the further i get in my mma training, the more preople i meet on roids. Without a doubt when training 4-6hrs day maybe you need sone extra help. But i dont agree with happening at amatuer level, i cant imagine coming up agaist one these roid pumped guys in local amatuer events. Just doesnt seen right, young kids in eg; 1st fight cant get seriously hurt agaist these guys as there is zero testing in local events.
What do other people think about this? is it like this in other local areas? Seems like everyones doing it but only a handful are being caught at the top level. i didnt know how many people were actually caught till i read this.
Monson admits to use but never tested positive, suggesting they be legalized?, you have to wonder how many others are there.
There is no 100% fact to this…I have a close friend very high up in the the corporate level of UFC and used to put on a lot of events in Utah, where MMA is huge. He has told me that PED’s are very common at the elite level and even more common at the amateur level.
Thank you US Senate and ML Baseball for opening this can of worms that just wont go away. You cant even talk about sports anymore without someone bringing up who or how many they think are using steroids. I can barely stand reading any mma forums anymore because of it.
Do people who participate in sports use PED’s? YES
Can anyone who isnt full of their own shit tell you how many of them are? NO
Can you tell just by looking at someone in most cases? NO
If you’re not in law enforcement or a representative of a testing agency/athletic commission, then why do care to speculate on these things and rehash the same tripe over and over?
To your concerns of amateurs going against these “roid pumped guys” and getting hurt, I really don’t think it’s all that big of a deal in a fight with weight limits. Technique still trumps strength in a fight all day long, with few exceptions. A weakling with shitty fighting skills probably shouldnt be getting in a cage against another man in the first place.
Yea true as much they suck, cant deny that most of the best fights we’ve ever seen has involved these roid raging guys. Now the question is. . . to roid or not to roid hmmm
At the amateur level, stamina enhancing stuff and drugs like coke that boost aggresiveness and pain resistance (I don’t say it’s effective) have a greater impact.
That might be different if you compete as a heavyweight, however.
Yea i guess as long as there will be competitve sports there will be PED’s. I just found at my local club there 4-5 guys on gear all with under 5 fights. Also i just finished watchin “bigger stronger faster” so this steroid thing is pretty fresh in my head.
i’m sure a lot of guys use AAS in MMA, just like in other sports. but i think due to the sport’s nature, you gotta know what you’re doing to see full effect.
i mean, drugs like EQ and Deca are great for the joints, but have extremely long half-lives, which is hard if you’ve got a drug test.
and stuff like Winstrol, Proviron and Masteron are great for cutting and strength, but are hard on the joints.
i think there are advantages, but for most guys, hard as hell to manage…
The further you go in any of the judo, boxing wrestling MMA etc, the more you will see.
If you do anything at a national level , its around.
More so when you do anything international
Now that’s not a slight on anyone living outside of
the US, but different rules apply depending on where you live
as to what is legal , available or viable.
with pros you’ll see lots of common stuff-
people with the same agent.
people who share a trainer, or ‘strength guy’
or whom share a DR.
or you will see it with where people go to train.
I mean locations not clubs/gyms lots of stuff is readily available in other countries
that might not be available or legal in the US or Euro.
Its almost never about vanity or size
its about cutting
and recovery
recovery is everything
most importantly when your cutting- your dry and all manner of pain lingers then.
Lots of training injuries happen then.
and the stakes are HIGH
its cash
its time spent
endorsements tied with winning.
As long as the match-ups are fair, and you are fighting at level of competition that matches your current level of performance, it really shouldn’t matter much.
If someone is good enough or strong enough to do serious damage to you, and you are not good enough to defend against this, you shouldn’t be fighting them. It doesn’t really matter why they are able to in inflict serious damage and you are not able to defend. You shouldn’t be fighting them.
Pick a level of competition that you can be competitive at, and you shouldn’t have to worry about who is on what.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
As long as the match-ups are fair, and you are fighting at level of competition that matches your current level of performance, it really shouldn’t matter much.
If someone is good enough or strong enough to do serious damage to you, and you are not good enough to defend against this, you shouldn’t be fighting them. It doesn’t really matter why they are able to in inflict serious damage and you are not able to defend. You shouldn’t be fighting them.
Pick a level of competition that you can be competitive at, and you shouldn’t have to worry about who is on what.[/quote]
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Honestly… who cares? Let em do what they feel they need to, steroids don’t help your skills.[/quote]
See Alistair Overeem[/quote]
Come on, that’s not shit to do with roids, he’s got skill. He’s big, and mean, and a brawler. Doesn’t mean the roids are making him win.[/quote]
Because he could be a heavyweight without them. You really think heavyweight is as talented as lightheavy in terms of skill because it isn’t. I’m sure Lesnar is kicking ass cause of his mad skillz to, if Lesnar was a lightheavy he wouldn’t even be competitive.
I have seen so many kids these days who have used steroids. What the hell does a 16 year old kid need to shoot up for. They dont even give natural strength training a chance. Instead they shoot up, go workout, then go home and eat Oreos waiting to look like the next Jay Cutler.
At the top level it seems to be fairly common. I base this partly on anecdotal evidence (a few fighters are so muscular that you just KNOW they are on steroids), and partly on the fact that even though the testing for steroids is complete bullshit in MMA (i.e. just pre/post fight testing, no random testing like wada) some morons still manage to get caught.
If they want to take this seriously they need to have proper random drug testing like they have in all Olympic sports. Honestly I don’t think they really care though. Brock Lesnar has been the biggest pay per view draw in the history of the UFC, yet I struggle to see how he could even have been a top HW-contender without the use of doping. Serious drug testing is a big expense for any organization to carry, and they will also loose a couple of their freaks. This combination makes serious drug testing in mma unlikely for the foreseeable future.
I’ve used steroids before. I have, however, never competed in any kind of sport while I was using. Does my previous usage (for aesthetic and strength purposes) have a beneficial effect on me now? Probably to a certain degree, so I try to avoid having a ‘holier than thou’ attitude on the subject.
I don’t have that much of a problem with the pros using…with the stakes as high as they are and the testing being what it is, athletes are going to use, no matter the sport.
Ammys, on the other hand, are a completely different story. There is no way amateur bouts are going to get tested for drugs - the cost of testing for steroids is fairly prohibitive in this regard. I know that a great number of guys on the amateur circuit locally are using - actually, in my opinion, it may be pretty close to half the guys who compete in the amateur bouts. This is rather shitty in my opinion and should be rectified somehow, but I don’t see it happening any time soon. Of the guys who compete in mma out of my brother’s gym, there are 2 out of 11 that aren’t on steroids. The guys that I train with don’t really talk to me about it as they know my opinion on the subject, but I’m pretty sure I can tell when some of them are using and when they aren’t - strength, recovery, endurance capacity, overall ‘fullness’ of their musculature - make it relatively obvious when you work out with guys day in and day out.