Stop E-Warriors!

I’m getting a little tired of this attitude where posters on here act like that if you don’t get fat then you can’t get bigger. Not saying that your opinion is wrong or right but it is extremely annoying. First you start flaming Shugart. Then you flame laroyal. Today, Mike Roussell came out with an article saying the same thing.

Those three guys all said the same thing so they are all morons? No. With those three all saying it there just might be some truth to it.

Even more annoying is the fact that with both Shugart and laroyal, you keep acting like they are avoiding your questions. In reality, they are just ignoring you childish little arguments.

Laroyal’s thread is on page 5, Shugart’s thread is on page 22. We know what you think about the topic. Let it go.

Who cares. Do what you want. Find what works for you. End of story.

So… you’re saying two things.

  1. There’s some credible evidence that getting and staying lean helps people get big and

  2. That the topic has been debated to death and we should all move on.

I agree with these two points, although I disagree with the venom you shoult it with.

I think it’s time to flame you.

I’ve got no problem with the other three.

e-warriors! come out and play!

OP, you know what’s worse than an e-warrior? An unwanted e-savior, which would be you in this case

As for the whole bulk thing, I think this quote from Stronghold in one of the Alpha threads sums it up best:

No one is saying you have to get fat. but if you think you can stay in contest shape or close to it, year round and make gains youre a fucking moron and id love to see someone actually do it. because last time i checked 12% bodyfat and being a little smooth wasnt considered fat.

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I think it’s time to flame you.

I’ve got no problem with the other three.[/quote]

Do your worst. I’m not too worried about it.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
I’m getting a little tired of this attitude where posters on here act like that if you don’t get fat then you can’t get bigger. Not saying that your opinion is wrong or right but it is extremely annoying. First you start flaming Shugart. Then you flame laroyal. Today, Mike Roussell came out with an article saying the same thing.

Those three guys all said the same thing so they are all morons? No. With those three all saying it there just might be some truth to it.

Even more annoying is the fact that with both Shugart and laroyal, you keep acting like they are avoiding your questions. In reality, they are just ignoring you childish little arguments.

Laroyal’s thread is on page 5, Shugart’s thread is on page 22. We know what you think about the topic. Let it go.[/quote]

This topic has been debated ad nauseum…by people quite a bit more qualified than you.

And they don’t need your help, put a cork in it bub.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
I’m getting a little tired of this attitude where posters on here act like that if you don’t get fat then you can’t get bigger. Not saying that your opinion is wrong or right but it is extremely annoying. First you start flaming Shugart. Then you flame laroyal. Today, Mike Roussell came out with an article saying the same thing.

Those three guys all said the same thing so they are all morons? No. With those three all saying it there just might be some truth to it.

Even more annoying is the fact that with both Shugart and laroyal, you keep acting like they are avoiding your questions. In reality, they are just ignoring you childish little arguments.

Laroyal’s thread is on page 5, Shugart’s thread is on page 22. We know what you think about the topic. Let it go.[/quote]

Lemme guess. You’re small?

Jesus Christ, not this again.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
Eielson wrote:
I’m getting a little tired of this attitude where posters on here act like that if you don’t get fat then you can’t get bigger. Not saying that your opinion is wrong or right but it is extremely annoying. First you start flaming Shugart. Then you flame laroyal. Today, Mike Roussell came out with an article saying the same thing.

Those three guys all said the same thing so they are all morons? No. With those three all saying it there just might be some truth to it.

Even more annoying is the fact that with both Shugart and laroyal, you keep acting like they are avoiding your questions. In reality, they are just ignoring you childish little arguments.

Laroyal’s thread is on page 5, Shugart’s thread is on page 22. We know what you think about the topic. Let it go.

Lemme guess. You’re small?[/quote]

Not really.

This issue has been beaten to death and I don’t want to get into it really but I will say that much of the discord stems from people talking about different populations and generalizing rules to everyone. When all the circumstances are stated explicitly and held constant, I don’t think there’s that wide of a margin between most experts on either side of this debate.

eg the methods that are most appropriate for a guy at a soft 160 with a given history are going to be different than those for someone at a lean 230 with a completely different history.

Different people are gasp different.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Eielson wrote:

Lemme guess. You’re small?

Not really.[/quote]

cough-bullshit-cough

I have an opinion. Someone on the internet disagrees with said opinion. Now I kill you.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Eielson wrote:
I’m getting a little tired of this attitude where posters on here act like that if you don’t get fat then you can’t get bigger. Not saying that your opinion is wrong or right but it is extremely annoying. First you start flaming Shugart. Then you flame laroyal. Today, Mike Roussell came out with an article saying the same thing.

Those three guys all said the same thing so they are all morons? No. With those three all saying it there just might be some truth to it.

Even more annoying is the fact that with both Shugart and laroyal, you keep acting like they are avoiding your questions. In reality, they are just ignoring you childish little arguments.

Laroyal’s thread is on page 5, Shugart’s thread is on page 22. We know what you think about the topic. Let it go.

This topic has been debated ad nauseum…by people quite a bit more qualified than you.

And they don’t need your help, put a cork in it bub.
[/quote]

I know that the people that have been debating it no a lot more than me. I’m almost sure that every person in T-Cell Alpha knows more than me and 90% of them know WAY more than me. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that 27 pages into arguments on the same thing that when people haven’t changed their minds, they never will.

I’m not taking sides, I’m just saying that it is okay for somebody to have their own opinion. They don’t have to be a “fucking moron” because they have a different opinion. I mean, Shugart and Roussell are writing for T-Nation and are associated in the “fucking moron” group. If they are writing for T-Nation, they obviously did something right.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
I’m getting a little tired of this attitude where posters on here act like that if you don’t get fat then you can’t get bigger. Not saying that your opinion is wrong or right but it is extremely annoying. First you start flaming Shugart. Then you flame laroyal. Today, Mike Roussell came out with an article saying the same thing.

Those three guys all said the same thing so they are all morons? No. With those three all saying it there just might be some truth to it.

Even more annoying is the fact that with both Shugart and laroyal, you keep acting like they are avoiding your questions. In reality, they are just ignoring you childish little arguments.

Laroyal’s thread is on page 5, Shugart’s thread is on page 22. We know what you think about the topic. Let it go.[/quote]

Why not just ignore it. If different members still want to debate that topic, well then just let them. If what you’re reading relates to your goals, then be open minded about it and give it a try if what your doing right now does not work. If your content with the progress your making, then whats the big deal?

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Eielson wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Eielson wrote:

Lemme guess. You’re small?

Not really.

cough-bullshit-cough[/quote]

You call bullshit and you basically know nothing about me?

[quote]Jetric9 wrote:

Why not just ignore it. If different members still want to debate that topic, well then just let them. If what you’re reading relates to your goals, then be open minded about it and give it a try if what your doing right now does not work. If your content with the progress your making, then whats the big deal?[/quote]

Well said.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Eielson wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Eielson wrote:

Lemme guess. You’re small?

Not really.

cough-bullshit-cough

You call bullshit and you basically know nothing about me?[/quote]

I know that you are 6’3" and around 195. I also know that you are very inconsistent with your training.

Either that or you’re a complete liar.