Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

Hey Shadow what does PCT mean?

I’m totally kidding…

I’m a long time reader of the site and forum, however have never posted anything here before. I’ve read every word of both threads so far… Amazing information.

I ordered up some Plazma today and am very anxious to see what it brings to the table, 30 bucks shipping is pretty lame mind you lol. I’m probably going to start out with 2 scoops intra-workout and see how that goes; might bump it up depending how my body takes to it.

I don’t really have any questions at this time, since most of what I would have asked has been answered in great detail already on the thread. Thanks again for doing this, I’ll let you know how the plazma works out for me.

[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:
Hello Shadow Pro,

i’ve made a thread alrdy but i though i’ll ask on your advice aswell, thanks in advice.

So basically, it’s my first cycle - i’m running 500 test-e(100% pharma stuff) / divided into 2 injections | monday pm & friday am

I’ve been doing amazing, my diet is on top and so is my training - havent been doing anything else apart from training and eating for the past 6 weeks, since i started my cycle.

Back to the question:

When i started the cycle, in the week 3/4(something like that) I had a “burning feeling” in my chest/my nipples area, but i didn’t get scared and didn’t panic and start taking tamoxifen or whatever straight away. I took it like that as the test was aromotasing and it was normal to happen. I waited another 2 weeks, so then i was into my 5th week and the feeling dissapeard.

What i notice now that that when i fully flex my chest or whatsoever the nipples look kinda “weird”, they look kinda swelling - they are not sore or anything like that, only when i push into it and move it, i kinda notice some kind of “pain”.

So i’m in the middle of my 8th week and i just want to be sure that i don’t risk anything and say “ye most likely its nothing” and just leave it like, i want to be 100% sure to prevent gyno if there is anything happening

what i’m asking for is the “precise” answer in my case, not any1’s else - should i start doing anastrozol eod or should i start taking tamoxifen at 20mg ed till the end of the cycle and in the post cycle therapy with clomid?

I guess the only right thing is to do tamoxifen since i want to secure that i don’t get gyno and anastrozol doesn’t apply in my case since its way to late and i actually should of took it from the beginning i guess, like .5mg e3d.

So again, i got 9 weeks left, should i start dosing Tamoxifen at 20mg for the remaining 9 weeks and then for another 5 weeks during the PCT, together wwith clomid?

Thanks alot! [/quote]

I would start 20mg of tamoxifen immediately and continue it throughout the whole cycle, possibly bump it up to 40 if you don’t see improvements. This is why I always recommend to run a low dose throughout a whole cycle to prevent cases like yours.

If this doesn’t work you can try letrozole at 2.5mg eod… But this would be a last resort. It really depends on the severity of the issue.[/quote]

thanks a lot for answering!

ive been discussing it with anither guy, he said that it in.my case it wont rly do anything, tamox wont loeer estrogen and i will still have the high estrogen at the end of the cycle, so there would be rebound effect?

so your advice would be to take nolva at 20mg a week for the remaining 8 weeks, how should.i react after 8 weeks? i know.you been talkinf about the pct all the time, been reading thru the pages but.how should i do it my case? 20mg ed the remaininf 8weeks of my cycle(im doing 500mg test @ 16weeks) and then i should continue nolva alone for another 8weeks or? coz normally you would.wait till easter clears out and then hit nolva for 6/8 weeks or clomid, right?

if i start taking nolva for the remaining 8 weeks, how should my PCT look in my case?

Thanks a lot for your answers, i will ask more larer on if possible - appreciate your help!

another quick questiom for now, your opiniom on trazodone? im currently using 25mg up to 75mg(trittico) since i just cant sleep due to severals reasons - any sleep is better than no.sleep at all, right? im trying to get.my proper sleeping rhytmus back in, should i lower the dose at the end of the cycle and try.not use trazodone in the pct?

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Start the 20mg right away and stay on it for the whole cycle and the pct. Your cycle is very mild, just a basic pct of clomid, nolva and HCG will be good. Just go with clomid 4 weeks @ 50mg, nolva 40/40/40/20/20 and HCG 500iu e3d.

I don’t like the use of sleeping personally, I would slowly taper off them and use a natural sleeping aid. The Z12 is what I use for sleep now.
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so you would say

week 9-16: test 500mg a week + 20mg nolva ed
week 16-18: still continueing nolva 20mg
week 19-24: 50mg clomid / a day | 40mg Nolva for 3 weeks and then 20mg for 2 weeks?


Nolva won’t lock it down, it won’t lower my estrogen, i would still have high estrogen till the end of my cycle? So these lumps could get worse and it could lead to gyno, no?

Thanks for your help
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Yes, this looks fine.

It all depends on the severity of your issue right now. If it’s very bad you can use something else, like letro… But regardless you need to use the nolva throughout the cycle.

From what your described it doesn’t sound very severe but that letro is the only drug that will somewhat reverse the current situation if it’s getting out of hand. You can try 2.5mg every other day and it will do the trick.

[quote]jch4z wrote:
What would your general recommendations be for the use of tamoxifen be during PCT? I will be using it with HCG. I’m currently tapering down now so I’ll be starting soon [/quote]

Really depends on what your cycle was. I have mentioned a lot of ideas for PCT’s if you want a general idea… In fact, this whole page is filled with pct questions.

If you want something specific can you post your cycle and I’ll give you my opinion

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
What would your general recommendations be for the use of tamoxifen be during PCT? I will be using it with HCG. I’m currently tapering down now so I’ll be starting soon [/quote]

His general reccomendation would be to give him some more detailed information about yourself and the cycle you just did before he reccomends anything.

Amirite?[/quote]

You are!

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
What would your general recommendations be for the use of tamoxifen be during PCT? I will be using it with HCG. I’m currently tapering down now so I’ll be starting soon [/quote]

His general reccomendation would be to give him some more detailed information about yourself and the cycle you just did before he reccomends anything.

Amirite?[/quote]

he’d also probably tell you to read the thread where he’s outlined basic beginner shit like this ten thousand fucking times.

I mean really. Does google not work where you come from?

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And just when I thought you’d disappeared! :slight_smile: My forum police hard at work.

[quote]Boysie888 wrote:
Hi Shadow,

I’ve looked through both threads and haven’t see this question asked (sorry if I’m mistaken) but my question is:

I’m a international level powerlifter and wondering what your view is running something like tbol 10 weeks out from comp but dropping it for something like halo 4 weeks out? My thinking is any weight gain won’t continue or surprise me (have a 220 weight class to hit) and switching to the halo will maintain the gains and obviously make me stronger (continue to make me stronger) with no further weight gain (controlling calories)? I’ll be running 250mg test and 600-800mg tren for the 12 weeks also (experienced with compounds) It would look like this:
Comp at week 12

Weeks 1-14
Test e 250mg/ wk
Weeks 1-12
Tren E 200-800mg/wk (tapered up weekly)
Weeks 2-8
Tbol 50mg/ed
Weeks 9-12
Halo 30-50mg (tapered)

Or would you suggest keeping tbol till comp?

In short… What’s your opinion of orals mid cycle switching to another compound? Switch or simply add?

Cheers! Fantastic post
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Thank you.

When it comes to powerlifting I would suggest to keep the tbol in and add the halo at 4 weeks. Start the tbol a week or two later so you’re only using it for 8-9 weeks tops.

It’s not the healthiest option but it’s not going to kill you for this amount of time and for strength, combining orals like these is an excellent tool. As long as you keep your diet clean you won’t keep gaining weight.

[quote]Rambo_1984 wrote:
Hey Shadow what does PCT mean?

I’m totally kidding…

I’m a long time reader of the site and forum, however have never posted anything here before. I’ve read every word of both threads so far… Amazing information.

I ordered up some Plazma today and am very anxious to see what it brings to the table, 30 bucks shipping is pretty lame mind you lol. I’m probably going to start out with 2 scoops intra-workout and see how that goes; might bump it up depending how my body takes to it.

I don’t really have any questions at this time, since most of what I would have asked has been answered in great detail already on the thread. Thanks again for doing this, I’ll let you know how the plazma works out for me.
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PCT? I’m not sure… Isn’t it cakes and cookies? Post competition treats? No idea… Lol

The Plazma will be a game changer for you! Let me know if you need any help with anything else and thanks for posting.

Hi Shadow,

I only post the pic to show you my progress. I’m not sure if light makes justice but I think with your experience you can watch improvements.

5 weeks out

Weight remains the same 204,6 but very slowly.

I keep dieting the same:

Meal 1
1.5 Mag10

Meal 2
30-40 grams Whey CFM
1 Tbsp coconut oil

Meal 3
3 - 4 Plazma (4 legs day)

Meal 4
1.5 Mag10

Meal 5
6 oz Beef

Meal 6
6 oz chicken or turkey or white fish
1 Tbsp EVOO

Meal 7
6 oz chicken or turkey or white fish

AAS

100 Master ED
100 Tren-A ED
60 Anavar
20 Nolva
6 GH

SUPPS

Z12
RezV
Mineral Pro Elite
Indigo
MicroPa
Several combinations for liver and adrenals Like Rhodiola

I introduce the stairmaster HIIT protocol 5-6 times per week. I don’t do it in leg days

BTW I’m doing it empty stomach. When I wake up I take 3 IU GH(3 more pre workout), 200 mcg T4 and 20 clen and I go to hit my legs. When I finish up I take 1.5 Mag10.

Thanks!

Hey, shadow, when it comes to training durings your pct, and the time you are off! What do you recommend? I currently use, and love a program that begins with a heavy lift for the main movement with long rest, moderate for two movements with slightly less rest, and finish off with five sets of high rep very low rest.

Basically a hollistic approach. Its a good amount of volume, but not super high, around 14 to 17 sets per muscle. I know some just use less volume pump workouts while off. Others try and train heavy to maintain. What are your thoughts?

Hello shadow how your prep going ? Can you give us an update as how is your nutrition right now and cardio? Can you share a typical day of yours? (Meal plan and supps ?)

  • anyway my guestion for you. .

If you were an 180-200 pound bodybuilder with no interest in competing what plan of atack would you follow as far as nutrition and meds to continue gain as much fat free mass as possible with the healthiest way possible ? Using the knowledge you have now?

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
What would your general recommendations be for the use of tamoxifen be during PCT? I will be using it with HCG. I’m currently tapering down now so I’ll be starting soon [/quote]

His general reccomendation would be to give him some more detailed information about yourself and the cycle you just did before he reccomends anything.

Amirite?[/quote]

he’d also probably tell you to read the thread where he’s outlined basic beginner shit like this ten thousand fucking times.

I mean really. Does google not work where you come from?

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And just when I thought you’d disappeared! :slight_smile: My forum police hard at work.
[/quote]

I’m still checking in now and then brother, don’t worry.

Not long til the Olympia now, how’s the training/diet/cycling going?

What you running at the moment?

[quote]michell wrote:
Hi Shadow,

I only post the pic to show you my progress. I’m not sure if light makes justice but I think with your experience you can watch improvements.

5 weeks out

Weight remains the same 204,6 but very slowly.

I keep dieting the same:

Meal 1
1.5 Mag10

Meal 2
30-40 grams Whey CFM
1 Tbsp coconut oil

Meal 3
3 - 4 Plazma (4 legs day)

Meal 4
1.5 Mag10

Meal 5
6 oz Beef

Meal 6
6 oz chicken or turkey or white fish
1 Tbsp EVOO

Meal 7
6 oz chicken or turkey or white fish

AAS

100 Master ED
100 Tren-A ED
60 Anavar
20 Nolva
6 GH

SUPPS

Z12
RezV
Mineral Pro Elite
Indigo
MicroPa
Several combinations for liver and adrenals Like Rhodiola

I introduce the stairmaster HIIT protocol 5-6 times per week. I don’t do it in leg days

BTW I’m doing it empty stomach. When I wake up I take 3 IU GH(3 more pre workout), 200 mcg T4 and 20 clen and I go to hit my legs. When I finish up I take 1.5 Mag10.

Thanks!

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You look much leaner and harder!

You can drink the MAG-10 30-40min before cardio… It will prevent muscle loss and won’t interrupt the fat burning process

The diet looks solid and I can definitely see progression since the last set of pictures.

[quote]Fathermithras wrote:
Hey, shadow, when it comes to training durings your pct, and the time you are off! What do you recommend? I currently use, and love a program that begins with a heavy lift for the main movement with long rest, moderate for two movements with slightly less rest, and finish off with five sets of high rep very low rest.

Basically a hollistic approach. Its a good amount of volume, but not super high, around 14 to 17 sets per muscle. I know some just use less volume pump workouts while off. Others try and train heavy to maintain. What are your thoughts?[/quote]

I believe that when you’re doing a PCT you need to lift heavy but with less volume (sometimes even half of the normal volume) something like 10-12 sets per muscle group. Keeping the basic compound lifts in and dropping the accessory work.

[quote]bill2 wrote:
Hello shadow how your prep going ? Can you give us an update as how is your nutrition right now and cardio? Can you share a typical day of yours? (Meal plan and supps ?)

  • anyway my guestion for you. .

If you were an 180-200 pound bodybuilder with no interest in competing what plan of atack would you follow as far as nutrition and meds to continue gain as much fat free mass as possible with the healthiest way possible ? Using the knowledge you have now? [/quote]

Everything is going great, thanks for asking.

That is a very general question, it completely depends on the person. If you want specific advise for yourself please post a picture with your current diet/cycle etc. and I can help. There is no diet that will work for everyone.

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
What would your general recommendations be for the use of tamoxifen be during PCT? I will be using it with HCG. I’m currently tapering down now so I’ll be starting soon [/quote]

His general reccomendation would be to give him some more detailed information about yourself and the cycle you just did before he reccomends anything.

Amirite?[/quote]

he’d also probably tell you to read the thread where he’s outlined basic beginner shit like this ten thousand fucking times.

I mean really. Does google not work where you come from?

[/quote]

And just when I thought you’d disappeared! :slight_smile: My forum police hard at work.
[/quote]

I’m still checking in now and then brother, don’t worry.

Not long til the Olympia now, how’s the training/diet/cycling going?

What you running at the moment?[/quote]

All is well…

Ok, here we go…Right now I’m using: tren-a, mast-p, test-p, primo, halotestin, winstrol (injectable), GH, insulin preworkout (on heavy days, cutting it out soon), arimidex, nolvadex, Proviron, t3, Clen

Supplements: Indigo-3G, Micro-PA, Plazma, MAG-10, Spike, Brain Candy, Curcumin, Rhodiola, Flameout, Z-12, Elitepro Minerals

This is all I can think of right now, I’m sure that I’m missing something.

The best part is that I’m doing very little cardio right now!

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
What would your general recommendations be for the use of tamoxifen be during PCT? I will be using it with HCG. I’m currently tapering down now so I’ll be starting soon [/quote]

His general reccomendation would be to give him some more detailed information about yourself and the cycle you just did before he reccomends anything.

Amirite?[/quote]

he’d also probably tell you to read the thread where he’s outlined basic beginner shit like this ten thousand fucking times.

I mean really. Does google not work where you come from?

[/quote]

And just when I thought you’d disappeared! :slight_smile: My forum police hard at work.
[/quote]

I’m still checking in now and then brother, don’t worry.

Not long til the Olympia now, how’s the training/diet/cycling going?

What you running at the moment?[/quote]

All is well…

Ok, here we go…Right now I’m using: tren-a, mast-p, test-p, primo, halotestin, winstrol (injectable), GH, insulin preworkout (on heavy days, cutting it out soon), arimidex, nolvadex, Proviron, t3, Clen

Supplements: Indigo-3G, Micro-PA, Plazma, MAG-10, Spike, Brain Candy, Curcumin, Rhodiola, Flameout, Z-12, Elitepro Minerals

This is all I can think of right now, I’m sure that I’m missing something.

The best part is that I’m doing very little cardio right now!
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Is that all? Haha.

Best of luck on the stage big guy!

Behind such simplicity I bet you have a Shadow trick…

Anyway, are you doing something different in comparison to the past year?
What kind of things are you trying to improve for your show?
and it’s not necessary to say where you expect to get , but how is your confidence or assumption of your role this year?

And last but not least a personal thought: I’m wondering how I can compensate your dedication and help. You are offering for free what other clients are paying. In fact you demonstrate absolute trust and knowledge that I like be in your hands someday. It’s difficult to share more issues and topics cause you are not able discover who you are, and there are so many pages with all the info necessary to reach new goals. I accept it but I am deeply indebted to you.

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Is that all? Haha.

Best of luck on the stage big guy![/quote]

Thank you. Its a pretty mild cycle :wink: maybe I should step it up a notch

[quote]michell wrote:
Behind such simplicity I bet you have a Shadow trick…

Anyway, are you doing something different in comparison to the past year?
What kind of things are you trying to improve for your show?
and it’s not necessary to say where you expect to get , but how is your confidence or assumption of your role this year?

And last but not least a personal thought: I’m wondering how I can compensate your dedication and help. You are offering for free what other clients are paying. In fact you demonstrate absolute trust and knowledge that I like be in your hands someday. It’s difficult to share more issues and topics cause you are not able discover who you are, and there are so many pages with all the info necessary to reach new goals. I accept it but I am deeply indebted to you.

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Less cardio this year and trying to come with my best condition ever, this will always help with a better placing. I’ve made some decent size improvements this past year so I want to make sure it’s evident on stage this year. It’s a very competitive line up, as it always is so it’s hard to predict placing. I’ll come at my best and let the judges decide.

Thank you for the positive feedback. My main purpose here is to help people do things smarter and safer. If I’m able to save at least one person from doing a damaging cycle or to help someone do well in their show then I’ve done my part. I am not out for any kind of compensation, I’m just giving genuine information and basic guidelines to keep competitors and athletes safe. It’s a way of giving back for me to help people in a sport that I make my living from.

Hey shadow, can you tell me what the rough estimate of how much money you spent on your very first show? From food all the way down to drugs and supplements. Or did you even use gear for your first comp?