Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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[quote]bishlawy wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bishlawy wrote:
Hey ShadowPro!!

Some questions regarding training:

1-Do you believe in Dorian Yates Style training?
2-Do you recommend slow reps for more time under tension or the fast explosive reps like Branch warren style for more size gains?
3-Do you prefer Full range of motion or 80% range of motion maintaining continuous tension for muscles hypertrophy?
Many thanks.[/quote]

  1. Personally I don’t think it would work for most people. Not enough volume and high risk of injury. Most people don’t know how to warm up properly for this type of training. Also, most people won’t be able to reach an intensity high enough to get real benefit from this.

  2. You need to do both. For compounds, mostly explosive reps and for isolation, slower and controlled reps.

  3. Full range 100%. Unless you’re training around an injury or working past failure.[/quote]

Well, that’s great!!

Also, if you are tired and drained, you cannot increase weight or reps in a workout, what other techniques do you use to overload a muscle, and come out with successful workout?
Thanks…
[/quote]

I would use techniques like slow negatives, forced reps, pauses at peak contractions, Supersets and drop sets etc.

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[quote]Pilosox wrote:
So, i followed your suggestion, did not se insulin and loaded on friday 30-50gr carbs per meal, but with more protein than you described. These were the macros:

Friday
Protein: 450 g
Carbs: 350 g
Fats: 55 g

OFF TRAINING

My saturday loading protocol was similar to
Layne Norton Competition peak week:

Saturday
Meal 1: (8 Hours Before Prejudging)
3 oz Sirloin Steak (lightly seasoned)

8 oz Sweet Potato

8 oz Water

Meal 2: (6 Hours Before Prejudging)
3 oz Sirloin Steak (lightly seasoned)

8 oz Sweet Potato

8 oz Water

Meal 3: (4 Hours Before Prejudging)
Protein Bar - myoplex PB (with glycerol, containing 20-30 g protein, 30-40 g carbs, and 10-15 g fat)

1 small Banana

8 oz Water

Meal 4: (2 Hours Before Prejudging)

3 oz Sirloin Steak (lightly seasoned)

14 oz Sweet Potato plus ketchup and potassium salt

no more water, just zipping to avoid thirst.

Meal 5: (Half Hour Before Stage)
2 Rice Cakes

half a protein bar

"
In between those first four meals, I also drink 12 oz of water. After Meal No. 4, I sip water as needed to quench my thirst.

I also pump up for 10 minutes after Meal Nos. 1, 4, and right before hitting the stage to help deliver glucose to muscle cells."

that was the protocol i followed. the pics are from saturday, the ones on the bottom were taken around 4 hours before competition, the last ones were just before and after the show. i dont know what you think, but i think i looked better 4 hours before, than in the pre judge itself. the competition started a little late, so i could not time the meals perfectly and i waited an extra 2 hours where i just are a little bit of a protein bar and some raice cakes, with no water, just zipping.

i used half a tab dyazide the night before, and half a tab in the morning. maybe the effect blunted by the evening and i started retaining more water?

a huge part thanks to your advices and your answers to my questions, i won my category and i classified for the sudamerican bodybuiding championship,!! that will take place IN 2 WEEKS from now.!!

Any suggestion for the peak week, as for training for these 2 weeks are very very welcome! i can train 2 times a day, and are willing to continue the AAS stack i mentioned before, as well as insulin, if you suggest a protocol that keeps me gaining lean mass and burning fat at the same time. i have plazma on hand (2-3 scoops a day is my max supply), and im taking 75mcg T3 with my AAS doses. upped the adex dose to 1mg ED, as you suggested.

currently on:
Mast p 100mg EOD
Test p 100mg EOD
tren E 200mg week

A normal day would look like this:
wake up:
1 rhodiola
20mg oxandrolone
15mg halotestin
35mcg T3
1mg adex

20 min later
breakfast: 5 egg whites, 1 scoop hydrowhey (MAG-10 is not available for me at the moment, i ordered it but wont arrive on time, i ony have 2 weeks left, remember)

1 hour later
option 1)
1 HOT-ROX
40min LOW REP STRENGHT training + 40 min incline walk (without plazma)
20gr bcaa during workout

OR

option 2)
1 C4 pre workout
2 scoops plazma + 10 UI insulin and 2 hours intense weight training, starting with O-lifting (3 explosive reps) then compound movements in the 6-8 REP range, and finishing with 10-20 reps on isolation movements.

if i do option 1, i save the plazma and insulin doses for a hypertrophy session later in the day. + 1 rhodiola and half pre workout dose

right after training:
1 scoop hydrowhey

40min after training
24oz chicken breast, 100gr quinoa, greens

2 hours later
24oz red meat, greens

2 hours later
24oz red meat, greens

2 hours later
24oz red meat, greens

before bed: 50gr whey protein isolate + 5 egg whites + cinnamon (my microwave recipe)
4-6 caps FISH OIL 600 DHA
5gr soy lecithin granules

usually a day with one training session ends up in
400-500gr protein
100-200gr carbs
50-70 gr fats

aprox 3000kcal

and with two training sessions
400-500gr protein
200-300gr carbs
60-90gr fat

aprox 3400kcal

a day without training would look like this
400gr prot
50-100gr carbs
50gr fats

i usually train 6 days a week because i cannot handle the low activity - low calorie days, so i just go and hit the weights so i can eat more…

any advice would help me a lot. i have clen on hand, and winstrol tabs, dont know if they will help now that i have only 2 weeks left… if you can, advice a useful protocol for this last 2 weeks, to thighten up a little more, hopefully without dropping the insulin ( without carbs i fell like shit).

this will help me not only for the competition that is coming, but for the rest of my contest preps. thank you very much in advance.

cheers bro, you have been a great help so far!![/quote]

Protein was way too high, you don’t need that much especially in the days before a show. Your body isn’t utilizing it. Carbs could have been a bit higher, in your case around 500 range and protein somewhere at 250.

In general, your protein shouldn’t be more than 1.5g/lb of bodyweight and since you’re doing men’s physique and you don’t hold a lot of mass you could probably even do less. Carbs on the others and could be higher.

I don’t like this loading protocol, too much water so close to prejudging. I think you probably over drank in the day before the show.

You looked very good in both bottom and top pics. I don’t see a big difference, maybe a bit drier in the bottom pics and fuller in the upper pics. This is good conditioning for stage from what I can see, the lighting is different so it’s hard to say for sure.

Don’t eat 60-90min before stage, it won’t be enough time to digest and it can make you look bloated.

You took enough diuretics, you don’t need to take more.

As for suggestions:
-drop test-p for these 2 weeks

  • try to get tren-a and not tren-e
    -bump tren and mast to 75mg/everyday for these 2 weeks.
    -increase Rhodiola to 2-3capsules. It will help prevent adrenal burn out
    -increase anavar to 40mg/day (20 won’t do much)
    -arimidex to 2mg/day in the last week… It will make you harder and drier
    -lower insulin to 5-7iu and nothing more
    -protein amounts are insane, no one I know eats 24oz in one serving… It’s insane. 8-10oz is the most I’d do.
    -in every meal you have 24oz of protein, drop it to 8-10oz and add 4-6oz of carbs
    -calories are okay but a lot more of them need to come from carbs.
    -Clen might help if you want to add it at a very low dose before training.
    -winstrol won’t do much at this point, keep it for the off season.
    -keep at intake around 50g/day, no need for more right now.
    -if you’re doing any cardio, just do HIIT. 20min 3days a week would be more than enough,

Go with option #2 but be very careful with the Olympic lifting because your body is very sensitive now.

Congrats on the win!

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[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
BTW, it’s my before and after. Even though I’m gonna take AAS for the last 12 weeks, I’m working for 20 weeks so far. As I told, 6 weeks out to keep pushing hard. But I thing the real job will come to keep my conditioning in my pct and be launched for next phases.

[/quote]

Your legs need to be tighter and leaner and you also look flat here. I would change your cardio to HIIT and think about training legs twice a week.

At 6 weeks out, if you’re not hungry I would be worried… Suck it up!
[/quote]

I train twice a week legs. I usually perform heavy and pump days. My training this week looks like this:

HEAVY DAY

  1. Leg curl
    Sets of 10 increasing weight each set. The last one is a tripe drop set plus partials at the end.

  2. Back Squat (ass to the grass)
    Sets of 8 increasing weight each set until I can’t do more sets of 8

Superset
3.1 Leg press
4 sets of 12
3.2 Bulgarian Split Squat
4 sets of 8. The last one being a triple drop set with iso-holds

  1. Leg extensions
    4 sets of 15 plus partials at the end of each set

  2. Romaninan deadlift
    4 sets of 10

PUMP DAY

  1. Leg curl variation
    6 sets of 10

  2. Adductors machine
    4 sets of 12

  3. Back Squat (explosive)
    sets of 6

  4. Leg Extensions
    1 set of 30, 1 set of 20, 1 set of 10

  5. Leg press
    4 sets of 20

Pump day I avoid any intensive/extensive technique.

  • What kind of HIIT protocol do you like?
  • How should taper down tren and master last 6 weeks?
  • Would you try halo last 3 weeks?

Thanks!
[/quote]

Go on the Stairmaster. 2 minutes as fast as you can and 2 minutes to recover… Repeat 8-10times.

You only taper down after the show. Ask me after your show and I’ll tell you.

Depends how far you want to take it, halo will make you harder but it’s very hard on your system. I don’t think you need it at the level you are competing at but it’s your call.

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[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, bodybuilding mags are not exactly jam packed with advice for the guy training naturally and unassisted…not to mention all those supplement adverts that make up 80% of the damn magazine!!!
So how would you advise a totally natural guy approaching you on things like;

How long should a weight training sessions last? (30 -40 min - less than an hour)?
How many times per week should I aim to train?..again recovery is a big issue here

Should one follow the typical bodybuilder split or stick to a full body routine?
If full body are we looking at just ONE basic exercise per major body part…should one even consider isolation exercises?

Should I mix up my exercises regularly or stick with the same basic one’s.
If I mix it up, is it weekly or only change it up after using the same exercises for 6 to 8 weeks?

How and where do you slot the cardio in and how long should the cardio sessions be considering the limited recovery ability?
I know you mentioned 20 -30 minute HIT type programs for cardio, but how do I incorporate it into my weekly programming along with the weight training (considering limited recovery ability and total training time.)

Thank you![/quote]

All of these questions are very general, it’s completely individual and depends on your level of training, experience and many other factors.

Give me some details about what you’re doing right now and what you want to achieve and maybe I can recommend a program.

This site offers a lot of free programs, depending on your goal you should be able to find something here to fit your needs.

625

[quote]

You have a lot of learning to do my friend, clomid and nolva are tabs so you obviously take them orally. HCG is usually mixed with sodium chloride solution, which you can inject subq or IM. [/quote]

Thank you helping me keep my sanity. People want to be spoonfed. I understand this might be a language barrier so reading the whole thread might be difficult.

626

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Pilosox wrote:
So, i followed your suggestion, did not se insulin and loaded on friday 30-50gr carbs per meal, but with more protein than you described. These were the macros:

Friday
Protein: 450 g
Carbs: 350 g
Fats: 55 g

OFF TRAINING

My saturday loading protocol was similar to
Layne Norton Competition peak week:

Saturday
Meal 1: (8 Hours Before Prejudging)
3 oz Sirloin Steak (lightly seasoned)

8 oz Sweet Potato

8 oz Water

Meal 2: (6 Hours Before Prejudging)
3 oz Sirloin Steak (lightly seasoned)

8 oz Sweet Potato

8 oz Water

Meal 3: (4 Hours Before Prejudging)
Protein Bar - myoplex PB (with glycerol, containing 20-30 g protein, 30-40 g carbs, and 10-15 g fat)

1 small Banana

8 oz Water

Meal 4: (2 Hours Before Prejudging)

3 oz Sirloin Steak (lightly seasoned)

14 oz Sweet Potato plus ketchup and potassium salt

no more water, just zipping to avoid thirst.

Meal 5: (Half Hour Before Stage)
2 Rice Cakes

half a protein bar

"
In between those first four meals, I also drink 12 oz of water. After Meal No. 4, I sip water as needed to quench my thirst.

I also pump up for 10 minutes after Meal Nos. 1, 4, and right before hitting the stage to help deliver glucose to muscle cells."

that was the protocol i followed. the pics are from saturday, the ones on the bottom were taken around 4 hours before competition, the last ones were just before and after the show. i dont know what you think, but i think i looked better 4 hours before, than in the pre judge itself. the competition started a little late, so i could not time the meals perfectly and i waited an extra 2 hours where i just are a little bit of a protein bar and some raice cakes, with no water, just zipping.

i used half a tab dyazide the night before, and half a tab in the morning. maybe the effect blunted by the evening and i started retaining more water?

a huge part thanks to your advices and your answers to my questions, i won my category and i classified for the sudamerican bodybuiding championship,!! that will take place IN 2 WEEKS from now.!!

Any suggestion for the peak week, as for training for these 2 weeks are very very welcome! i can train 2 times a day, and are willing to continue the AAS stack i mentioned before, as well as insulin, if you suggest a protocol that keeps me gaining lean mass and burning fat at the same time. i have plazma on hand (2-3 scoops a day is my max supply), and im taking 75mcg T3 with my AAS doses. upped the adex dose to 1mg ED, as you suggested.

currently on:
Mast p 100mg EOD
Test p 100mg EOD
tren E 200mg week

A normal day would look like this:
wake up:
1 rhodiola
20mg oxandrolone
15mg halotestin
35mcg T3
1mg adex

20 min later
breakfast: 5 egg whites, 1 scoop hydrowhey (MAG-10 is not available for me at the moment, i ordered it but wont arrive on time, i ony have 2 weeks left, remember)

1 hour later
option 1)
1 HOT-ROX
40min LOW REP STRENGHT training + 40 min incline walk (without plazma)
20gr bcaa during workout

OR

option 2)
1 C4 pre workout
2 scoops plazma + 10 UI insulin and 2 hours intense weight training, starting with O-lifting (3 explosive reps) then compound movements in the 6-8 REP range, and finishing with 10-20 reps on isolation movements.

if i do option 1, i save the plazma and insulin doses for a hypertrophy session later in the day. + 1 rhodiola and half pre workout dose

right after training:
1 scoop hydrowhey

40min after training
24oz chicken breast, 100gr quinoa, greens

2 hours later
24oz red meat, greens

2 hours later
24oz red meat, greens

2 hours later
24oz red meat, greens

before bed: 50gr whey protein isolate + 5 egg whites + cinnamon (my microwave recipe)
4-6 caps FISH OIL 600 DHA
5gr soy lecithin granules

usually a day with one training session ends up in
400-500gr protein
100-200gr carbs
50-70 gr fats

aprox 3000kcal

and with two training sessions
400-500gr protein
200-300gr carbs
60-90gr fat

aprox 3400kcal

a day without training would look like this
400gr prot
50-100gr carbs
50gr fats

i usually train 6 days a week because i cannot handle the low activity - low calorie days, so i just go and hit the weights so i can eat more…

any advice would help me a lot. i have clen on hand, and winstrol tabs, dont know if they will help now that i have only 2 weeks left… if you can, advice a useful protocol for this last 2 weeks, to thighten up a little more, hopefully without dropping the insulin ( without carbs i fell like shit).

this will help me not only for the competition that is coming, but for the rest of my contest preps. thank you very much in advance.

cheers bro, you have been a great help so far!![/quote]

Protein was way too high, you don’t need that much especially in the days before a show. Your body isn’t utilizing it. Carbs could have been a bit higher, in your case around 500 range and protein somewhere at 250.

In general, your protein shouldn’t be more than 1.5g/lb of bodyweight and since you’re doing men’s physique and you don’t hold a lot of mass you could probably even do less. Carbs on the others and could be higher.

I don’t like this loading protocol, too much water so close to prejudging. I think you probably over drank in the day before the show.

You looked very good in both bottom and top pics. I don’t see a big difference, maybe a bit drier in the bottom pics and fuller in the upper pics. This is good conditioning for stage from what I can see, the lighting is different so it’s hard to say for sure.

Don’t eat 60-90min before stage, it won’t be enough time to digest and it can make you look bloated.

You took enough diuretics, you don’t need to take more.

As for suggestions:
-drop test-p for these 2 weeks

  • try to get tren-a and not tren-e
    -bump tren and mast to 75mg/everyday for these 2 weeks.
    -increase Rhodiola to 2-3capsules. It will help prevent adrenal burn out
    -increase anavar to 40mg/day (20 won’t do much)
    -arimidex to 2mg/day in the last week… It will make you harder and drier
    -lower insulin to 5-7iu and nothing more
    -protein amounts are insane, no one I know eats 24oz in one serving… It’s insane. 8-10oz is the most I’d do.
    -in every meal you have 24oz of protein, drop it to 8-10oz and add 4-6oz of carbs
    -calories are okay but a lot more of them need to come from carbs.
    -Clen might help if you want to add it at a very low dose before training.
    -winstrol won’t do much at this point, keep it for the off season.
    -keep at intake around 50g/day, no need for more right now.
    -if you’re doing any cardio, just do HIIT. 20min 3days a week would be more than enough,

Go with option #2 but be very careful with the Olympic lifting because your body is very sensitive now.

Congrats on the win!
[/quote]

Thank you, i really appreciate the time you dedicate to every single answer. amazing tips, will do!

i did the convertion wrong, sorry. 15 oz per serving of meat is what i usually eat. anyway, its not what you recommend, so i will lower it accordingly.

Problem is, i starve with less food on the plate… will try to suck it up, and bump the carbs. thank you again.

627

[/quote]

Go on the Stairmaster. 2 minutes as fast as you can and 2 minutes to recover… Repeat 8-10times.

You only taper down after the show. Ask me after your show and I’ll tell you.

Depends how far you want to take it, halo will make you harder but it’s very hard on your system. I don’t think you need it at the level you are competing at but it’s your call.
[/quote]

Thanks for your honesty. It’s time to evolve and keep learning.

628

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Ok, so I was being nice last time but your coach is an idiot. What he’s telling you is very wrong, run away!! Yes, you’re learning the hard way but we live and learn so don’t worry… Hopefully it’s your first show of many.

Make the following changes and I promise you will make improvements just from these.

Meal 1
Drop milk… Drinking milk at 3 weeks out is absurd. Fuck, even at 10 weeks out its unheard of.
10 egg whites instead and lower oats to 50g
Don’t do insulin in the morning

Meal 2
6 oz white fish
1tbsp mct oil

Meal 3
Replace chicken with 6oz fish
1/2tbsp mct oil

Meal 4 preworkout
1 serving Plazma 25min before workout

Meal 5
2 servings Plazma depending on intensity of training and how much insulin you use.
5-10iu insulin 5-10min before workout

Meal 6 30min after
3 scoops of mag10

Meal 7
6-8 ounces of steak
Greens

At 2 weeks out, drop the test prop. For your cardio do HIIT 30-40min once a day

Lower winstrol to 50mg/day.

Change masteron and tren to 75mg everyday.

Take GH first thing in the morning and 90min before workout.

Drop igf now, it’s probably making you hold water.

This is the the best I can do for small adjustments because it’s so close to the show. After the show I recommend you find someone reliable to help you for the next show.
[/quote]

Thanks for your help shadow :slight_smile:

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Hi Shadow

   First off thanks for the amazing info! Ive been a reader on T-Nation for years without the desire to actually create an account and join in the convos until now.

I was wondering your thoughts on what route I should go for. A bit of background

I’m 26 years old. 5ft 2. 145lbs 8%bodyfat been lifting since I was 14 (came from a small town and sports was everything)

Deadlift 430
Squat 420
Bench press 250
(powerlifting background)

2 years ago I tried out a pro hormone and listened to dumb advice that I didn’t need pharma PCT that i’d do fine with tribulus. FUCKED ME UP!!!

Decided to try again but with better pct which I still didn’t fully recover from. Just ran some nolva

2 years later and just now am I starting to feel back to normal-ish. Got labs done and T levels were at 540 total

Been low dosing Tadalafil at 5mg a day for 4 mos and I don’t care what people say I’m convinced that it boosts T. Feeling like my normal self again. (started the tadalafil because libido still hadn’t fully recovered and figured id give it a shot, best choice I’ve made in a while)

I saw that you recommended someone do an aggressive PCT before they jump into a cycle again and was wondering if thats something you recommend I do.

I was originally thinking of doing a low dose Test E cycle at 250mg a week for 10 weeks with HCG and Arimidex
then pct with HCG and nolva (never tried clomid, I’m fucking skeeerrrrd of the reported mood swings. My livelihood depends on my moods)

Or should I go for the aggressive PCT?

P.S. FUCK PROHORMONES. NEVER AGAIN! Ill be the first to say if I would’ve listened to all the older dudes in the forums saying either wait a few years or suck it up and run gear instead of PH’s id be better off right now.

Thanks again for all you do

630

Shadow

I realize I have a bit pain in a small point inside areola. Does It may the beginning of gyno? If so what is your recommendation in this case?

I’m using:

100 tren-a ED
100 master ED
60 anavar
20 nolva

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BTW, after small changes, Lets see what happen

632

[quote]slick_rick wrote:
Hi Shadow

   First off thanks for the amazing info! Ive been a reader on T-Nation for years without the desire to actually create an account and join in the convos until now.

I was wondering your thoughts on what route I should go for. A bit of background

I’m 26 years old. 5ft 2. 145lbs 8%bodyfat been lifting since I was 14 (came from a small town and sports was everything)

Deadlift 430
Squat 420
Bench press 250
(powerlifting background)

2 years ago I tried out a pro hormone and listened to dumb advice that I didn’t need pharma PCT that i’d do fine with tribulus. FUCKED ME UP!!!

Decided to try again but with better pct which I still didn’t fully recover from. Just ran some nolva

2 years later and just now am I starting to feel back to normal-ish. Got labs done and T levels were at 540 total

Been low dosing Tadalafil at 5mg a day for 4 mos and I don’t care what people say I’m convinced that it boosts T. Feeling like my normal self again. (started the tadalafil because libido still hadn’t fully recovered and figured id give it a shot, best choice I’ve made in a while)

I saw that you recommended someone do an aggressive PCT before they jump into a cycle again and was wondering if thats something you recommend I do.

I was originally thinking of doing a low dose Test E cycle at 250mg a week for 10 weeks with HCG and Arimidex
then pct with HCG and nolva (never tried clomid, I’m fucking skeeerrrrd of the reported mood swings. My livelihood depends on my moods)

Or should I go for the aggressive PCT?

P.S. FUCK PROHORMONES. NEVER AGAIN! Ill be the first to say if I would’ve listened to all the older dudes in the forums saying either wait a few years or suck it up and run gear instead of PH’s id be better off right now.

Thanks again for all you do

[/quote]

The question is, do you think you’re completely recovered in terms of libido, test levels and energy levels?

If you are fully recovered then you can go ahead and start the low dose test cycle you suggested and there’s no need for pct before. If you’re still having issues then you might want to consider a pct before starting but from what I understand you’re almost fully recovered so there’s no need for an aggressive pct.

In the dosage you are suggesting, you can probably get away without clomid in the pct. Just use a strong test booster like Alpha Male with the HCG and nolvadex when you start the pct.

I’m not a big fan of prohormones either… Complete crap!

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[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow

I realize I have a bit pain in a small point inside areola. Does It may the beginning of gyno? If so what is your recommendation in this case?

I’m using:

100 tren-a ED
100 master ED
60 anavar
20 nolva

[/quote]

It might be, but only you can know for sure. You could try increasing the nolvadex if you think it’s gyno.

634

[quote]michell wrote:
BTW, after small changes, Lets see what happen[/quote]

Are you flexing your legs in this picture or are they relaxed?

635

I’d be grateful for any pointers/advice you have. I’ve done several cycles and stacks over the years, but in no way consider myself a expert in this arena.

Needing advice on a cycle I’m planning out. I want to do sust 250 for 10-12 weeks.
How would you run this? 500-750mg?
Could I add more test prop?

I was thinking
Sunday 250 sust + 40mg test prop
Tuesday 100mg test prop
Thursday 250 sust + 40mg test prop

Should I add another day on that?

I’m 5’4
160lbs
8% body fat
Diet is clean. I plan on increasing my protein intake and limiting fats.
Workout 4-5 times a week

Also Pct. What do you recommend? Hcg, proviron or novadex? Or something else

636

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
BTW, after small changes, Lets see what happen[/quote]

Are you flexing your legs in this picture or are they relaxed?
[/quote]

Relaxed. Just pumped.

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Yea I think I’m gonna go ahead and jump onto the cycle. Would you recommend the 250mg dose or higher?

Also I’m not against trying clomid so if you thinks it’s best then I’ll take your word for it.

Thinking

10 weeks
250mg test e
.5 a-dex EOD
Then pct
Hcg
Clomid or nolva dex
Alpha Male

Just not sure of the dosage for hcg and when to use it. I know you’ve probably already answered that but is hcg best during or just after?

Thanks again

638

[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
BTW, after small changes, Lets see what happen[/quote]

Are you flexing your legs in this picture or are they relaxed?
[/quote]

Relaxed. Just pumped.
[/quote]

Take a picture of them flexed with no pump when you wake up in the morning. I can’t tell anything from this picture.

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[quote]slick_rick wrote:
Yea I think I’m gonna go ahead and jump onto the cycle. Would you recommend the 250mg dose or higher?

Also I’m not against trying clomid so if you thinks it’s best then I’ll take your word for it.

Thinking

10 weeks
250mg test e
.5 a-dex EOD
Then pct
Hcg
Clomid or nolva dex
Alpha Male

Just not sure of the dosage for hcg and when to use it. I know you’ve probably already answered that but is hcg best during or just after?

Thanks again [/quote]

HCG 250iu 2x/week during the cycle

Clomid isn’t necessarily a must, depends how sensitive you are… With a low dose like this you probably won’t need it but let’s see how you feel at the end of the cycle.

250mg is a good place to start and I would run it for 12 weeks rather than 10. At 6 weeks you can bump it up to 400mg/week and keep it there until the end.

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BTW, after small changes, Lets see what happen[/quote]

Are you flexing your legs in this picture or are they relaxed?
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Relaxed. Just pumped.
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Take a picture of them flexed with no pump when you wake up in the morning. I can’t tell anything from this picture.
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