Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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[quote]BusterTanner100 wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro, just as a reminder this is my first post a month or so ago.

quote]BusterTanner100 wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro.
I’ve read up to about page 35 of the last thread and all of this one. Great info on all sorts and thanks for it all

I’m 32 with experience on the juice starting when I was 16, stopped for a bit when I was 22. Started back up a couple of years ago but nothing like I used to. I flat out abused it when I was younger, taking silly things at silly dosages. Doing whatever other idiots would spout out at around the gym cause it sounded hardcore. I remember taking test e 250mgs a day at one point. Ridiculous obviously. This was at 19years old and I was just a rugby player.

When I started back with it I done a few anavar only cycles and then moved on to test p 100mgs EOD. It worked beautifully.
Then I tried tren and it is definitely not for me.
I’ve just finished up losing 70lbs of fat and now I’m much happier about doing a bit of a harder cycle as I’m not concerned about my weight anymore

After 6 months off I’m currently on test p, I started on 80mg’s/EOD, then 100/EOD and now 120/EOD. Moving up when i feel the affects wear off a bit, and Just trying to find a sweet spot really and I’ve found it now. If I need to go up again I will to 140/EOD. I’m in my 6th week looking to stop on 10.
I’ve just started HCG 250ius/e3d and nolva 10mg/day and that’s flat out on the info I’ve read through your threads.
My planned PCT for this cycle is
HCG 500iu/e3d
Clomid 50/day
Nolva 20/day

Again this is planned off the back of your information throughout the threads, if it needs correcting please do so any help is much appreciated

From being majorly overweight and trying some test e and tren I obviously suffered with major issues concerning water, puffyness, estrogen. So I’ve stayed away from long esters for a bit. But now feeling much better about my weight I’ve planned this as my next cycle…

12 weeks
Test e 400mg/week
Mast e 500mg/week
HCG 250iu/e3d
Nolva 10mg/day

PCT would be same as above

I’ve read some things that the test e and mast e should match dosage? Not sure exactly but please adjust my planned cycle as necessary if you don’t mind

Also, as I’d like to do my next planned cycle as soon as possible after my current cycle, how long should I take off between the two cycles?

I’m 32.
6’2"

Trying to upload photos not sure if it’ll work
First(fat) photo is 2 years ago at 298lbs
Second(better) photo is yesterday 226lbs

Thanks again Shadow you’re help Is invaluable
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I’ve a few questions so bear with me if you can please mate. Fully appreciated!!!

I’ve just finished my test P cycle and I’m doing the PCT you recommended. 8 week countdown is now on to starting the test e and mast e cycle.

As I stated for the test p cycle I just ran, I started at 80mgs EOD and gradually moved up to 200mgs EOD, it worked great.
I judged the timing of moving up the mgs on the effect I was feeling as I went along. With the long esters its not going to be so easy to judge when to move up the mgs… Or do you even recommend moving up gradually during a long ester cycle? Or should I just stick to prescribed doses right the way through? Also, as I’ve just finished up on 200mgs EOD on test p, should my starting doses be higher on my next cycle in 8 weeks?

Also… I’m looking into putting Tbol into this cycle, my question is when is best to put it in, in the first 6 weeks? The last 6 weeks? Or right the way through the cycle?
The cycle is going to be 16 weeks now with the long esters. I’m still dieting to lose fat until this cycle starts then I plan to try and put some muscle on for the 16 week cycle so i’m really giving it a go and quite excited to be in this phase after trying to lose weight for so long.

Thanks in advance mate

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Sorry about the late reply, I missed your post.

Can you post the pictures again? I can’t see them.

Best time to put tbol would be in the first 6-8 weeks of the cycle. For your second cycle if you want to go with the long esters, keep it steady at 500-600mg of test-e per week & 400-500mg of masteron-e per week.

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[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?

What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.

What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]

Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.

Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.[/quote]

that’s interesting you like EQ better than Deca. Not many people seem to[/quote]

I’m not a big eater and EQ really helps me get the food I need. I like the vascularity and extra endurance it gives. I don’t think there’s a significant difference in mass gains between the two and I’ve always preferred eq.
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I only ran Deca once and I had libido problems for 6 months afterward. That has put me off the idea of ever running it again.

What dose do you generally run your EQ at? Have you ever ran it higher than your test dosage?

I was thinking a low dose of test with a high dose of EQ might give a pretty gnarly looking physique.[/quote]

I agree with you, the libido problems from this drug aren’t worth the benefits.

I actually run EQ @ 1.5x my test dose. Example: If I were taking 750mg of test I do roughly 1200mg of EQ. This is the reason a lot of people don’t use EQ or see the benefits from it because in order to see the full effects from this drug you need to use a higher amount compared to deca. This kind of combo will give you a great look for an off season cycle, and if you add tren to it then it’s even better.

Just keep an eye on your hemoglobin levels, EQ seems to elevate these… So keep blood tests up to date.

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one last thing re:EQ - Do you believe the conventional wisdom that states it should be run for longer, like 14+ weeks?
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In general, I wouldn’t recommend any long ester to be used less than 12 weeks. I would say 12-16weeks is a good time for EQ.

763

[quote]Chapeloere wrote:
Hey Shadow pro,

6 weeks ago I got liverproblems :(. I noticed my eyes where yellow. I went to the doc and got my blood checked.
Cholesterol was 400, and liverenzymes very high.
I was on 1500mg sustanon, 525mg tren ace, 800mg boldenone, 6IU hgh, 10IU novorapid.
I was on for about 1 year, but didn’t use high dosages all the time… Just was blasting the last 3 months…
The doc said the the steriods caused the liverproblem…
I rarely drink alcohol and don’t use oral steriods.
I’m using steriods for more then 10 years and never had liverproblems.
The new product I was using for about 8 weeks was synthol. I used like 500CC in 8 weeks.
I know it’s a lot lol.

Do you think syntol is livertoxic?
I’m depressed , I don’t want to give up bodybuilding :(…
I’m now 6 weeks off the steriods.
My cholesterol dropped from 400 to 100, my testosterone level bounced back up very quickly without PCT (I don’t understand this one :s),
My bloodpressure is normal, kidneyfuntion normal, sugarleve is normal
The yellow eyes are gone, but my liverenzymes are still high :frowning:
I’m now using NAC, milk thistle and a liverdetoxblend…

What do you think about the liverproblem? Is my bodybuildingcareer over? My doc adviced my to stop taking steriods if I care about my health :([/quote]

That’s insane. When you are doing stupid things, you’ll pay the price. 500cc in 8 weeks!!

Your cycle was all over the place. With the amount of stuff you’ve been taking I would expect to see a lot more impressive physique (if that’s you in the avatar)

If I were you I would take a LONGGGGG time off juice and let your body recover. If and when you decide to go back on you will need to be a lot more conservative and smart with your planning in order to save your liver. I have given so much advice here about how to do it “safely”… If you care about your health I’d go back and do some reading, it can save your health.

I’ll say it again, your synthol use is absurd! This is one of the reasons this sport is getting such a bad name. Just take the time and put in the work.

764

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Mr.Shadow pro i hv no ideal for my inject time at wake up morning or sleeping before?[/quote]

Doesn’t really matter, as long as you remember to do it. Pick a time and stick with it.

765

[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, when I cycle I tend to be sensitive to prolactin type issues (think Deca)…
I am not on a cycle at the moment but I was looking for natural ways to inhibit it, I googled and Vit E and B6 regularly pops up as viable prolactin inhibitors…your opinion / is it worth it?

Training natural, could you also advise me how to reduce excess estrogen in order to get a leaner / harder look…what could I take in addition to training?
Are these supplements they advertise as estro blockers are worth it?[/quote]

I would highly recommend using Rez-V, it really helps to regulate your testosterone/estrogen ratio. Most of the supplements aren’t worth your time and money but this one is actually working. I’m using it even in precontest and it allows me to use less anti estrogens than usual.

B6 will help to an extent, but it really depends on how sensitive you are. Try a high dosage of b6 and see how it goes. If you are really sensitive you might have to go with caber in the worst case scenario when you start the cycle.

766

[quote]michell wrote:
Hi Shadow,

3 weeks out. I’m gonna uplade a pic in a few days. Very interesting advances week after week.

Gyno still is my concern. I started to take caber. Cycle is:

Tren-a - 100ED
Master - 100ED
Anavar - 60ED
Letro - 2.5 ED
Nolva - 40 ED
GH - 6 IU
Clen - 80
T4 - 240

  1. If caber doesn’t work, it may be IGF-1 issues? Is it controlable?
  2. Even at 3 weeks out would you start taperdown? Or you would keep pushing hard trying control it and wait for PCT for calm down the gyno. I want to work and progress safety. It always depending on caber’s job.
  3. I did a few nutritional changes:

MEAL 2 pre workout

40 grams Whey CFM
1 tbsp coconut oil

By

6 oz white fish
1 tbsp coconut oil

I’m gonna still keep 6 oz red meat pwo meal.

And I decreased Plazma from 3-4 to 2-3

Agree?

My mind-muscle connection is awsome along the quality of my workouts.

  1. Would you manipulate other variables like increase T4 to 250? Or another trick?
  2. I’m doing your HIIT protocol 6 times per week, 9 times 2:2. Legs are improving faster, would you cut it the last week?

Thanks![/quote]

At this point, you should be assessed daily. Everything little change that’s made can make a difference. I cant give you any general information right now and expect it to work because I’m not your coach and I am not the one who gets updates from you and sees you daily. I would suggest getting in contact with your coach and having him look over you in the next 3 weeks.

Any manipulation with the drugs and diet in the last weeks will have a major effect. My diet for example could be changing daily at 3 weeks out. If you’re ready you could cut the cardio at 1 week out, you’ll have to decide this when the time comes.

I would love to give you better advise but it’s very individual when it comes close to a show and I am not the one who knows you well enough to make those decisions. This is why it’s important to invest in a great coach.

767

Hi thanks again for this thread, I find it very informative. My simple question is, is it okay to shoot NPP E3D rather than EOD? I mean it is a longer ester than prop. Do you think it really matters?

768

I am not able to upload pictures because of privacy issues. But I hope this can do:

Background info:

I’ve done 6 cycles split across 4 years. Highest i’ve done was 1.5g test with 20 mcg oxy for 10 weeks. And the latest i’ve done (1,5 year ago) was 10 weeks of 1g test and 500mg cutstack. The mild dosage of trenbolone (300 mg) weekly gave me tren dick. I have never had issues with coming off cycles and i’ve always done spot on PCT (libido, mood, strength and everything has never been an issue coming off). However I am not going to do tren ever again. After this cycle I peaked at 280 kg OL squat, 205 kg benchpress and 305 kg deadlift at 110 kg bodyweight 18% BF.

So now i have been off drugs for almost 2 years and I am going back on again. I am 6,2 and 106 kg with 12-14% bodyfat and still quite strong. Not near when I was on. But it is decent.
I was thinking about doing a longer cycle (16 weeks), in order for me to shred fat and get back some of the lost size and strength.

Diet wise I am at about maintence and I will cycle my calories in an attempt of gaining size and shredding fat. But the primary goal is to come in more lean and with the help of the anabolics - bigger. It is however not a contest diet, plan is to get to about single digit bodyfat and stay there.
The reason why I am increasing the dosage at 8 weeks is to keep the progress going and peak a bit towards the end of the cycle.

Cycle:
Through cycle 2 x 200 ui hcg weekly and 20 mcg nolva

Every other week i will do clen at 80-120 mcg and then come off one week.

1-8 750 mg test blend
1-8 750 mg test blend
1-8 50 mcg winstrol
6-16 t3 cycle (starting at 12,5 mcg working my way up and cruising at whatever dosage I land on)
9-16 1g test blend
9-16 400mg masteron
9-16 75 mcg winstrol

Then PCT with nolva, clomid and hcg.

769

Hey Shadow, whats a good protocol for blasting letro pre-contest to dry out?

Jekyll

770

Hi Shadow,

I’m going to be starting a new lean bulk. See my proposed plan.

Current Stats: 210lbs 9%
Bench: 375lbs
Squat: 500lbs
Deadlift: 600lbs

Goal Stats: 220lbs 6%

Currently coming off of a two month cruise on 250 mg Sustanon /wk.

Plan:
750mg Sustanon /wk
750mg EQ /wk
300mg Tren-Ace /wk
GH: Hygetropin
Insulin: Eli Lilly Humalog

**Protein = Chicken Breast / Extra Lean Beef
**Carbs = Brown Rice / Pineapple
**Fat = Avacado / Omega3/6 oil

Morning Cardio: 20 mins empty stomach

Meal 1: 40g protein / 75g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2-4: 40g protein / 30g carbs / 15g fat

Meal 5 (2 hours pre training): 40g protein / 100g carbs / 5g fat

30 mins pre-WO: 8 IU GH
15 mins pre-WO: 10 IU Humalog
10 mins pre-WO: 25g whey, 60g carbs
intra-WO: sip on 10g BCAA, 60g carb blend
30 mins PWO: 2 cups egg whites, 1 cup oats, 1 cup blueberries

Totals: 285g protein / 500g carbs / 70g fat

From my goals you can see that I want to get bigger and leaner. My plan would be to add as much lean tissue as possible whilst keeping fat gain down to a minimum and then drop the insulin/calories down to lose bodyfat.

So 210 lbs >LEAN BULK> 230-240lbs >DIET> 220lbs

Is there a way to structure this plan in a similar fashion to how guys grow into contests or is my current plan the best method for my goals.

Thanks for your input.

771

While this can be very specific, I’m curious as to what you’ve found over the years…

What have you found is best for each individual body part? Certain exercises? For example, certain pros and coaches have specific exercises and techniques that work for them, when nothing else would (John Meadows and his back exercises). Do you believe heavily in high reps for biceps? Heavy weight for chest? (Just examples).

Thanks again Shadow.

772

I agree Shadow,

I don’t have any coach because there is none to trust near me. You know who I would like to hire :wink:

Anyway, Can you help me how to taper down and start the PCT?

At 3 weeks out

Tren-a - 100ED
Master - 100ED
Anavar - 60ED
Letro - 2.5 ED
Nolva - 40 ED
GH - 6 IU
Clen - 120
T4 - 250
Carbegoline - .5 E3D

BTW, I feel from past week a very thin layer of water under skin, specially afternoon. Everything is the same except my increments in clen at 120-140. Can be caused by clen? Or may be carbe?
My feet and ankles are swollen right know. It’s night time here.

When i finish your HIIT protocol I’m shredded and after training as well. Sweat a lot.
I always eat lots of salt. Never any issue with it.

Thanks

773


My legs yesterday. I’m not happy today cause water layer.

774


First pic doesn’t appreciate veins running my abs. But you can get an idea of my condition.

Second one how I change in my training.

775

[quote]Mc777 wrote:
Hi thanks again for this thread, I find it very informative. My simple question is, is it okay to shoot NPP E3D rather than EOD? I mean it is a longer ester than prop. Do you think it really matters?[/quote]

Thank you.

It’s not going to make a huge difference in your results and you can probably get away with it. I feel like every other day is a more reliable choice because it’s more stable in your blood this way.

776

[quote]Rapacious wrote:
I am not able to upload pictures because of privacy issues. But I hope this can do:

Background info:

I’ve done 6 cycles split across 4 years. Highest i’ve done was 1.5g test with 20 mcg oxy for 10 weeks. And the latest i’ve done (1,5 year ago) was 10 weeks of 1g test and 500mg cutstack. The mild dosage of trenbolone (300 mg) weekly gave me tren dick. I have never had issues with coming off cycles and i’ve always done spot on PCT (libido, mood, strength and everything has never been an issue coming off). However I am not going to do tren ever again. After this cycle I peaked at 280 kg OL squat, 205 kg benchpress and 305 kg deadlift at 110 kg bodyweight 18% BF.

So now i have been off drugs for almost 2 years and I am going back on again. I am 6,2 and 106 kg with 12-14% bodyfat and still quite strong. Not near when I was on. But it is decent.
I was thinking about doing a longer cycle (16 weeks), in order for me to shred fat and get back some of the lost size and strength.

Diet wise I am at about maintence and I will cycle my calories in an attempt of gaining size and shredding fat. But the primary goal is to come in more lean and with the help of the anabolics - bigger. It is however not a contest diet, plan is to get to about single digit bodyfat and stay there.
The reason why I am increasing the dosage at 8 weeks is to keep the progress going and peak a bit towards the end of the cycle.

Cycle:
Through cycle 2 x 200 ui hcg weekly and 20 mcg nolva

Every other week i will do clen at 80-120 mcg and then come off one week.

1-8 750 mg test blend
1-8 750 mg test blend
1-8 50 mcg winstrol
6-16 t3 cycle (starting at 12,5 mcg working my way up and cruising at whatever dosage I land on)
9-16 1g test blend
9-16 400mg masteron
9-16 75 mcg winstrol

Then PCT with nolva, clomid and hcg. [/quote]

Cycle looks good. I wouldn’t run the winstrol for 16 weeks, do it from 1-8 instead and the masteron from 9-16.
Don’t forget to taper down the t3 when you come off. If you want to lose fat then diet will be your key here.

777

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
Hey Shadow, whats a good protocol for blasting letro pre-contest to dry out?

Jekyll[/quote]

Nothing fancy, just 2.5mg everyday for the last 10-14 days. Anymore than this will kill your joints and sex drive.

778

[quote]lonewolf999 wrote:
Hi Shadow,

I’m going to be starting a new lean bulk. See my proposed plan.

Current Stats: 210lbs 9%
Bench: 375lbs
Squat: 500lbs
Deadlift: 600lbs

Goal Stats: 220lbs 6%

Currently coming off of a two month cruise on 250 mg Sustanon /wk.

Plan:
750mg Sustanon /wk
750mg EQ /wk
300mg Tren-Ace /wk
GH: Hygetropin
Insulin: Eli Lilly Humalog

**Protein = Chicken Breast / Extra Lean Beef
**Carbs = Brown Rice / Pineapple
**Fat = Avacado / Omega3/6 oil

Morning Cardio: 20 mins empty stomach

Meal 1: 40g protein / 75g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2-4: 40g protein / 30g carbs / 15g fat

Meal 5 (2 hours pre training): 40g protein / 100g carbs / 5g fat

30 mins pre-WO: 8 IU GH
15 mins pre-WO: 10 IU Humalog
10 mins pre-WO: 25g whey, 60g carbs
intra-WO: sip on 10g BCAA, 60g carb blend
30 mins PWO: 2 cups egg whites, 1 cup oats, 1 cup blueberries

Totals: 285g protein / 500g carbs / 70g fat

From my goals you can see that I want to get bigger and leaner. My plan would be to add as much lean tissue as possible whilst keeping fat gain down to a minimum and then drop the insulin/calories down to lose bodyfat.

So 210 lbs >LEAN BULK> 230-240lbs >DIET> 220lbs

Is there a way to structure this plan in a similar fashion to how guys grow into contests or is my current plan the best method for my goals.

Thanks for your input.[/quote]

Here’s a few things to consider.

  • try more variety in protein sources… White fish, MAG-10, egg whites etc.
  • the way you distribute your carbs should be more focused around the window of your workout. Try the Plazma intraworkout, there is no “carb mix” of ANY type that will compare.
  • too many carbs in the meal 2 hours before the workout, you could use 30g from Plazma 30 min pre workout and lower this meal to 50g
  • where did you get the pineapple idea? Don’t use this unless it’s a cheat meal, it should NOT be a main carb source.
  • use MAG-10 post workout, drop other post workout shake. Then eat another meal 30-40min after MAG-10
    -split GH into 2 doses (pre and post workout)

I’m interested to know who is making the fake hygetropin now and scamming people for more money… The real ones have been off the market for years. Try to find an alternative source.

If you can post pictures of yourself I can give you specific and personal information otherwise anything I say will be very general and not as effective.

Cycle looks fine, but I will know better if I see pictures. Tren could possibly go a little higher if you are an experienced user.

779

[quote]CxTucker wrote:
While this can be very specific, I’m curious as to what you’ve found over the years…

What have you found is best for each individual body part? Certain exercises? For example, certain pros and coaches have specific exercises and techniques that work for them, when nothing else would (John Meadows and his back exercises). Do you believe heavily in high reps for biceps? Heavy weight for chest? (Just examples).

Thanks again Shadow.[/quote]

Everybody has their own opinion and theory on training, but here’s what I think…

Legs- Both heavy low reps and taxing high reps. Most people will respond better to train legs twice a week. One session being heavy in the 3-10 reps range and one session in higher reps over 15.

Chest- mostly heavy with some pump work added at the end of the training session.

Back- same as legs, needs both types of stimulation.

Shoulder- you can get away with mostly pump work and throw in the occasional heavy press here and there.

Triceps- heavy work with pump at the end of the session

Biceps - light weight, high reps

780

[quote]michell wrote:
I agree Shadow,

I don’t have any coach because there is none to trust near me. You know who I would like to hire :wink:

Anyway, Can you help me how to taper down and start the PCT?

At 3 weeks out

Tren-a - 100ED
Master - 100ED
Anavar - 60ED
Letro - 2.5 ED
Nolva - 40 ED
GH - 6 IU
Clen - 120
T4 - 250
Carbegoline - .5 E3D

BTW, I feel from past week a very thin layer of water under skin, specially afternoon. Everything is the same except my increments in clen at 120-140. Can be caused by clen? Or may be carbe?
My feet and ankles are swollen right know. It’s night time here.

When i finish your HIIT protocol I’m shredded and after training as well. Sweat a lot.
I always eat lots of salt. Never any issue with it.

Thanks
[/quote]

Stay on the stuff you are taking all the way to the show. Cut the GH 10 days out and it’ll help you obtain a drier look.

When you’re done your show, do one week of tren and mast @ 100mg every other day and then start a normal pct with HCG, clomid and nolva. I have given the “normal” dosages over and over.

You look SO much better than the last set. How about you post a front double bicep and back double bicep shot so I can see your complete physique. You look harder and leaner in every picture you post so you’re definitely progressing.

You’re doing a good job. Just keep your head strong and try not to overthink everything. Keep it simple and basic! You are on the right track.

I also think cutting the cardio at 5-7 days out is a good idea. I think your legs are working very hard right now and this will reduce any swelling prior to the show. Almost there… Keep pushing hard!

Keep sodium as is, don’t fuck with it at all!