you have pyroluria. So, kryptopyrrole binds to vitamin B6 and zinc and makes them unavailable as co-factors in the enzymatic and metabolic processes that they participate in. And then excess kryptopyrrole also leads to a deficiency of arachidonic acid, or AA, which is an important fatty acid in the tissues. So, a lot of people with pyroluria will exhibit mild to moderate signs of B6 to zinc deficiency, and so that?s usually what happens. You know, they go to the doctor and they might be experiencing poor stress control, nervousness, anxiety, mood swings, just a lot of psychological symptoms like feeling really tense, or episodic anger is one of the kind of classic signs, like explosive temper, poor short-term memory, and depression because they can?t create serotonin well. Serotonin, of course, is a neurotransmitter that reduces anxiety and depression, and vitamin B6 is a rate-limiting factor; it?s an important factor in that last step of the synthesis of serotonin. So, if you don?t have vitamin B6, you can?t make serotonin properly, and people who have pyroluria don?t have enough B6 usually. So, let?s get back to the copper-zinc ratio and show how this relates to pyroluria. So, the body has a pretty elaborate system for managing and regulating the amount of trace minerals like zinc, copper, iron, manganese, and chromium in the blood, and what happens is if blood levels of any of these trace minerals are depleted, then we have a system for absorbing them from the diet, and then they are transported from the blood into cells if the cellular levels are inadequate, or they?re excreted from the body if blood and cell levels are sufficient or overloaded. That?s the way the system is supposed to work, but in various cases of either genetic diseases or diseases that have environmental causes, that system breaks down, so you get people either absorbing too much of a particular trace mineral more than they need, like with hemochromatosis, which we?ve talked about, or you get people that have deficiency of some of these key minerals, like zinc deficiency with pyroluria. One of the most common and important imbalances that we see in clinical practice with trace minerals is excess copper and deficient zinc. So, the ideal ratio between these two, if copper is in the numerator and zinc is in the denominator, would be 0.7 to 1, which means anywhere from 70% as much copper as zinc to even amounts of each. And one of the ways that you can recognize this or when you might suspect this, and this will tie into a future question that we?re gonna talk about a little bit later in the show, is that copper and zinc are not only minerals, but they?re also regarded as neurotransmitters in the brain. They have some of the functions of a neurotransmitter, so an imbalance in copper and zinc will lead to things like hyperactivity, ADHD, other kinds of behavioral disorders, and depression; and in fact, a lot of people who are labeled with autism and even paranoid schizophrenia, when they test their copper levels, they find out that they?re elevated. Then high copper can cause severe PMS. That?s another red flag for me where I?ll consider it. It can cause estrogen intolerance, and it can cause skin issues, so people with excess copper have a high incidence of acne or eczema, psoriasis, just sensitive skin in general, sunburn, people who are really apt to get sunburned even if they?re only out for a short period of time, headaches, poor immune function. Another characteristic sign is white spots under the fingernails, excess copper and deficient zinc, that can happen. And then elevated copper is a special problem for people with low blood histamine levels and overmethylators, and that can lead to anxiety and even panic disorders and paranoia and, in severe cases, hallucinations. So, as you can see, most of the effects are nervous system related, nervous and endocrine system, I would say, with particular impact on the brain and behavioral health. So, those are the things to look for when you?re considering copper-zinc imbalance as a potential issue.

Chris Kresser: Oh, yeah, it?s definitely serious. I mean, there?s a syndrome called Wilson?s syndrome that?s a severe excess copper problem. Actually you?ll see low copper in the blood, but you?ll see very high copper with a 24-hour urine test, and that can cause severe brain damage and difficulties. I have a friend who had Wilson?s syndrome, and when she first figured out, or when people around her first figured out what was going on, she had lost the ability to speak, and when she gained the ability to speak again, her voice was very slow and deliberate, and it was difficult to understand her, and she?s made a lot of progress and is feeling a lot better and is getting back to normal, but it was a pretty scary thing, and she ended up at the Mayo Clinic. So, yeah, this is definitely something to pay attention to.

That is a really good read and very easy to identify with.

by the way i found out my 24 hour cortisol test came aback in the 130s

the endo was saying that the norm for a person would be 50

i bought some ps immediately after haha.

my estradiol only dropped 2 points from 40 to 38

they forgot to test my total testosterone. I’m upset about this because yesterday I moved to Atlanta and now i have to find a new doctor

i eat a shit ton of carbs ha, should i switch to a high fat diet or is a higher carb diet better for high cortisol?

how much PS are you taking? i do 300mg post workout and 300mg before bed. havent slept this good in 4+ years. ive read a higher blood sugar causes higher cortisol, but working out on low carbs causes high cortisol too. a middle ground like low carb all day and some carbs around the workout would probably be best for optimal cortisol.

meats/nuts/berries breakfast, pro/fat lunch, then like 30-50g oats and a banana pre workout with a protein shake, then meat and rice/potatoes for dinner, and a shake or pro/fat meal before bed would be best in my eyes. insert green veggies where needed (salad, broccoli, spinach, etc).

ive done a shit load of research in the past few days, and apparently high cortisol backs up the body’s ability to excrete estrogens. so that might solve the estrogen problem too. and cortisol kills your testosterone and thyroid.

but on the other side you get guys who have low, low cortisol and it kills their thyroid and energy too lol, so theres a fine balance in between you gotta find with your PS dosage.

and after reading all those articles on pyroluria i decided to find out some symptoms of vitamin b6 deficiency, and weight gain/water retention is the number one side effect. as well as the inability to convert your carbs/protein/fats into usable energy. needless to say i hopped on an advance B complex with 100mg of P5P (vitamin b6 active form = to like 500mg-1000mg b6). b6 also lowers homocysteine levels which cause heart disease. its also dopaminergenic at the HPTA and lowers prolactin, which can raise testosterone. guys use 100-200mg of P5P on tren cycles to combat prolactin.

“actually was going to use it on cycle to keep homocysteine levels down which increases cardiovascular risks, which would be more of a problem on cycle. Also b6 seems to work for prolactin control since prolactin rises when you have a b6 defiecency. Progesterone out of balance can lower vitamin B6 levels even more than estrogen alone. B vitamins help maintain liver health too. The liver needs B vitamins to break down estrogen. If it can’t break down estrogen, the levels of estrogen increase. With B vitamins low, prolactin increases, leading to more breast tenderness. Vitamin B6 and zinc lower prolactin. So supplements with a B vitamin complex will help with the ratios and the sense of balance.”

alright enough babbling about vitamin b6 lol. could be from the b12 and b9 in the b complex too though. havent felt this much energy since i was 12. like im on 400mg of caffeine 24/7!

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
how much PS are you taking? i do 300mg post workout and 300mg before bed. havent slept this good in 4+ years. ive read a higher blood sugar causes higher cortisol, but working out on low carbs causes high cortisol too. a middle ground like low carb all day and some carbs around the workout would probably be best for optimal cortisol.

meats/nuts/berries breakfast, pro/fat lunch, then like 30-50g oats and a banana pre workout with a protein shake, then meat and rice/potatoes for dinner, and a shake or pro/fat meal before bed would be best in my eyes. insert green veggies where needed (salad, broccoli, spinach, etc).

ive done a shit load of research in the past few days, and apparently high cortisol backs up the body’s ability to excrete estrogens. so that might solve the estrogen problem too. and cortisol kills your testosterone and thyroid.

but on the other side you get guys who have low, low cortisol and it kills their thyroid and energy too lol, so theres a fine balance in between you gotta find with your PS dosage.

and after reading all those articles on pyroluria i decided to find out some symptoms of vitamin b6 deficiency, and weight gain/water retention is the number one side effect. as well as the inability to convert your carbs/protein/fats into usable energy. needless to say i hopped on an advance B complex with 100mg of P5P (vitamin b6 active form = to like 500mg-1000mg b6). b6 also lowers homocysteine levels which cause heart disease. its also dopaminergenic at the HPTA and lowers prolactin, which can raise testosterone. guys use 100-200mg of P5P on tren cycles to combat prolactin.

“actually was going to use it on cycle to keep homocysteine levels down which increases cardiovascular risks, which would be more of a problem on cycle. Also b6 seems to work for prolactin control since prolactin rises when you have a b6 defiecency. Progesterone out of balance can lower vitamin B6 levels even more than estrogen alone. B vitamins help maintain liver health too. The liver needs B vitamins to break down estrogen. If it can’t break down estrogen, the levels of estrogen increase. With B vitamins low, prolactin increases, leading to more breast tenderness. Vitamin B6 and zinc lower prolactin. So supplements with a B vitamin complex will help with the ratios and the sense of balance.”

alright enough babbling about vitamin b6 lol. could be from the b12 and b9 in the b complex too though. havent felt this much energy since i was 12. like im on 400mg of caffeine 24/7![/quote]

hm, i was just going to follow your dosing for a week or two then maybe try lowering it to just 300mg post workout. i just took my first 300mg dose now. I should have done more reading on it but my high cortisol test freaked me out.
im gonna get a b complex without a doubt noah steer reccomended that to me when i told him i was having issues.