Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[quote]
Hi Shadow,
Is there any point in tapering down the prop in this cycle or just go cold and run the PCT you advised? I am in the final two weeks of it.
1-10 test prop 150mg eod
1-10 hcg 250iu 2x/week
3-8 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 nolva 20mg ed[/quote]
Even though it’s a low dose it’s not a bad idea to taper down. Do 2 weeks of tapering down-week 1 @100mg eod and week 2 @50mg eod. Start your pct after you taper down.
[quote]Mikehr wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Mikehr wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Westside123 wrote:
Hi Shadow,
Thanks a lot for doing this. Basically I have had gyno since puberty but didnt know it so my first cycle 2 years ago, aggrivated it and the worst ever was my second cycle of test and tren. Since then its a lot less noticeable and the lumps are between the size of a pea and small marble, and as long as my nips aren’t puffy. The problem is in order to keep them under control I have to use torem, letro and caber if using tren. Its really driving me nuts, I competed in my first Physique show in july and they looked fine cause I came off test I was on 525mast, 2.5mg letro and 60mg of torem for the show.
Current cycle is 50mg prop eod, 100mg tren eod, 60mcg t3, but even at 1.25mg letro ed , 60mg torem ed, and 0.5 mg caber eod they are still puffy, they dont hurt they just look shitty. I dont wanna always be running letro at 2.5mg becuase it crushes my sex drive and hinders gains apparently.
Do you think I should drop the torem and switch to nolva?
Should I up the caber? I am kinda at a loss here and up for opinions. Surgery is out of the question because in Canada healthcare wont cover it cause of the gear and I cant afford it[/quote]
I would definitely switch the torem to nolvadex. Increasing the caber would be an option only of the gyno is related to progesterone. Unfortunately, if you are prone to gyno and already have preexisting symptoms then your only option is to stay on high doses of letro the whole time you’re on or do the surgery. Once the symptoms are very bad, your best option is the surgery.
[/quote]
Hey thanks for the reply I will give that a shot and let you know, I have heard that serms reduce the effectivness of letro or vice versa? Your thoughts? And its not bad as long as my nips are hard, only when they are puffy is it noticeable. Tren seems to be notorious for this! [/quote]
If you decide to use the letro you don’t need to use the nolvadex with it, there’s no need. From what you’ve described to me I’m assuming surgery is your next best option.[/quote]
Alright I dont think its bad enough to warrant surgery, you can’t see the lumps at all its just they get puffy with tren basically. I am at 1.25 letro now and 60mg torem so ill up the letro and drop the torem and see how it goes. [/quote]
I always keep my sodium very high in the off season and prep… It helps with pump and prevents cramping. I would advise against low sodium during the prep, it will hurt your pump and can possibly lead to injury. As long as you know how to manipulate your water at the end then holding water during the diet isn’t and issue, it actually helps.
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]
Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.
Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]
Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.
Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.[/quote]
that’s interesting you like EQ better than Deca. Not many people seem to
Whats the most optimal way to run t3 in a cycle?
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]
Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.
Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.[/quote]
that’s interesting you like EQ better than Deca. Not many people seem to[/quote]
I’m not a big eater and EQ really helps me get the food I need. I like the vascularity and extra endurance it gives. I don’t think there’s a significant difference in mass gains between the two and I’ve always preferred eq.
[quote]Rapacious wrote:
Whats the most optimal way to run t3 in a cycle?[/quote]
Start low, somewhere around 12.5 and increase the dose by the week depending on the individual. An average high dose is 75mcg but some people go even higher. It’s very important to taper down slowly over a 3-4 weeks period.
If you want more info specifically for you let me know more about yourself and the situation so I can give you a more personal response.
Hi Shadow, general question, amongst all the substances you have taken through the years, what compond would you consider to be the one that contributes the most to your overall sze and growth?
My uneducated guess is HGH?
For me and the folks that have no experiance of taking HGH, what sort of gains can you experiance if you take HGH for a year non stop at say 5 or 6iu a day?
I also assume the gains are of a more permanent type growth than with say a test and deca cycle for example
Hey Shadow Pro, just as a reminder this is my first post a month or so ago.
quote]BusterTanner100 wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro.
I’ve read up to about page 35 of the last thread and all of this one. Great info on all sorts and thanks for it all
I’m 32 with experience on the juice starting when I was 16, stopped for a bit when I was 22. Started back up a couple of years ago but nothing like I used to. I flat out abused it when I was younger, taking silly things at silly dosages. Doing whatever other idiots would spout out at around the gym cause it sounded hardcore. I remember taking test e 250mgs a day at one point. Ridiculous obviously. This was at 19years old and I was just a rugby player.
When I started back with it I done a few anavar only cycles and then moved on to test p 100mgs EOD. It worked beautifully.
Then I tried tren and it is definitely not for me.
I’ve just finished up losing 70lbs of fat and now I’m much happier about doing a bit of a harder cycle as I’m not concerned about my weight anymore
After 6 months off I’m currently on test p, I started on 80mg’s/EOD, then 100/EOD and now 120/EOD. Moving up when i feel the affects wear off a bit, and Just trying to find a sweet spot really and I’ve found it now. If I need to go up again I will to 140/EOD. I’m in my 6th week looking to stop on 10.
I’ve just started HCG 250ius/e3d and nolva 10mg/day and that’s flat out on the info I’ve read through your threads.
My planned PCT for this cycle is
HCG 500iu/e3d
Clomid 50/day
Nolva 20/day
Again this is planned off the back of your information throughout the threads, if it needs correcting please do so any help is much appreciated
From being majorly overweight and trying some test e and tren I obviously suffered with major issues concerning water, puffyness, estrogen. So I’ve stayed away from long esters for a bit. But now feeling much better about my weight I’ve planned this as my next cycle…
12 weeks
Test e 400mg/week
Mast e 500mg/week
HCG 250iu/e3d
Nolva 10mg/day
PCT would be same as above
I’ve read some things that the test e and mast e should match dosage? Not sure exactly but please adjust my planned cycle as necessary if you don’t mind
Also, as I’d like to do my next planned cycle as soon as possible after my current cycle, how long should I take off between the two cycles?
I’m 32.
6’2"
Trying to upload photos not sure if it’ll work
First(fat) photo is 2 years ago at 298lbs
Second(better) photo is yesterday 226lbs
Thanks again Shadow you’re help Is invaluable
[/quote]
I’ve a few questions so bear with me if you can please mate. Fully appreciated!!!
I’ve just finished my test P cycle and I’m doing the PCT you recommended. 8 week countdown is now on to starting the test e and mast e cycle.
As I stated for the test p cycle I just ran, I started at 80mgs EOD and gradually moved up to 200mgs EOD, it worked great.
I judged the timing of moving up the mgs on the effect I was feeling as I went along. With the long esters its not going to be so easy to judge when to move up the mgs… Or do you even recommend moving up gradually during a long ester cycle? Or should I just stick to prescribed doses right the way through? Also, as I’ve just finished up on 200mgs EOD on test p, should my starting doses be higher on my next cycle in 8 weeks?
Also… I’m looking into putting Tbol into this cycle, my question is when is best to put it in, in the first 6 weeks? The last 6 weeks? Or right the way through the cycle?
The cycle is going to be 16 weeks now with the long esters. I’m still dieting to lose fat until this cycle starts then I plan to try and put some muscle on for the 16 week cycle so i’m really giving it a go and quite excited to be in this phase after trying to lose weight for so long.
Thanks in advance mate
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]
Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.
Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.[/quote]
that’s interesting you like EQ better than Deca. Not many people seem to[/quote]
I’m not a big eater and EQ really helps me get the food I need. I like the vascularity and extra endurance it gives. I don’t think there’s a significant difference in mass gains between the two and I’ve always preferred eq.
[/quote]
I only ran Deca once and I had libido problems for 6 months afterward. That has put me off the idea of ever running it again.
What dose do you generally run your EQ at? Have you ever ran it higher than your test dosage?
I was thinking a low dose of test with a high dose of EQ might give a pretty gnarly looking physique.
honestly I don’t see why anyone would ever use Deca except for possible help with connective tissue (at least that’s what I’ve heard). Some of my friends who are my age who are in college with me use it and, being in college, why the hell would they ever risk the infamous Deca Dick? Hell, why would anyone who is sexually active risk such a thing?
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, general question, amongst all the substances you have taken through the years, what compond would you consider to be the one that contributes the most to your overall sze and growth?
My uneducated guess is HGH?
For me and the folks that have no experiance of taking HGH, what sort of gains can you experiance if you take HGH for a year non stop at say 5 or 6iu a day?
I also assume the gains are of a more permanent type growth than with say a test and deca cycle for example [/quote]
It’s a good question but I honestly can’t pick one compound, I believe it’s the synergetic effect of all of the drugs I used throughout the years. HGH will not make you huge per say but it will allow more quality gains in terms of fullness, roundness, skin appearance etc.
Test and GH have an amazing synergetic effect so I’d say this is a perfect base for any cycle.
You are right about your assumption that staying on gh for a long period of time will give you more permanent gains than a cycle without gh. If you’re looking to make significant mass gains 6iu would be a bare minimum. To see anything extreme in terms of shear mass you’d need to use a lot more. If mass is the main goal then gh, insulin and test is your baby! This would only be for experienced users who have every other aspect of their training and diet on track.
On a side note… If I had to choose ONE drug besides gh, I would say tren is my favorite because of the combination of strength, size, hardness and basically it just makes me feel invincible!
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]
Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.
Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.[/quote]
that’s interesting you like EQ better than Deca. Not many people seem to[/quote]
I’m not a big eater and EQ really helps me get the food I need. I like the vascularity and extra endurance it gives. I don’t think there’s a significant difference in mass gains between the two and I’ve always preferred eq.
[/quote]
I only ran Deca once and I had libido problems for 6 months afterward. That has put me off the idea of ever running it again.
What dose do you generally run your EQ at? Have you ever ran it higher than your test dosage?
I was thinking a low dose of test with a high dose of EQ might give a pretty gnarly looking physique.[/quote]
I agree with you, the libido problems from this drug aren’t worth the benefits.
I actually run EQ @ 1.5x my test dose. Example: If I were taking 750mg of test I do roughly 1200mg of EQ. This is the reason a lot of people don’t use EQ or see the benefits from it because in order to see the full effects from this drug you need to use a higher amount compared to deca. This kind of combo will give you a great look for an off season cycle, and if you add tren to it then it’s even better.
Just keep an eye on your hemoglobin levels, EQ seems to elevate these… So keep blood tests up to date.
[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
honestly I don’t see why anyone would ever use Deca except for possible help with connective tissue (at least that’s what I’ve heard). Some of my friends who are my age who are in college with me use it and, being in college, why the hell would they ever risk the infamous Deca Dick? Hell, why would anyone who is sexually active risk such a thing?
[/quote]
Exactly! I only use it if I’m experiencing joint problems (which is very rare) and if I use deca I keep it around 300mg/week for these exact reasons.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, in your offseason, when gaining muscle mass is of most importantance, what do you add to the test?
What is your opinion on NPP vs the longer ester one (which one do the pro’s prefer and why)
Would you ever combine NPP and Equipoise in the same cycle.
What is the optimal length to be on deca/NPP and Equipoise ?
[/quote]
Personally I like EQ better than deca in the offseason. If I had to pick between NPP and deca in the offseason, I’d go with deca because it means less injections and I prefer that.
Usually I wouldn’t recommend combining the two together (eq & deca) and wouldn’t use either of these for less than 12 weeks (most likely 16). If you choose NPP you can use it for a shorter time of about 8 weeks.[/quote]
that’s interesting you like EQ better than Deca. Not many people seem to[/quote]
I’m not a big eater and EQ really helps me get the food I need. I like the vascularity and extra endurance it gives. I don’t think there’s a significant difference in mass gains between the two and I’ve always preferred eq.
[/quote]
I only ran Deca once and I had libido problems for 6 months afterward. That has put me off the idea of ever running it again.
What dose do you generally run your EQ at? Have you ever ran it higher than your test dosage?
I was thinking a low dose of test with a high dose of EQ might give a pretty gnarly looking physique.[/quote]
I agree with you, the libido problems from this drug aren’t worth the benefits.
I actually run EQ @ 1.5x my test dose. Example: If I were taking 750mg of test I do roughly 1200mg of EQ. This is the reason a lot of people don’t use EQ or see the benefits from it because in order to see the full effects from this drug you need to use a higher amount compared to deca. This kind of combo will give you a great look for an off season cycle, and if you add tren to it then it’s even better.
Just keep an eye on your hemoglobin levels, EQ seems to elevate these… So keep blood tests up to date.
[/quote]
one last thing re:EQ - Do you believe the conventional wisdom that states it should be run for longer, like 14+ weeks?
Hey Shadow pro,
6 weeks ago I got liverproblems :(. I noticed my eyes where yellow. I went to the doc and got my blood checked.
Cholesterol was 400, and liverenzymes very high.
I was on 1500mg sustanon, 525mg tren ace, 800mg boldenone, 6IU hgh, 10IU novorapid.
I was on for about 1 year, but didn’t use high dosages all the time… Just was blasting the last 3 months…
The doc said the the steriods caused the liverproblem…
I rarely drink alcohol and don’t use oral steriods.
I’m using steriods for more then 10 years and never had liverproblems.
The new product I was using for about 8 weeks was synthol. I used like 500CC in 8 weeks.
I know it’s a lot lol.
Do you think syntol is livertoxic?
I’m depressed , I don’t want to give up bodybuilding :(…
I’m now 6 weeks off the steriods.
My cholesterol dropped from 400 to 100, my testosterone level bounced back up very quickly without PCT (I don’t understand this one :s),
My bloodpressure is normal, kidneyfuntion normal, sugarleve is normal
The yellow eyes are gone, but my liverenzymes are still high 
I’m now using NAC, milk thistle and a liverdetoxblend…
What do you think about the liverproblem? Is my bodybuildingcareer over? My doc adviced my to stop taking steriods if I care about my health
[quote]charles_chow wrote:
[quote]charles_chow wrote:
[quote]charles_chow wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]charles_chow wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[/quote]
sorry,Mr.shadow pro im so Stupid ,wt do u mean 40/40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 ^^"[/quote]
u suggest orally or injection??if choice injection,butt?arm?or other body part?? [/quote]
Mr.Shadow pro i hv no ideal for my inject time at wake up morning or sleeping before?
Hi Shadow, when I cycle I tend to be sensitive to prolactin type issues (think Deca)…
I am not on a cycle at the moment but I was looking for natural ways to inhibit it, I googled and Vit E and B6 regularly pops up as viable prolactin inhibitors…your opinion / is it worth it?
Training natural, could you also advise me how to reduce excess estrogen in order to get a leaner / harder look…what could I take in addition to training?
Are these supplements they advertise as estro blockers are worth it?
Hi Shadow,
3 weeks out. I’m gonna uplade a pic in a few days. Very interesting advances week after week.
Gyno still is my concern. I started to take caber. Cycle is:
Tren-a - 100ED
Master - 100ED
Anavar - 60ED
Letro - 2.5 ED
Nolva - 40 ED
GH - 6 IU
Clen - 80
T4 - 240
MEAL 2 pre workout
40 grams Whey CFM
1 tbsp coconut oil
By
6 oz white fish
1 tbsp coconut oil
I’m gonna still keep 6 oz red meat pwo meal.
And I decreased Plazma from 3-4 to 2-3
Agree?
My mind-muscle connection is awsome along the quality of my workouts.
Thanks!