[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
@ WBB
The more I’m reading the more I think your E2 problem is (could be) cortisol related. Taking HC has shown to work against aromatization. They even talk about it over at Crislers.[/quote]
Also, here is a quote from chilln:
"Your pregnenolone is keeping your pregnenolone and neurotransmitters and cortisol levels all in the higher ranges, which means your thyroid hormone T4 will convert into more T3 than reverse T3.
The increased levels of neurotranmsitters are required by the brain to process the increased information coming from peripheral tissues when metabolism is boosted.
Ie: too low neurotransmitters causes T4 to convert more into reverse T3 than T3, because then there’s less infornation for the brain to process.
The increased cortisol is required to work synergistically with the thyroid hormone T3 (after conversion from T4) in order to create the metabolism increase. The cortisol is mandatory, not optional. When cortisol is too low, then T4 will convert more into reverse T3 than T3."
I can imagine the same could work for test/E2. Not enough neurotransmitters causing more test to aromatize… I am purely guessing and have no scientific background info (lol). Just makes sense.[/quote]
it makes sense. ever since i started taking phoshphatidylserine to lower cortisol ive noticed a huge improvement in energy, mood, and water retention (estrogen side effects). as well as carbohydrate tolerance. i just got back from an all inclusive trip to the carribean eating tons, and tons, and tons of carbs and i actually lost a couple lbs. taking 400mg of PS 2x a day for 2 weeks now.
falling asleep at night is no challenge now and waking up in the morning and getting going is almost instantaneous. makes me think im starting to get my cortisol in the morning up and at night low.
i could also imagine high/low cortisol causing a downgrade in dopamine and serotonin, and with low dopamine, prolactin can increase and cause shitty low testosterone side effects.[/quote]
And another quote from chilln actually about E2:
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The most common reason why either E2 is high, or SHBG is high, or both E2 and SHBG are both too high, before commencing any hormone modulation therapy, is because there isn’t enough cortisol floating around to downregulate T metabolism adequately (usually because of age-related-hormonal-decline of our cortisol production line), so the body has to take evasive action to reduce T metabolism. It does this either by:
a) converting some of the available T into E2, because E2 downregulates T metabolism very strongly
or:
b) upregulating SHBG, because SHBG binds to T and effectively takes it out-of-service. -
When our body cranks E2 to downregulate T metabolism, the high E2 wreaks havoc with our neurotransmitter balance, in ways which ruin our erection performance. Our body produces optimum neurotransmitter balance when it synthesizes optimum amounts of cortisol via pregnenolone. HC supplementation does not restore our neurotransmitters.
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Increasing cortisol downregulates our T metabolism, which reverses any previous E2 and / or SHBG excesses which our body implemented due to too low cortisol.
*** While you probably think that you don’t want your testosterone metabolism downregulated at all, if you don’t use cortisol to do it, then your body will either:
a) synthesize E2 out of your T and then your body will use the E2 to downregulate your testosterone metabolism.
or:
b) crank your SHBG to downregulate your testosterone metabolism.
*** You cannot run away from downregulating your T. It must be done. And you must use cortisol to do it not E2 and not SHBG. Hence you may need your cortisol boosted to achieve this.
*** Males who think that they can “beat the system” by operating at low cortisol and taking arimidex to suppress E2, or taking nettle root extract to suppress SHBG, are doing this based on insufficient knowledge of hormones, because too low cortisol means too low pregnenolone, which means too low neurotransmitters. Having too low neurotransmitters means the brain cannot coordinate the larger volume of messages resulting from increased overall metabolism, which includes the increased volume of repair messages triggered by higher T metabolism."[/quote]
are you on hydrocortisone yet?
i dunno sometimes when i read some of the stuff from these anti-aging hormone replacement “gurus” it makes me cringe. most of them are just regular guys on forums who THINK they know what they are talking about. i.e. the forum where you got all this info from M.C.
through trial and error ive determined that all maladies in the body are caused by over-exercising and under eating, and that using supplements and meds is just a band-aid. think about it… does that body WANT to have low testosterone? no. does it WANT to have the estrogen of a woman? hell no. does it WANT to stop producing cortisol? no. does it WANT to lay in bed all day or exercise for 3 hours? no. for every hour you exercise you should be eating to compensate for it, and i feel that low carb doesnt allow that.
100% any and all of my problems were caused by low carbs. im on week THREE of eating upwards of 300-500g of carbs a day, with a relative drop in dietary fat and protein, and i dont even feel like i ever had low T, high E2, or messed up cortisol. and im losing fat and re-gaining muscle, strength is going through the roof.
i feel like im on some DAA, tongkat, tribulus, the whole nine yards and i take ZERO supplements now besides maybe a scoop of whey post workout and sometimes some zinc/mag before bed, and if i remember vitamin E&C post workout. if you eat a balanced diet and check your micronutrients in fitday, i see no reason to use a multivitamin either when youre getting 200-300% the RDA from food.[/quote]
oh wow i see you’re ideals have changed a bit. I remember you were on the Anabolic diet for a while and weren’t into logging foods.
definitely keep us updated on how you’re progressing.
I have another appointment soon with a brand new doctor. hopefully it goes well.
I’ll be honest though, I don’t really feel any symptoms anymore. stress has almost entirely left since i got out of the army. I don’t even get muscle cramps in my arms after working out hard anymore like i use to.
