Stop E-Warriors!

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It doesn’t even occur to them that some of the people with something to say may have a point.

That sounds a lot like you.[/quote]

LOL…and you have made a point that stands up to scrutiny? All you’ve done is state that some other author seems to think that insulin sensitivity is such a fragile and threatening condition that someone 15% is somehow less sensitive than someone at 10%. I doubt even that author believes this.

Take this fight to someone who didn’t earn a degree. You may just do well.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
We established I’m not really that small and even that doesn’t really matter.

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We did? [u][i]WE[/u][/i] established that? I posted your height and weight to establish that you weren’t that big.

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.

I didn’t read Roussell’s article, so I won’t even lump him in here, but you basically have a small handful of people who are “anti-bulk.” On the other hand, you have many, many more people who disagree. Those disagreeing seem to be mostly over 30 with 5, 10, 15 or more years experience lifting. If I were you, I might at least open my ears to what they were saying.

Additionally, I don’t know the extent of your elbow injury, but I’m sorry. I really feel bad for anyone who has to prematurely quit sports against his or her will.

And finally, this was a stupid thread to start.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Eielson wrote:
We established I’m not really that small and even that doesn’t really matter.

We did? [u][i]WE[/u][/i] established that? I posted your height and weight to establish that you weren’t that big.

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.

I didn’t read Roussell’s article, so I won’t even lump him in here, but you basically have a small handful of people who are “anti-bulk.” On the other hand, you have many, many more people who disagree. Those disagreeing seem to be mostly over 30 with 5, 10, 15 or more years experience lifting. If I were you, I might at least open my ears to what they were saying.

Additionally, I don’t know the extent of your elbow injury, but I’m sorry. I really feel bad for anyone who has to prematurely quit sports against his or her will.

And finally, this was a stupid thread to start.[/quote]

Honestly I don’t see that much of a disagreement in bulking, I see more of a disagreement in wording.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It doesn’t even occur to them that some of the people with something to say may have a point.

That sounds a lot like you.

LOL…and you have made a point that stands up to scrutiny? All you’ve done is state that some other author seems to think that insulin sensitivity is such a fragile and threatening condition that someone 15% is somehow less sensitive than someone at 10%. I doubt even that author believes this.

Take this fight to someone who didn’t earn a degree. You may just do well.
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Here are some reasons that have been listed.

[quote]Anti-Bulking Fact #1. Bulking-up diet programs won’t produce any more muscle growth than ingesting an ideal amount of nutrients. Sorry, but it’s simply not possible to force additional muscle growth by overfeeding.

Anti-Bulking Fact #2. Bulking up makes you more insulin resistant, which makes it harder in the long run to gain muscle. What happens is that carbohydrates will go preferentially to fat stores, not muscle tissue.

Anti-Bulking Fact #3. Bulking up will make it harder for you to get leaner because insulin resistance is hard to reverse. The fatter you get, the harder it becomes to get lean.

Anti-Bulking Fact #4. The fatter you get, the more aromatase enzyme your body will produce. In the extreme, getting fat could be considered a form of self-castration, as your own testosterone will be converted into the female hormone estrogen. If you’re a man and you enjoy wearing a bra, go right ahead and get fatter.

Anti-Bulking Fact #5. Getting fatter will ramp down the effectiveness of your thyroid hormone production. The fatter your abdominal wall gets, the less conversion of T4 to T3, the metabolically active form of thyroid.

Anti-Bulking Fact #6. The lower your percentage of body fat, the better your body gets at nutrient partitioning. This means that individuals with low body fat are more effective at storing the ingested nutrients in the muscle (as muscle tissue or glycogen) or in the liver (glycogen) and less effective at storing them as body fat. To put it in simpler terms, leaner individuals can eat more nutrients without gaining fat.

Anti-Bulking Fact #7. Getting fat increases the risk of dying from any cause, even terrorist attacks. I’m serious - you’re a bigger target and you can’t get out of danger as fast.[/quote]

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One more thing to the OP: you entered into the fray as an e-warrior, the very thing you are allegedly opposing. This is usually referred to as hypocrisy…

jpb

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If you are a fat shit stuffing your face may not be the answer. Everyone should understand this.

Putting an arbitrary 10% body fat limit on whether you should try to add muscle is just fucking silly.

It doesn’t really matter to my goals that some professional athlete was able to add 20 pounds of muscle without adding fat. I am not able to do the same even if I hire the services of whatever author suggests such a feat.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.
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15? He’s 15? That’s fucking hilarious. I have a T-shirt older than that.

I don’t know what is funnier, though - some nit-witted punk kid telling everyone to get off is idols’ dicks, or everyone else for trying to argue with kid.

To the OP: You are a fucking child. No one cares what you think, or who you worship. I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.

15? He’s 15? That’s fucking hilarious. I have a T-shirt older than that.

I don’t know what is funnier, though - some nit-witted punk kid telling everyone to get off is idols’ dicks, or everyone else for trying to argue with a kid.

To the OP: You are a fucking child. No one cares what you think, or who you worship. I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No one likes a mouthy brat.

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My bad; I didn’t know he was 15. I have five children and the youngest is 13. It does amaze me how wise the youngins’ are gettin’ these days…

jpb

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
We did? [u][i]WE[/u][/i] established that? I posted your height and weight to establish that you weren’t that big.[/quote]

I never said I was big. I said I wasn’t small.

That is exactly what I’m doing.

I’ve opened my ears to both sides of the argument and I’m still in between.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:

Anti-Bulking Fact #1. Bulking-up diet programs won’t produce any more muscle growth than ingesting an ideal amount of nutrients. Sorry, but it’s simply not possible to force additional muscle growth by overfeeding.

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You have 3 choice, over feed, under feed or eat the perfect amount. I am not perfect. When I try to gain I have to overfeed otherwise I don’t grow.

If you are obese, yes. A couple pounds of fat? I don’t think so.

Seems to be the same as point 2.

“in the extreme”. No one is advocating getting obese.

Once again talking about obesity instead of a few extra pounds of fat.

Then why is it that lean guys always fatten up when they start eating again? Shouldn’t you diet down to 3% and then only gain muscle from there? What am I missing?

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Anti-Bulking Fact #7. Getting fat increases the risk of dying from any cause, even terrorist attacks. I’m serious - you’re a bigger target and you can’t get out of danger as fast.[/quote]

ha ha.

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I love that we have the same argument in like 5 or 6 different threads right now.

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GODDAMN THIS TOPIC!

PENIS!!!

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I love that we have the same argument in like 5 or 6 different threads right now. [/quote]

Yup.

Since we’re repeating threads, I’ll repeat what I’ve asked.

Could anyone who’s achieved any appreciable size - say 230lbs+ - honestly tell us that they’ve used these methods to get to where they are? ANYONE?

Why advocate something when you yourself didn’t get their by those means? Aren’t we supposed to be helping eachother get bigger and stronger by sharing experiences of what’s worked for you?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.

15? He’s 15? That’s fucking hilarious. I have a T-shirt older than that.

I don’t know what is funnier, though - some nit-witted punk kid telling everyone to get off is idols’ dicks, or everyone else for trying to argue with kid.

To the OP: You are a fucking child. No one cares what you think, or who you worship. I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.

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I can’t know anything because I’m 15? I take math classes designed for the average 17 or 18 year old and get better grades in that class than a lot of them. If I’m 18 my opinion might matter, though? Without being any smarter? I guess I’m just too dumb to understand because I’m just a fucking child and you are an adult and what you say goes!

Look, I’ve given all of you guys credit for knowing more than me but I’m just saying that it doesn’t have to be one way or the other.

Also, the same thing could be said to you guys but just in a slightly different way. T-Nation authors could just all tell you to shut up because you are just free forum posters.

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If you bulk, the terrorists win.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I love that we have the same argument in like 5 or 6 different threads right now. [/quote]

I know. :frowning:

My topic didn’t work.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.

15? He’s 15? That’s fucking hilarious. I have a T-shirt older than that.

I don’t know what is funnier, though - some nit-witted punk kid telling everyone to get off is idols’ dicks, or everyone else for trying to argue with kid.

To the OP: You are a fucking child. No one cares what you think, or who you worship. I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.

I can’t know anything because I’m 15? I take math classes designed for the average 17 or 18 year old and get better grades in that class than a lot of them. If I’m 18 my opinion might matter, though? Without being any smarter? I guess I’m just too dumb to understand because I’m just a fucking child and you are an adult and what you say goes!

Look, I’ve given all of you guys credit for knowing more than me but I’m just saying that it doesn’t have to be one way or the other.

Also, the same thing could be said to you guys but just in a slightly different way. T-Nation authors could just all tell you to shut up because you are just free forum posters.[/quote]

Its about experience guy. No one cares what math class you have taken. You’re a little bit ahead of your grade level, who gives a flying fuck? America is dumbing down anyway.

This point is you haven’t been lifting weights long enough to make some claims about what you know “to be true”. You have not built any appreciable muscle mass outside of what puberty has brought you, so what makes you think you can tell a bunch of guys that are vastly larger and smarter than you in this thread (Prof X, RJ, Malontd, RSG etc etc) what works for gaining muscularity?

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Its about experience guy.[/quote]

Oh, well then basically all posters on here should shut up. I mean, T-Nation authors have way more experience training themselves and others.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
Also, the same thing could be said to you guys but just in a slightly different way. T-Nation authors could just all tell you to shut up because you are just free forum posters.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s good for business.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:

Look, kid, you’re 15 years old, you haven’t been training long, and you’re not going know anything about truly getting big. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re young. Don’t blindly follow what anyone says.

15? He’s 15? That’s fucking hilarious. I have a T-shirt older than that.

I don’t know what is funnier, though - some nit-witted punk kid telling everyone to get off is idols’ dicks, or everyone else for trying to argue with kid.

To the OP: You are a fucking child. No one cares what you think, or who you worship. I’ll tell you like I tell my kids: Shut the fuck up until someone pulls your chain. No on likes a mouthy brat.

I can’t know anything because I’m 15? I take math classes designed for the average 17 or 18 year old and get better grades in that class than a lot of them. If I’m 18 my opinion might matter, though? Without being any smarter? I guess I’m just too dumb to understand because I’m just a fucking child and you are an adult and what you say goes!

Look, I’ve given all of you guys credit for knowing more than me but I’m just saying that it doesn’t have to be one way or the other.

Also, the same thing could be said to you guys but just in a slightly different way. T-Nation authors could just all tell you to shut up because you are just free forum posters.[/quote]

Hey man, I think you have some really good points. Just because you’re not that experienced in lifting, doesn’t mean you can’t make more valid points than bigger more experienced people. After all, many of the writers for T-Nation are small LOL

Us mathematicians should stick together. There’s a guy in the “Rate My Physique” section who’s thinking along the same lines as you, it’s really interesting. He’s also a mathematician and against heavy bulking. Here you go:

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2321491