Nah, Perfect Reem requires Lesnar as well.
Btw, does this make Fedor Majin Buu? Or is it Roy Nelson?
[quote]rundymc wrote:
Nah, Perfect Reem requires Lesnar as well.
Btw, does this make Fedor Majin Buu? Or is it Roy Nelson?[/quote]
Nelson would be Buu. Fedor would either be 1 star dragon, or Super Saiyan 4 Goku (depending on if he’s the villain or hero).
Ok, now I really feel like a Dragon Ball geek.
Aren’t we all
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt. further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies? i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.
IMO, Steroids should be allowed for recovery purposes in case of injuries.
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
IMO, Steroids should be allowed for recovery purposes in case of injuries.[/quote]
impossible to differentiate
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
IMO, Steroids should be allowed for recovery purposes in case of injuries.[/quote]
Someone could do that if they wanted to, unless they were to volunteer themselves for drug testing while recovering. I don’t know how testing works in MMA but in [professional]boxing you’re going to be tested before or after the fight depending on the commission’s request. And by “before” I mean prior to the fight, not days before the fight.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt. further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies? i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
The problem is, a lot of fighters are already on the juice. So if we can’t catch them all (we can’t), how do you mak eit fair and safe? Put it out in the open, have it managed by a Dr, and let everyone do it. At least then it’s open, honest, and a level playing field without having to choose between breaking the rules and giving up an advantage to the other guy who does.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt. further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies? i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
The problem is, a lot of fighters are already on the juice. So if we can’t catch them all (we can’t), how do you mak eit fair and safe? Put it out in the open, have it managed by a Dr, and let everyone do it. At least then it’s open, honest, and a level playing field without having to choose between breaking the rules and giving up an advantage to the other guy who does.[/quote]
Only problem with that is who pays for it? Guys at the top get put at a huge advantage as they are getting better pay. The guys that are midcard and below in the UFC get payed a jokes amount. Unless they get fight of the night they make a very small amount per fight.
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt. further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies? i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
The problem is, a lot of fighters are already on the juice. So if we can’t catch them all (we can’t), how do you mak eit fair and safe? Put it out in the open, have it managed by a Dr, and let everyone do it. At least then it’s open, honest, and a level playing field without having to choose between breaking the rules and giving up an advantage to the other guy who does.[/quote]
Only problem with that is who pays for it? Guys at the top get put at a huge advantage as they are getting better pay. The guys that are midcard and below in the UFC get payed a jokes amount. Unless they get fight of the night they make a very small amount per fight.
[/quote]
Yeah, but that’s true of everything that gives a fighter an advantage. Coaching, gym space, 8 weeks at Big Bear training full time at altitude, other legal supps, etc. Just add the drugs to the list.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt. further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies? i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
The problem is, a lot of fighters are already on the juice. So if we can’t catch them all (we can’t), how do you mak eit fair and safe? Put it out in the open, have it managed by a Dr, and let everyone do it. At least then it’s open, honest, and a level playing field without having to choose between breaking the rules and giving up an advantage to the other guy who does.[/quote]
there are a lot of people getting rich off of growing and distributing illegal drugs…it’s unfair because we cant catch them all…shouldnt we just legalize it so everyone can traffic drugs equally?
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt. further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies? i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
The problem is, a lot of fighters are already on the juice. So if we can’t catch them all (we can’t), how do you mak eit fair and safe? Put it out in the open, have it managed by a Dr, and let everyone do it. At least then it’s open, honest, and a level playing field without having to choose between breaking the rules and giving up an advantage to the other guy who does.[/quote]
there are a lot of people getting rich off of growing and distributing illegal drugs…it’s unfair because we cant catch them all…shouldnt we just legalize it so everyone can traffic drugs equally?[/quote]
Yes. Prohibition didn’t work with alcohol, and it isn’t working with other drugs either. I’d rather Pfizer and Merck get rich than the Medellin and Sinaloa cartels.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt.
further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies?
i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
the only situation you’ll have a significant difference in mass like you’re talking about is when you have guys like fedor fighting in the heavy weight division. everyone below that is going to be within 10 pounds of eachother.
I think a guy who juices will be carying more muscle on a smaller frame, but by the same token the guy who isn’t will have naturally thicker and denser bones. How much that’ll factor into the kindof damage they can do and take in the ring is entirely speculative but in my book it’ll even out in the end. As far as how much they can train, the juicer will have more hours of good training under his belt though. And hell recover from the fight much faster and if he uses right, lengthen his career.
Another thing to keep in mind is that MMA is for the most part safer than the NFL. There hasn’t been a single serious injury or death in the history of the sport. A guy gets knocked out the ref ends the fight right there. He doesn’t give the guy a 10 count like they do in boxing to let the guy try to shake it off.
And as fr as the dangers of use itself, pro bodybuilders and powerlifters have been using for decades and for the most part they’re doing just fine. If a guy wants to toe the line that’s he’s choice and hell pay for it in the end but I think that most of them will use responsibly.
The problem is the indiscriminate use on smaller events, they don’t have any dopping so the guys go fight on the middle of a cycle or snort some coke before the fight.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Yes. Prohibition didn’t work with alcohol, and it isn’t working with other drugs either. I’d rather Pfizer and Merck get rich than the Medellin and Sinaloa cartels.[/quote]
because they’re so incorruptable?
[quote]Sliver wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]Sliver wrote:
so a skinny guy juices alot and gains 50 pounds of muscle. So what? He’s just going to go up a few weight divisions and fight other big guys. I think roids should be allowed if for no other reason than to keep certain people from getting busted while others get away with it arbitrarily. I also think combat sports need them most for recovery purposes.
What are you going to say to some middle aged guy that wants to compete but can’t because he can’t keep up with the younger guys? That he should have thought about that before he decided to be old? Take age and genetics out of the equation and let em all juice.[/quote]
they are beating the shit out of each other with their bodies. they dont allow metal bats in the majors in order to keep the safety there. similar things occur in nascar. it is a safety issue when you have a guy using and another who isnt.
further, you say let them all juice, and i know there are many who espouse the safety of steroid use, but there are side-effects - some very detrimental - are you really advocating that people be forced into situations where they have to use a pretty intense drug in order to compete? and where does it end? what about amphetamines? painkillers? are we to have zombies roaming the ring beating each other into oblivion while ruining their bodies?
i love the warrior attitude, but after seeing all these athletes in violent sports end up fucked up for the rest of their lives (football, boxing) i cant condone the notion that we should allow them to get stronger and bigger through the use of artificial means in order to induce damage on one another.
the fucking nfl has had to revamp their rule book due to the increased frequency of concussions onthe field. though the fact that record keeping has become more accurate and standardized is one reason that the reporting of medical issues such as concussions, one cannot deny that the guys running around the pitch on sundays are much larger, much faster, and much stronger than their counterparts from the 1980s and before…directly correlated to the increased use of steroids and other performance enhancers within the sport itself.
on a sidenote, there are quite a few steroids that will not induce large weight gain, but will cause significant strength increases and recovery.[/quote]
the only situation you’ll have a significant difference in mass like you’re talking about is when you have guys like fedor fighting in the heavy weight division. everyone below that is going to be within 10 pounds of eachother.
I think a guy who juices will be carying more muscle on a smaller frame, but by the same token the guy who isn’t will have naturally thicker and denser bones. How much that’ll factor into the kindof damage they can do and take in the ring is entirely speculative but in my book it’ll even out in the end. As far as how much they can train, the juicer will have more hours of good training under his belt though. And hell recover from the fight much faster and if he uses right, lengthen his career.
Another thing to keep in mind is that MMA is for the most part safer than the NFL. There hasn’t been a single serious injury or death in the history of the sport. A guy gets knocked out the ref ends the fight right there. He doesn’t give the guy a 10 count like they do in boxing to let the guy try to shake it off.
And as fr as the dangers of use itself, pro bodybuilders and powerlifters have been using for decades and for the most part they’re doing just fine. If a guy wants to toe the line that’s he’s choice and hell pay for it in the end but I think that most of them will use responsibly.[/quote]
difference in mass, maybe not…difference in lean muscle mass between fighters due to steroid use? possibly. difference in a particular fighter’s lean muslce mass due to steroid use? definitely.
interesting…did i just learn that guys who dont juice will have denser and thicker bones? awesome.
i feel like im arguing with a high schooler? is that right? or am i underestimating your age and you’re really a college freshmen? cause there really isnt that much difference. id highlight the sentence regarding mma’s safety. while i wholeheartedly believe mma to be safer than many other sports, there have been deaths and catastrophic injuries resulting from mma. dont try to sugar coat that one.
you’re right, pro bodybuilders and athletes have been using for years. it is a fuckign problem. and those who fight shouldn’t be forced to use them in order to compete. they are against the fucking rules. end of story.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Yes. Prohibition didn’t work with alcohol, and it isn’t working with other drugs either. I’d rather Pfizer and Merck get rich than the Medellin and Sinaloa cartels.[/quote]
because they’re so incorruptable?[/quote]
No, because at least they pay taxes and will submit their products for testing to make sure they aren’t cutting them with rat poison. People are already using drugs that are against the law, you can’t make them “more illegal” than the federal felony they already are. Since making them illegal doesn’t work, why not make them legal and supervise their production and sale? That way, you can tax them to pay for treatment plans to help people quit, and make sure they get regulated doesed of a regulated purity. Bonus, the criminals don’t get to make all the money.
keep discussing about the morals of Drug Dealers and Pfizer and Merck aren’t going to take us anywhere, but i agree with devildog_jim, at least you know that you aren’t getting fake steroids.