i wonder if it works well with gse though
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
i wonder if it works well with gse though[/quote]
yea but you would lower the dose of both. say 200mg gse and 400mg resveratrol. they work synergistically ive read.
for hands down effectiveness with zero side effects though pes erase works in like a week. i just cant justify spending $40 a month on it and you have to cycle it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off. gse and resveratrol are cheaper and dont need to be cycled.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
i wonder if it works well with gse though[/quote]
yea but you would lower the dose of both. say 200mg gse and 400mg resveratrol. they work synergistically ive read.
for hands down effectiveness with zero side effects though pes erase works in like a week. i just cant justify spending $40 a month on it and you have to cycle it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off. gse and resveratrol are cheaper and dont need to be cycled.[/quote]
dude yeah iāve read nothing but good things about pes erase. The only thing that bothers me is that you have to keep cycling it over and over too bad there is no one time fix all supplement and I wonder about the long term side effects (which i have yet to try to look up)
im pretty set on bugging the shit out of my endo for a serm restart.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
i wonder if it works well with gse though[/quote]
yea but you would lower the dose of both. say 200mg gse and 400mg resveratrol. they work synergistically ive read.
for hands down effectiveness with zero side effects though pes erase works in like a week. i just cant justify spending $40 a month on it and you have to cycle it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off. gse and resveratrol are cheaper and dont need to be cycled.[/quote]
dude yeah iāve read nothing but good things about pes erase. The only thing that bothers me is that you have to keep cycling it over and over too bad there is no one time fix all supplement and I wonder about the long term side effects (which i have yet to try to look up)
im pretty set on bugging the shit out of my endo for a serm restart.[/quote]
bug him for some arimidex and youll be happy as a pea lol. if none of these herbal routes work im ordering research chem arimidex and calling it a day.
if you wanna do some reading this book has some great reviews. im thinking of just downloading the kindle copy for $10 and reading it on my computer.
[i]"Quote Verbatim from Dr Eugene Shippen from page 187 of The Testosterone Syndrome (world leading hormone expert)
It has long been known via classic zinc deficiency studies that demonstrated the dramatic interference with normal hypothalamic/pituitary function caused by it lack. Severe deficiency literally halted the changes of puberty in teenage boys, effects which rapidly reversed when zinc was restored to normal levels. There would be little need to write about such bizarre situations if zinc deficiency was rare. But National Health and Nutritional Surveys NHANES I, II and III performed over the last thirty years have consistently shown deficient intake in large segments of society.
Unquote
What is more impressive is the fact that the actual Ć¢??Androgen ReceptorĆ¢?? has two zinc domains. There are actually two zinc āfingersā joined to the hormone binding domain of the androgen receptor protein.
So zinc is coded into the actual androgen receptors protein!!!
To see this fact simply view page 59 figure 7 of Androgen Deficiency in the Adult Male (world leading hormone expert Malcolm Carruthers).
I shall say it again as it is quite dramatic;
Zinc is coded into the actual androgen receptor protein!!!
Another quote Verbatim from Dr Eugene Shippen page 187 of The Testosterone Syndrome.
ZincĆ¢??s other major role is its inhibitory effects on aromatase enzyme activity.
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Dr Shippen recommends supplemental zinc 50mg twice a daily for those will low testosterone or lowish testosterone and elevated estradiol until there is some symptomatic improvement and then 50mg a daily after that.
Now for men that do not have low testosterone 50mg of zinc a day would seem reasonable, certainly it can do no harm whatsoever.
I would recommend one that contains a trace of copper as too much zinc alone can imbalance your bodies levels of copper. If you cannot obtain this then you should take buy a copper supplement separately a take 2.4mg of copper per 50mg of zinc.
Another quote Verbtim from Dr Eugene Shippen, from page 191 of The Testosterone Syndrome.
Many men will restore a proper balance of testosterone to estrogen purely through the use of zinc."[/i]
hmm, i wonder if im taking optimal zinc, 30mg in the morning and 30 at night. (and 15 in my animal pack, but that is with a whole bunch of other vitamins with a full meal so it probably doesnāt get absorbed very well. But man iāll look into this book, it sounds pretty cool man
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
hmm, i wonder if im taking optimal zinc, 30mg in the morning and 30 at night. (and 15 in my animal pack, but that is with a whole bunch of other vitamins with a full meal so it probably doesnāt get absorbed very well. But man iāll look into this book, it sounds pretty cool man[/quote]
yea i do 30mg 2x a day and whatever is in my multi like 20mg. im thinking of doing 100mg now.
but the zinc in multis is zinc oxide and is poorly absorbed so it really doesnt count.
found this on another site. hopefully somebody on TRT or AAS can chime in about what they think.
[i]"IĀ“m very active on a big german anabolics dicussion board, which has a great member, whoĀ“s a medical doctor. HeĀ“s really into steroids and knows his stuff like few others. About a year ago, he suggested to use zinc supplements at high dosages when cycling test. I didnĀ“t buy it at first, nor did most of the other members.
Now, one year later, everybody uses zinc at 100-150mg/day as their only Anti-E. It works great up to 750mg test/week, by inhibiting aromatase activity as well as 5-alpha reductase (less dihydrotestosterone=less hair loss=good for prostrate) to a surprising degree.
This actually makes zinc an aromatase inhibitor, not an Anti-E.
On my first cycles of only 250mg test-E/week (second cycle 250 every 5 days) I experienced some bloat, sore nipples and buildup of fatty tissue around my nipples, I had to use nolva to get rid of that.
Now I use up to 750mg of test/week along with 150mg of a high quality zinc supplement and I donĀ“t even bloat one bit, my nipples are fine, and so is my prostrate.
It is used by hundreds of Juicers in Germany now, almost everybody reports great success.
On top of that, itĀ“s proven to be non toxic at those dosages, it helps to clear up skin (due to dihydrotestosterone reduction, I guess) and it costs next to nothing. ItĀ“s properties make it a must for post cycle recovery as well, the studies I will present clearly show that.
I was sceptical and so will you, but please give it a try, youĀ“ll be surprised.
I did some research and found lots of studies that indicate an inhibition of aromatase and 5-alpha reductase. Most were performed on rats, but thereĀ“s some on humans, but I couldnĀ“t find any about large dosages of test and zinc supplementation."[/i]
just get you some good TONGKAT ALI 200:1 dose per recommended and cycle off
after every bottle for two weeks
[quote]KENNYC1 wrote:
just get you some good TONGKAT ALI 200:1 dose per recommended and cycle off
after every bottle for two weeks[/quote]
whats a good source to get me some 200:1 extract? ive tried 100:1 and root powder. i love tongkat.
also stack tongkat ali with horny goat weed
i canāt post web addresses so just do premium tongkat ali it should take you where
you need to go. it needs to come from indonesian tongkat with a batch# and exp date on bottle
[quote]KENNYC1 wrote:
i canāt post web addresses so just do premium tongkat ali it should take you where
you need to go. it needs to come from indonesian tongkat with a batch# and exp date on bottle[/quote]
what dosage do you take? ive seen as low as 300mg a day and as high as 2400mg a day. most say 4 caps which is 1200mg a day, which makes a bottle only last a month and its pretty pricey shit compared to 100:1 and 50:1 extract.
i start with 1 300 mg in the morning with some chrysin a natural estrogen blocker
then after two weeks go to 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening before bed then finish out the
bottle then cycle off for two weeksā¦also cycle off every weekendā¦about 3 months for 100 caps
zinc is awesome what it does is signal your body to produce test when you stack tongkat and zinc you get a double wammy. tongkat frees bound test and zinc signals test productionā¦good stuff
for a real energy boost before workout that will last and no jitters try a shot about 1oz of pure organic apple cider vinegar 15min before workout it creates alkalinity in the body reducing the effects of lactic acidā¦
[quote]KENNYC1 wrote:
i start with 1 300 mg in the morning with some chrysin a natural estrogen blocker
then after two weeks go to 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening before bed then finish out the
bottle then cycle off for two weeksā¦also cycle off every weekendā¦about 3 months for 100 caps
[/quote]
chrysin never did shit for me. the bio availability is horrible unless you get the topical kind.
yeah dude, thinking about mega dosing the zinc at 90mg for a while (60mg in the morning on an empty stomach and 30mg at night with 400mg of magnesium 2-3 hours after my last meal)
I wonder if i should ask if i there is such thing as a zinc blood test before i do it to make sure i donāt like create some toxic imbalance.
edit: like this copper imbalance i keep reading about
although doing a quick google search some people are recommending 1mg per every kg of bodyweight.
and iāve even seen some people on other boards say theyāve taken 200-250mg a day. Wonder how that ended for them.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
yeah dude, thinking about mega dosing the zinc at 90mg for a while (60mg in the morning on an empty stomach and 30mg at night with 400mg of magnesium 2-3 hours after my last meal)
I wonder if i should ask if i there is such thing as a zinc blood test before i do it to make sure i donāt like create some toxic imbalance.
edit: like this copper imbalance i keep reading about
although doing a quick google search some people are recommending 1mg per every kg of bodyweight.
and iāve even seen some people on other boards say theyāve taken 200-250mg a day. Wonder how that ended for them.[/quote]
sounds weird but poliquin said a good way to determine your zinc status is the ridges on your fingernails. at 30mg a day i get ridges, but at 60mg theyre almost gone. i wonder if 90mg will get rid of them completely.
from poliquins site: āA strong relationship exits between zinc and copper. Too much of one can cause a deficiency in the other. Long-term use of zinc (including zinc in a multivitamin) should be accompanied by copper. For every 15 mg of zinc, include 1 mg of copper.ā if you search theres actually a good amount of copper in everyday foods like mushrooms, spinach, asparagus, nuts. but if youre not getting any copper in your multivitamin then you might want to use a copper supplement too.
also the zinc tally test is poliquins #1 theory for zinc status.
i ALSO read that being zinc deficient combined with high insulin levels makes for some aromatase activity. low carbs + zinc may be an option (the one im on now).
p.s. i got a blood test yesterday to see if GSE and zinc made any difference on testosterone and estradiol levels.
im about to post a couple pics.
i guess according to this (fitday- i weigh and note everything i eat) my copper to zinc ratio is pretty damn low anyways.
NOTE: this does not include the 6000 IU of VIT D3 a day, or my 60mg zinc a day, 400mg magnesium a day, as well as a half serving of Animal Pak multi vit(full serving is 2 paks i only take 1 pak).