If you’ve already decided to do it and want to use the stuff you have, I would suggest doing it like this:
Test-C 500mg/week (you might want to switch to test-p around 8 weeks out, or cut it out completely at 2 weeks out depending how your body reacts)
Tren-A 75mg eod
Winstrol 25mg everyday (first 6weeks)
50-60mg everyday (4 weeks before show)
HCG 250iu e3d
Nolva 10-20mg ed
Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500 e3d (4 weeks while you use clomid)
Use Plazma as your main carb/protein source during the workout and use indigo 30min prior to workout, this will help with body composition tremendously.
[/quote]
Ahh yes I did leave out that I’ve ran test w/ tren e in the past. It’s just so long in between my cycles that most of my legitimate gains are made while off cycle. And thanks for the advice! Look forward to see more of this thread!
Do you think this would be a good first time pin cycle? I recently just found a source for pharm grade from a prescription. My plan is to wait a bit but still wanna do my research and get everything in order before hand. Goal is to add some size but keep it lean, obviously diet dictates that. Want to keep water retention minimal if possible.
Weeks 1-12: Test Cyp (400-500mg/ week in 2 shots)
Weeks 10-15: Winstrol 50mg
Weeks 2-15: Arimidex: .5mg EOD
Weeks 4-15: HCG at 250 IU/2x a week
Will have on hand: Nolva, Torem/Clomid, Armidex, Letro
Would an AI be necessary for this low dose of test? I’d have it on hand obviously but I’m not sure if it’s needed.
Just want to keep it simple as it’ll be my first time pinning me. A former “user” is my source and he used to compete as well. He’s on TRT now, so he said he can get me gear and has for others in the past.
Again I don’t plan on running this for another 4-6 months, but just wanna get my ducks in a row and make the necessary purchases.
OK, So lets say you wake up at 11 AM the day of the competition having done your above described insulin protocol the day before… 5 ui with Every other meal, and a little spironolatone use.
What would you do with CARBS, INSULIN, WATER, DIURETICS and SODIUM/POTASSIUM the competition day (if the pre-judge is around 8pm that day, given the possible following scenarios:
you look good, full muscles and low water retention
you look flat, but no water retention
you look big,full and with water retention
you look flat and with water retention
Thank you and hopefully you answer soon, as i have a competition coming on on saturday, and i will start your insulin loading protocol tonorrow, but would like to know what to do on saturday, too.!!
I would be ideal to have a certified trainer or at least ex IFBB pro competitor that monitors me, but there is no such trainer here, so the only whay of learning, is trough the internet, and the best approaches are definitely the ones you share here.
Thanks for the reply Shadow, you know its appreciated!
Hypothetically, when going on HRT, say (Test-E) 250 once a week, would one still be running a small dose of anti-e full time in the background or just cycle it in if any issues occur? If running full time how much?
I ask because I am not sure if some folks might get some shitty aromatising issues, even at 250?
Do you plan on running an anti-e regime when you retire?
In terms of the HCG, lets say you dont want kids, would you still suggest cycling the HCG in once or twice a year for say 8 - 10 weeks?
I am asking cause I am not sure how healthy it’s gonna be to keep the testicles shutdown for decades, wont it cause problems?
[quote]pravikhaira85 wrote:
Hey shadow,
Got a real big problem here. M 30 year old unmarried man, ill b married soon. I used stanazol fr 6 weeks in july last year that is 2013. Behavd very foolosh didnt do ny pct whtsoevr. Jst some tamoxifin here n thr. What ws evn worse tht i stoped using test aftr frst two weeks. Again took two weeks of deca with susta in dec 2013. Thn had to quit it inbetween bcoz of sum reason.
Since thn m off aas expecting tht sumhow my hpta will start working again. But its been almost a year, still nothings working. Leave aside morning woods its nt even errecting. What should i do. Ws thinking of new eq cycle bt have totaly dropped it fr d tym being. Will pct be of ny help now. I dont evn knw wht blood tests i gotta get done. Plz help[/quote]
You probably shut yourself down because of what you did. I would go and ask for a blood test that includes all testosterone levels and prolactin levels. If your levels are low (which I’m assuming they are) you’ll be prescribed HCG and/or HRT which will help reverse the problem.
In general, pct can help right now but I would suggest to go to the doctor and tell him all of the symptoms you just told me. If you want to go ahead and do it yourself you can use HCG, clomid and nolva, dosages would depend on how low your test levels are. You could start with something like…
1000iu of HCG eod (6 weeks)
Clomid for 4 weeks (100/100/50/50)
Nolvadex 5 weeks (40/40/40/20/20)
[/quote]
Thnx fr d reply shadow,
I’ll get my tests done…
I’ll these b enough or should i add sum more into it…
There’s a lot smarter ways to cut. 2 hours a day for most people is just wayyyy too much.
Only having carbs in the morning isn’t a good idea at all, have you read any of my posts about the importance of peri-workout nutrition?
Increasing t3 isn’t a magic fix, it all depends on your diet and training. Your 2 hours of cardio most certainly isn’t helping with the striations, if anything you’ll be losing muscle from this.
How many weeks out are you? Can you post a current picture?
[/quote]
Yes i read it, but i have a coach who dosent belive in it. I know.
Im about 3 weeks out. I have a lot of water in me. Especially in my upperbody. Your thourgts?
If you’ve already decided to do it and want to use the stuff you have, I would suggest doing it like this:
Test-C 500mg/week (you might want to switch to test-p around 8 weeks out, or cut it out completely at 2 weeks out depending how your body reacts)
Tren-A 75mg eod
Winstrol 25mg everyday (first 6weeks)
50-60mg everyday (4 weeks before show)
HCG 250iu e3d
Nolva 10-20mg ed
Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500 e3d (4 weeks while you use clomid)
Use Plazma as your main carb/protein source during the workout and use indigo 30min prior to workout, this will help with body composition tremendously.
[/quote]
Ahh yes I did leave out that I’ve ran test w/ tren e in the past. It’s just so long in between my cycles that most of my legitimate gains are made while off cycle. And thanks for the advice! Look forward to see more of this thread![/quote]
Kind of a big piece of information to leave out! There’s a big difference between being natural and using one of the most powerful injectables out there.
Do you think this would be a good first time pin cycle? I recently just found a source for pharm grade from a prescription. My plan is to wait a bit but still wanna do my research and get everything in order before hand. Goal is to add some size but keep it lean, obviously diet dictates that. Want to keep water retention minimal if possible.
Weeks 1-12: Test Cyp (400-500mg/ week in 2 shots)
Weeks 10-15: Winstrol 50mg
Weeks 2-15: Arimidex: .5mg EOD
Weeks 4-15: HCG at 250 IU/2x a week
Will have on hand: Nolva, Torem/Clomid, Armidex, Letro
Would an AI be necessary for this low dose of test? I’d have it on hand obviously but I’m not sure if it’s needed.
Just want to keep it simple as it’ll be my first time pinning me. A former “user” is my source and he used to compete as well. He’s on TRT now, so he said he can get me gear and has for others in the past.
Again I don’t plan on running this for another 4-6 months, but just wanna get my ducks in a row and make the necessary purchases.
thanks for the help![/quote]
Cycle looks good but start winstrol from the beginning or 2nd week at the latest. The small amount of Adex you have will help you, keep it in.
OK, So lets say you wake up at 11 AM the day of the competition having done your above described insulin protocol the day before… 5 ui with Every other meal, and a little spironolatone use.
What would you do with CARBS, INSULIN, WATER, DIURETICS and SODIUM/POTASSIUM the competition day (if the pre-judge is around 8pm that day, given the possible following scenarios:
you look good, full muscles and low water retention
you look flat, but no water retention
you look big,full and with water retention
you look flat and with water retention
Thank you and hopefully you answer soon, as i have a competition coming on on saturday, and i will start your insulin loading protocol tonorrow, but would like to know what to do on saturday, too.!!
I would be ideal to have a certified trainer or at least ex IFBB pro competitor that monitors me, but there is no such trainer here, so the only whay of learning, is trough the internet, and the best approaches are definitely the ones you share here.
so ill be looking forward to your answer!
thanks again man
[/quote]
How about you post current pictures and I can give you pieces of useful advice along the way instead of using random/general scenarios.
It’s hard to give advise without knowing who I’m dealing with and this is specifically why I said that the “insulin protocol” I suggested isn’t recommended for anyone to try.
If you aren’t lean enough right now I wouldn’t bother, so post up some pics.
[quote]Warner wrote:
Thanks for the reply Shadow, you know its appreciated!
Hypothetically, when going on HRT, say (Test-E) 250 once a week, would one still be running a small dose of anti-e full time in the background or just cycle it in if any issues occur? If running full time how much?
I ask because I am not sure if some folks might get some shitty aromatising issues, even at 250?
Do you plan on running an anti-e regime when you retire?
In terms of the HCG, lets say you dont want kids, would you still suggest cycling the HCG in once or twice a year for say 8 - 10 weeks?
I am asking cause I am not sure how healthy it’s gonna be to keep the testicles shutdown for decades, wont it cause problems? [/quote]
It depends on the individual, some people are sensitive and will have to run arimidex or nolva at a very low dose. People who aren’t sensitive can get away without it.
You can run HCG in two cycles a year if you want but no need to do it all year long. It’s not going to make a huge difference either way.
[quote]pravikhaira85 wrote:
Hey shadow,
Got a real big problem here. M 30 year old unmarried man, ill b married soon. I used stanazol fr 6 weeks in july last year that is 2013. Behavd very foolosh didnt do ny pct whtsoevr. Jst some tamoxifin here n thr. What ws evn worse tht i stoped using test aftr frst two weeks. Again took two weeks of deca with susta in dec 2013. Thn had to quit it inbetween bcoz of sum reason.
Since thn m off aas expecting tht sumhow my hpta will start working again. But its been almost a year, still nothings working. Leave aside morning woods its nt even errecting. What should i do. Ws thinking of new eq cycle bt have totaly dropped it fr d tym being. Will pct be of ny help now. I dont evn knw wht blood tests i gotta get done. Plz help[/quote]
You probably shut yourself down because of what you did. I would go and ask for a blood test that includes all testosterone levels and prolactin levels. If your levels are low (which I’m assuming they are) you’ll be prescribed HCG and/or HRT which will help reverse the problem.
In general, pct can help right now but I would suggest to go to the doctor and tell him all of the symptoms you just told me. If you want to go ahead and do it yourself you can use HCG, clomid and nolva, dosages would depend on how low your test levels are. You could start with something like…
1000iu of HCG eod (6 weeks)
Clomid for 4 weeks (100/100/50/50)
Nolvadex 5 weeks (40/40/40/20/20)
[/quote]
Thnx fr d reply shadow,
I’ll get my tests done…
I’ll these b enough or should i add sum more into it…
Free test
Total test
Lh
Fsh
E2
Prolactin
Shbg
Dhea-s
Tsh
[/quote]
This looks good, but also add a regular blood count test to this.
There’s a lot smarter ways to cut. 2 hours a day for most people is just wayyyy too much.
Only having carbs in the morning isn’t a good idea at all, have you read any of my posts about the importance of peri-workout nutrition?
Increasing t3 isn’t a magic fix, it all depends on your diet and training. Your 2 hours of cardio most certainly isn’t helping with the striations, if anything you’ll be losing muscle from this.
How many weeks out are you? Can you post a current picture?
[/quote]
Yes i read it, but i have a coach who dosent belive in it. I know.
Im about 3 weeks out. I have a lot of water in me. Especially in my upperbody. Your thourgts?
[/quote]
Sorry to break it to you, but if this is how you look from doing 2 hours of cardio a day and carbs only at breakfast. You should fire your coach! You can be so much better than this and it’s a shame because you obviously know how to put in the work.
As for specifics, your legs looks very flat and lacking detail (due to the cardio). All over you are soft and the muscles are not “popping” due to the cardio and wrong timing of carbs. Chest and shoulders need a lot more detail especially at 3 weeks out. You should be close to stage ready at this point.
On top of this, you still have some bodyfat to lose (assuming you’re doing a bodybuilding show)
Your body is probably in some kind of defense mechanism because of all of the cardio and under eating, this is why the body will struggle to hold on to the last few pounds of fat. It’s hard for me to give advise because you will need to change everything from diet, training and cardio.
My best advise is to hire a reputable bodybuilding coach, just do your research. Don’t go after any Internet gurus who are just good at marketing. Make sure they have a good track record with clients and themselves… If they can’t get themselves in shape then they can’t be relied on to bring you in shape.
From my experience, most people who are not high national level or pros don’t have enough personal experience and are usually just Internet gurus who can’t produce the results they promise.
OK, So lets say you wake up at 11 AM the day of the competition having done your above described insulin protocol the day before… 5 ui with Every other meal, and a little spironolatone use.
What would you do with CARBS, INSULIN, WATER, DIURETICS and SODIUM/POTASSIUM the competition day (if the pre-judge is around 8pm that day, given the possible following scenarios:
you look good, full muscles and low water retention
you look flat, but no water retention
you look big,full and with water retention
you look flat and with water retention
Thank you and hopefully you answer soon, as i have a competition coming on on saturday, and i will start your insulin loading protocol tonorrow, but would like to know what to do on saturday, too.!!
I would be ideal to have a certified trainer or at least ex IFBB pro competitor that monitors me, but there is no such trainer here, so the only whay of learning, is trough the internet, and the best approaches are definitely the ones you share here.
so ill be looking forward to your answer!
thanks again man
[/quote]
How about you post current pictures and I can give you pieces of useful advice along the way instead of using random/general scenarios.
It’s hard to give advise without knowing who I’m dealing with and this is specifically why I said that the “insulin protocol” I suggested isn’t recommended for anyone to try.
If you aren’t lean enough right now I wouldn’t bother, so post up some pics.[/quote]
sorry the above image was from the past olympia. here it is my status right now. 3 kg heavier.
Current diet:
400gr prot
100-200gr carbs (pre and intra workout)
50-70gr fats
my competition is in 24 hours from now. yesterday i did a carb deload, consumed only 50 gr carbs. today im loading and its 5 pm and ive already eaten 130 gr carbs, from rice, quinoa, and a banana. no insulin yet. have dyazide on hand.
current AAS:
Insulin pre workout 5-10 ui
test p 100MG EOD (6 weeeks in)
MAST P 100MG EOD (6 weeks in)
TREN E (not able to get tren A) 200mg WEEK ( 6 weeks in)
ANAVAR 20 MG ED (2 weeks in)
HALO 15MG ED (2 weeks in)
PROVIRON 75mg ED (2 weeks in)
ADEX 0.5 -0.75 ED ( 6 weeks in)
Oral are only 2 weeks in because if i win my category tomorrow, i will compete at the south american bodybuilding championship, so i timed them 4 weeks till the big event. (bugdet is what restricts the weeks of usage)
yesterday did 20mg DBOL before bed,
today 10 mg in the morning. i feel it helps me fill out, and i up the adex to .75 - 1 mg ED.
please advice, what would you do, now that i have only 24 hours left, to fill the muscles and dry out. thank you
hopefully you see this post soon. it was my mistake not uploading pictures before. sorry.
