Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]

It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.

Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[/quote]

Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?

What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?

Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?

Thanks for reply[/quote]

Theoretically you can add any of these but it depends on your goal, level and experience. If you are going to continue to train and eat properly after the cycle then it will determine how much of the gains you will keep.

As for the peptides, I’ve went over how I feel about these many times. You can try them if you want but I don’t believe you’ll be able to get your hands on the real thing.

If you have questions about how to use GH, read through the first thread… You’ll find a lot of information about it there.[/quote]

My best gains have been with combinations of test and tren, but I take long time to recover when using tren. Do you have any advice on how I can better manage to get thru a cycle of tren? Sexual potence/libido is what gets hurt. I get the same with Deca. I realize the problem must lie in my PCT not beeing optimal. Any suggestions would be great.
I realy would like to be able to use tren again.
Could you recomend some dosages? and cycle setup.
If I where to use for example sustanon 250, or test E, combined with fast or slow acting tren, dianabol and humalog insulin pre workout(can be used without hgh for good effect?) and maybe hgh or IGF1-LR3.
Goal of cycle would be to promote power and muscle growth + the ability to recover faster due to intense training (armwrestling).

age 31,
weight 220lbs,
bodyfat% 11-12,(will be 10 or lower before i start cycle)
years of training 12 year lifting weights,
frequency 5 times a week,
first cycle after 7 years of lifting. Done 6 cycles. Longest cycle was 18 months. Higest dosage was ~1300mg ew, tolerated this well.
Experience with test e, sustanon, tren a & e, deca, eq, hgh, humalog, mast, diana, anadrol, aromasin, nolvadex, hcg (tryed both during cycle and after).[/quote]

Did you try caber when you were on tren and deca? Sounds to me like you have prolactin issues from what I read and caber can help solve this. .5mg every 3rd day is a good dose to start at and usually fixes issues.

Start with 100mg of tren-a every other day with test, dbol and caber. The dosages for the rest of the compounds would depend on what you’ve used before. A moderate dosage would be something like 750mg/week and 30-60mg of dbol everyday. If you can afford GH it’s a great idea.

Insulin depends on your bodyfat level, the leaner you are the more likely you can get away with using it without GH but I wouldn’t generally recommend doing this.

Also, use nolvadex and HCG through the whole cycle.
[/quote]

I never heard about Caber, but I can get my hands on the liquid one.
How does this look? any adjustments you would have done?

Sustanon 250 week 1 - 12, 250mg eod
Tren A week 2 - 9, 100mg eod
Dianabol week 3 - 8, 60mg ed
Nolvadex week 1 - 12, 20mg ed
Caber week 1 - 12, 0,5mg e3d
HCG: dose and frequency?

*HGH week 1 - 16, 5ui ed (2,5 morning and night subq)
*Insulin week 3 - 9, 5-10 ui every workout (working upwards from 5)

PCT:
Nolvadex week 15 - 18, 2 weeks 40mg ed, 2 weeks 20mg ed
(do you use Nolva the 2 first weeks after ending a cycle?)
HCG week 12 → 10-12 shots 3000ui e3d (pinned subq or im?)
Caber week 12 - 18, 0,5mg e3d[/quote]

I would start dbol at week 1, not 3.
HCG 250 every 3rd day
GH pre workout and before bed

Yes, keep the nolva in throughout the whole cycle and the first 2 weeks of the pct.

You can add clomid to the pct. 100/100/50/50

Everything else looks good.

562

[quote]mainstream wrote:
Hello Shadow,

  1. What bikini pro competitors are using?

  2. What do you think a female athlete can use for contest prep?

  3. What compounds female athlete definitely should not use?

Thank you,[/quote]

They shouldn’t use anything because there’s no need. But they do… First things that come to mind are anavar, primo, t3, clenbuterol, arimidex, Proviron. Honestly, I’ve heard it all! A bikini physique is very attainable without use of drugs and it’s a shame to hear what some of them are using.

Depends on the category you are competing in. What I listed above are some things that are most commonly used. I would recommend not to use anything that you don’t see on this list unless you want to experience some horrible side effects.

Anything a female uses should be done with extreme caution and VERY low doses. Unless they are getting paid through professionally based on a specific look or for performance then I’d suggest not touching it.

563

[quote]
you can suggest what drugs for pct,for i recovery time at least 8 weeks and possibly more?thx a lot plx!![/quote]

Clomid HCG and nolvadex. Dosages have been mentioned several times previously.

564

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]

It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.

Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[/quote]

Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?

What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?

Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?

Thanks for reply[/quote]

Theoretically you can add any of these but it depends on your goal, level and experience. If you are going to continue to train and eat properly after the cycle then it will determine how much of the gains you will keep.

As for the peptides, I’ve went over how I feel about these many times. You can try them if you want but I don’t believe you’ll be able to get your hands on the real thing.

If you have questions about how to use GH, read through the first thread… You’ll find a lot of information about it there.[/quote]

My best gains have been with combinations of test and tren, but I take long time to recover when using tren. Do you have any advice on how I can better manage to get thru a cycle of tren? Sexual potence/libido is what gets hurt. I get the same with Deca. I realize the problem must lie in my PCT not beeing optimal. Any suggestions would be great.
I realy would like to be able to use tren again.
Could you recomend some dosages? and cycle setup.
If I where to use for example sustanon 250, or test E, combined with fast or slow acting tren, dianabol and humalog insulin pre workout(can be used without hgh for good effect?) and maybe hgh or IGF1-LR3.
Goal of cycle would be to promote power and muscle growth + the ability to recover faster due to intense training (armwrestling).

age 31,
weight 220lbs,
bodyfat% 11-12,(will be 10 or lower before i start cycle)
years of training 12 year lifting weights,
frequency 5 times a week,
first cycle after 7 years of lifting. Done 6 cycles. Longest cycle was 18 months. Higest dosage was ~1300mg ew, tolerated this well.
Experience with test e, sustanon, tren a & e, deca, eq, hgh, humalog, mast, diana, anadrol, aromasin, nolvadex, hcg (tryed both during cycle and after).[/quote]

Did you try caber when you were on tren and deca? Sounds to me like you have prolactin issues from what I read and caber can help solve this. .5mg every 3rd day is a good dose to start at and usually fixes issues.

Start with 100mg of tren-a every other day with test, dbol and caber. The dosages for the rest of the compounds would depend on what you’ve used before. A moderate dosage would be something like 750mg/week and 30-60mg of dbol everyday. If you can afford GH it’s a great idea.

Insulin depends on your bodyfat level, the leaner you are the more likely you can get away with using it without GH but I wouldn’t generally recommend doing this.

Also, use nolvadex and HCG through the whole cycle.
[/quote]

I never heard about Caber, but I can get my hands on the liquid one.
How does this look? any adjustments you would have done?

Sustanon 250 week 1 - 12, 250mg eod
Tren A week 2 - 9, 100mg eod
Dianabol week 3 - 8, 60mg ed
Nolvadex week 1 - 12, 20mg ed
Caber week 1 - 12, 0,5mg e3d
HCG: dose and frequency?

*HGH week 1 - 16, 5ui ed (2,5 morning and night subq)
*Insulin week 3 - 9, 5-10 ui every workout (working upwards from 5)

PCT:
Nolvadex week 15 - 18, 2 weeks 40mg ed, 2 weeks 20mg ed
(do you use Nolva the 2 first weeks after ending a cycle?)
HCG week 12 → 10-12 shots 3000ui e3d (pinned subq or im?)
Caber week 12 - 18, 0,5mg e3d[/quote]

I would start dbol at week 1, not 3.
HCG 250 every 3rd day
GH pre workout and before bed

Yes, keep the nolva in throughout the whole cycle and the first 2 weeks of the pct.

You can add clomid to the pct. 100/100/50/50

Everything else looks good.
[/quote]

So it ends up looking like this then:

Sustanon 250 week 1 - 12, 250mg eod
Tren A Week 2 - 9, 100mg eod
Dianabol Week 1 - 6, 30mg x2 ed pre-workout and before bed
Nolvadex Week 1 - 12, 20mg ed
Caber Week 1 - 12, 0,5mg e3d
HCG Week 1 - 12, 250mg e3d

*HGH Week 1 - 18, 5ui x2 ed, pre-workout and before bed
*Insulin Week 3 - 9, 5 → 10ui pre-workout

PCT:
Nolvadex
Week 13 - 16, 40mg ed
Week 17 - 18, 20mg ed

Clomid Week 13 - 16, 100/100/50/50mg ed
Caber Week 13 - 18, 0,5mg e3d
HCG Week 13 → 10-12 shots 3000ui e3d

Do you pin HCG im or subq ?

565

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Hey shadow, thank you for the 17 responses to my previous post a few weeks ago, and i am glad you did like the questions and answered them gladly and with detail !

if you are not very tired of answering new questions, here i have developed some new interesting ones:

You said your ideal time to do you cardio is after a workout. but what happpens if you injected for example 10 ui humalog IM, and zipped 2 scoops of Plazma intra workout, and your workout lasted 1:40 hours. You will still have the insulin in your body until 3-4 hours of injection, right?

SO, is it better to sit down and wait 2 - 2 30 hours more and then perform your cardio when the insulin has faded, or can you do the cardio with the insulin still in your system? (wont this blunt the fat burning effect of the cardio?)

I did your protocol for 3 weeks, insulin before breakfast (5-10ui) and insulin before workout (10-15 ui), and some times only before workout, always zipping on Plazma. (combined with no GH and a good AS cycle) with only this addition I GAINED 2 CLEAN (OR ALMOST CLEAN) KG OF MUSCLE, it was very impressive.

BUT i like to measure my Fasting glucose levels with a glucometer, and with this protocol my FGL went from 85-90mg/dl to 110-120mg/dl, in a few weeks. It makes me think that i loose insulin sensitivity very quickly, but i did not gain any fat on the process.
Is this sustainable in the long run? (high FGL but using insulin anyway?)
any way to drive FGL back to range WHILE using slin?

im thinking metformin but i see you dont like the stuff, any clear reason why not using it for short periods of time to solve this problem?

  1. is it better for insulin sensitivity to consume only 7-8gr carbs per 10 ui slin? (less carbs than 1 per ui)? or it has nothing to do with it?

  2. What would the ideal glucose level be if using Humalog preworkout, when finishing the workout? 80mg/dl ?

4.1) Sometimes i finish the workout with this reading, and after the insulin fades (4hrs) my glucose level rises to 110-120mg/dl BUT I HAVENT EATEN ANY CARBS, only the intra workout plazma hours before. any hints why is this happening?

  1. when you tapper down your compounds to enter PCT, do you use something similar to the “stasis taper” proposed by a member of T-Nation some years ago?( you wait 6 weeeks injecting only 100mg test and nothing more, and then taper down) please give vour opinion about this protocol, and do you even knew about it?

  2. all the years before you arrival to this forum, many many entities never recommended more than 500 UI per HCG shot, and never using it in PCT. I see you recommend 1000-5000 UI shots in PCT, like old school bodybuilders did, but this is against many new school opinions, as these doses are supposed to create a negative feedback loop and the extreme rise in testosterone from those HCG doses would cause more supression and at a higher level than the HPTA (due to the HCG acting at another level than exo test) AND the aromatization in the testicles would be extremely high with those HCG doses.
    please comment on this topic, as the different opinions can confuse us mortals sometimes…hehe…

  3. IF HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING you see your client and think he is a good candidate to use insulin until THE DAY of the show, what would be a loading protocol with insulin look like? what about water intake when using insulin the day of the show? diuretics?

please give general ideas so i can experiment with myself and come up with a good protocol, some guidelines would be very appreciated, i know your opinion is that it is very individual, but generally speaking, it would be nice to know some tips, general guielines, etc. for a protocol like this. !

  1. Microwaving eggs, whey protein, etc. any downfall? its an easy and quick alernative to regular cooking, but do you absorb the protein as good as regular cooking?

Thank you in advance again, and i hope you enjoy my questions. i think you are the only one able to answer them, so please ! enlighten me!! jeje

cheers from chile![/quote]

  1. Ideally your workout should be closer to 2-2.5hours especially if you are doing insulin and Plazma. By this time your insulin has already peaked. I don’t see an issue to do the cardio right away, any effect it will have on the fat burning process is very minimal. In the big picture, what matters is how much extra energy expenditure you have… My cardio is very mild and never more than 20-30 min, I only use it as an extra energy expenditure. Most of my fat burning is occurring from the diet.

  2. When you’re using insulin there will always be an increase in FDL, it’s normal since you are using outside insulin. As long as you keep eating clean, your “real” insulin sensitivity won’t go down that fast. I’ll always go by my current bodyfat percentage, if I’m very lean I know it’s not bad but if I start to gain fat then I will back off the insulin.

I’m not against metformin, you can use it if you want. I just think if you’re using insulin for 6-8 weeks and then off for the same amount of time then your insulin sensitivity won’t be hurt significantly. Assuming you’re starting from a very lean state.

  1. If you’re not going hypo then by all means use less carbs than 1:1 It’s individual and you have to experiment, it will help with insulin sensitivity to an extent.

4.a. It’s hard for me to give you an exact number as it’s very individual based on many factors.
4b. My best guess would be that your body is still absorbing some of the carbs and this is why it’s not down completely. It should be a little lower than this. Check after 6 hours and see what you find. The insulin is probably still in your system at this 4 hour point.

  1. Never heard about this system. I usually just taper down more gradually than this and go into my pct.

  2. I understand this system and I see the scientific logic behind it. I can tell you from many years of trial and error that the high dosage of HCG works great probably due to the high dosages we are using and the fact that most pros never ACTUALLY come off completely and require a higher dosage to make any kind of impact. All of the studies done are on regular people, not steroid abusing bodybuilder haha… This changes the whole picture.

  3. This is very VERY general… * I don’t recommend anyone actually try this unless they have a coach with them who knows what they are doing. This is not a standard protocol by any means!
    In order for this you need to be 100% on that day, anything less than this will lead a disastrous watery mess on stage.
    Depends on the amount of carbs you’re loading with but a conservative approach would be to take 5iu with every meal or every other meal depending on how much you’re filling up and how much water you hold. Carbs would be a combination of simple and complex carbs (yams and honey for example) and a small amount of protein. Drink 4-8oz of water with each meal (amount depends on the individual)

A more aggressive approach would be 3 big shots of 10-20iu of Humalog followed by large amounts of carbs and a small amount of water to help absorption. If you go this route you’ll need to use aldactizide or aldactone with each shot and the amount would be 25-50mg depending on the individual.

Depending how you look in the morning, you’ll need to make appropriate adjustments with food and diuretics.

  1. Never saw an issue with this. I wouldn’t cook all of your meals in the microwave but there’s no problem with it besides that it tastes like shit. And any effect on absorption would be minimal if any.

[/quote]

4b) measured 6 hours later and glucose reading was 103. perfect! thanks!

for question 7 about the insulin protocol. are you talking about THE SAME DAY of the competiton, or one day before?

thank you. I love you. seriously =O. thank you for sharing all your knowledge, it is really a gift for everybody to be able to read this info for free.

I will come back with more questions soon, be prepared! haha

cheers bro, thank you again! !!!

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Hi Shadow, I assume that at some point down the road you will retire from competative bodybuilding and just cruze at some level of test for the rest of your life (HRT).
I was wondering how much test you would be looking at on a weekly basis. Also what type of test do you have in mind, sustanon, test C / E?

For interest what is your thoughts on the frequency of sustanon shots for TRT purposes, some say 250mg once a week is perfect, others say its to much for TRT and 250mg once in two weeks is better due to the longer esters?
I was just wondering (for a regular guy with non competative bb history) which of Sus / E or C would be best suited for TRT purposes, how much and why?

What other compounds would you also consider to be on permanently… HGH, HCG?

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Hey shadow, first off just wanted to say how incredible this thread is, I’ve taken the time to read over everything said multiple times already and it’s just amazing the amount of knowledge available here.

I’m going to be attending my first Legit competition come April, and I’m trying to sweep the floor. I’m hungry for the success. I’m making great gains all natty and keeping a good physique throughout the year, and wanted some advice on how to run my contest prep cycle.
I’ve got 9x 10ml test c
5x 10ml tren a
Winni x120 50mg
Anavar x60 50mg
Pct will consist of nolva, clomid, and hcg. ( still ordering those bits, would like some advice on running that part too)
Diet will be the closest to perfect as it gets. Can afford to buy good food, and my beautiful wife fully supports all of this( she pins me hahahaha).
Stats are
Weight-190 to 195
Height- 5’10"
Bf <10%

In summary I’d like to know the best way the run my gear, and anything else you feel would help. Willing to adjust.

568

Hello Shadow,
Y t is the protocol stimulus without clomiphene works well for a cure test? just with nolva
Thank you to you

569

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Yes, you can switch the butter to mct, coconut oil or avocado. As for the fat, I would put most of it in your no-carb meals (4,5,6). You can have a cheat meal once a week… Let’s say every Saturday or Sunday. You don’t need to limit yourself completely but just don’t go into a binge. For example, have a main meal and a dessert… A burger and a piece cake for instance.

Take your Elitepro minerals post workout and before bed. Do 6 and 6, it will help with recovery. With this kind of diet you’re very insulin sensitive as it is so you don’t need to worry about taking the minerals during your meal.

Take indigo before your biggest carb meal, which is the Plazma intraworkout so have it 30 min pre workout. And on the cheat meal day, take the indigo 30 min before the meal.

I find that micro-pa works good pre workout as recommended and also post workout or before bed I figured out through experimentation. You can do either, but 4-6 capsules each time.

Do GH when you wake up, 20-30 min before meal 1 and 60-90min before your workout, at 11:30 or 12:00

If you didn’t use test up until now, you can add it at 6 weeks. You don’t have to but it will give you more fullness. You look flat in your pictures so I think this can help and then drop it at 2 weeks out. It’s a short ester so it won’t cause you a lot of water retention.
If you decide to use it I would use 100mg every other day to start with and if you like what you see you can even use 100mg everyday… If it were me, I would do it. Don’t forget to drop it at 2 weeks out.

I don’t mind you posting pictures here, I’ll do my best to help. Good luck!
[/quote]

Thank you. Let’s see what happens. I’m gonna keep working my ass off. I’m still far from a good physique.

Shadow, let’s make a supposition:

I’m gonna move to USA. I have some chances to do physique contests, sign up to some brands, make magazine covers and so on. I get over there and I contact to you cause I should improve my weak points and keep a good condition.

  • How does the PCT look like to keep my condition/level reached? I mean something to consider over your earlier reccomendations.

  • After 8 weeks of PCT, what kind of cycle would you use for my goals?

  • Any issue to consider I’m not awaring?

I recognize it’s a broad question, but it’s a matter to have an idea what I should focus on and plan in advance next steps.

570

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]
you can suggest what drugs for pct,for i recovery time at least 8 weeks and possibly more?thx a lot plx!![/quote]

Clomid HCG and nolvadex. Dosages have been mentioned several times previously.[/quote]

oh…is Clomid HCG and nolvadex,I think this two drugs just for 12weeks mass cycle.
recovery time is other drugs for pct,is same!!got it thx a lot Mr.shadow pro

btw dosage same as mass cycle to recover time?
Nolva @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2 x/week

571

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.
[/quote]

Would you continue with the adex and nolva, when i start taking letrozol, or would you just take the letro? Ive tryed letro before, and it just killed my energy :-/[/quote]

Continue using them for the first 3-4 days when you start the letrozole then drop the Adex. Just stay on nolva and letrozole until the symptoms subside and then drop the letrozole. Unfortunately, the letro will make you feel like shit regardless but you can try the Brain Candy from the store here. I’m dieting right now and it’s a life saver for me at this point.

Make sure you stay on the nolvadex after you are finished.[/quote]

IF its from the tren, what caber dosage would you recommend?

Thanks for all your help. Its a lifesaver.

Im gonna wait for 3-4 days to see if the nolva does the job. If not im gonna go with the caber, and if it dosent help, the letro.
[/quote]

The dose you should start with is .5mg every 3rd day. [/quote]

A update from me. My nipples dont hurt as much anymore, but its still puffy.

Im gonna start the caber in a couple of days, or should i wait longer?
[/quote]

If you’re see improvements then wait on the caber. If it doesn’t make a lot of improvements in the next few days then use the letrozole not the caber… Give it 2-3 more days before you add letro.[/quote]

Would you recommend letro for my offseason? Now that im prone to gyno[/quote]

I recommend 20mg nolvadex throughout the whole cycle and use the letro only if/when a problem comes up.
[/quote]

Hey shadow

How much of a difference does increasing my T3 dosage from 50mcg to 75mcg do? My goal is to have stripes on my ass on stage.

I know this is a big question, but is there a “smarter” way to cut? Right now im doing over 2 hours of cardio every day and im just exhausted. Only have carbs in the morning. Im thinking, there has to be a smarter way of cutting to a competition?

572

[quote]

So it ends up looking like this then:

Sustanon 250 week 1 - 12, 250mg eod
Tren A Week 2 - 9, 100mg eod
Dianabol Week 1 - 6, 30mg x2 ed pre-workout and before bed
Nolvadex Week 1 - 12, 20mg ed
Caber Week 1 - 12, 0,5mg e3d
HCG Week 1 - 12, 250mg e3d

*HGH Week 1 - 18, 5ui x2 ed, pre-workout and before bed
*Insulin Week 3 - 9, 5 → 10ui pre-workout

PCT:
Nolvadex
Week 13 - 16, 40mg ed
Week 17 - 18, 20mg ed

Clomid Week 13 - 16, 100/100/50/50mg ed
Caber Week 13 - 18, 0,5mg e3d
HCG Week 13 → 10-12 shots 3000ui e3d

Do you pin HCG im or subq ?[/quote]

HCG is IM. Start the tren at week 1 and use it up to week 12.

Only start the caber if you have issues, you don’t need to run it the whole time. And 1 week after you are off tren you won’t need it anymore.

Everything else is fine.

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4b) measured 6 hours later and glucose reading was 103. perfect! thanks!

for question 7 about the insulin protocol. are you talking about THE SAME DAY of the competiton, or one day before?

thank you. I love you. seriously =O. thank you for sharing all your knowledge, it is really a gift for everybody to be able to read this info for free.

I will come back with more questions soon, be prepared! haha

cheers bro, thank you again! !!! [/quote]

The insulin would be the day before the competition.

Happy to help… And I’ll be waiting for another list of interesting questions that everybody can learn from.

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Just wanna drop in real quick and say again that this thread is amazingly informative. Absolutely love it!

Thanks for all the time you contribute Shadow Pro and thanks to Biotest/T-Nation to make this possible.

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[quote]Warner wrote:
Hi Shadow, I assume that at some point down the road you will retire from competative bodybuilding and just cruze at some level of test for the rest of your life (HRT).
I was wondering how much test you would be looking at on a weekly basis. Also what type of test do you have in mind, sustanon, test C / E?

For interest what is your thoughts on the frequency of sustanon shots for TRT purposes, some say 250mg once a week is perfect, others say its to much for TRT and 250mg once in two weeks is better due to the longer esters?
I was just wondering (for a regular guy with non competative bb history) which of Sus / E or C would be best suited for TRT purposes, how much and why?

What other compounds would you also consider to be on permanently… HGH, HCG?

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I think I would stay on Test-E and GH for the rest of my life. Probably around 500mg/week. I want to keep training and look good even after I retire.

GH probably around 4iu/day to stay lean and healthy. After so many years of using and training, a “normal” HRT dose won’t cut it for me.

I think test-e is more suitable for TRT than Sustanon because it’s more stable. I don’t see any issue with 250mg/ week. Doctors like to be conservative. For someone who trains hard and wants to look good even if it’s not competitive then 250 would be a good dosage to be on. I wouldn’t see a reason to go off GH if you can afford it, as long as it’s a normal dose (2-4iu) and not a bodybuilding dose.
If you want to have kids I would stay on HCG as well, but if not you don’t have to.

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[quote]donut0893 wrote:
Hey shadow, first off just wanted to say how incredible this thread is, I’ve taken the time to read over everything said multiple times already and it’s just amazing the amount of knowledge available here.

I’m going to be attending my first Legit competition come April, and I’m trying to sweep the floor. I’m hungry for the success. I’m making great gains all natty and keeping a good physique throughout the year, and wanted some advice on how to run my contest prep cycle.
I’ve got 9x 10ml test c
5x 10ml tren a
Winni x120 50mg
Anavar x60 50mg
Pct will consist of nolva, clomid, and hcg. ( still ordering those bits, would like some advice on running that part too)
Diet will be the closest to perfect as it gets. Can afford to buy good food, and my beautiful wife fully supports all of this( she pins me hahahaha).
Stats are
Weight-190 to 195
Height- 5’10"
Bf <10%

In summary I’d like to know the best way the run my gear, and anything else you feel would help. Willing to adjust. [/quote]

You look very good for a natural dude. I understand you want to do a competition and do well but I don’t think I would use so many substances on a first cycle, what you suggested would be one hell of a hit on your body for a first cycle.

If you’ve already decided to do it and want to use the stuff you have, I would suggest doing it like this:

Test-C 500mg/week (you might want to switch to test-p around 8 weeks out, or cut it out completely at 2 weeks out depending how your body reacts)
Tren-A 75mg eod
Winstrol 25mg everyday (first 6weeks)
50-60mg everyday (4 weeks before show)
HCG 250iu e3d
Nolva 10-20mg ed

Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500 e3d (4 weeks while you use clomid)

Use Plazma as your main carb/protein source during the workout and use indigo 30min prior to workout, this will help with body composition tremendously.

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[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Yes, you can switch the butter to mct, coconut oil or avocado. As for the fat, I would put most of it in your no-carb meals (4,5,6). You can have a cheat meal once a week… Let’s say every Saturday or Sunday. You don’t need to limit yourself completely but just don’t go into a binge. For example, have a main meal and a dessert… A burger and a piece cake for instance.

Take your Elitepro minerals post workout and before bed. Do 6 and 6, it will help with recovery. With this kind of diet you’re very insulin sensitive as it is so you don’t need to worry about taking the minerals during your meal.

Take indigo before your biggest carb meal, which is the Plazma intraworkout so have it 30 min pre workout. And on the cheat meal day, take the indigo 30 min before the meal.

I find that micro-pa works good pre workout as recommended and also post workout or before bed I figured out through experimentation. You can do either, but 4-6 capsules each time.

Do GH when you wake up, 20-30 min before meal 1 and 60-90min before your workout, at 11:30 or 12:00

If you didn’t use test up until now, you can add it at 6 weeks. You don’t have to but it will give you more fullness. You look flat in your pictures so I think this can help and then drop it at 2 weeks out. It’s a short ester so it won’t cause you a lot of water retention.
If you decide to use it I would use 100mg every other day to start with and if you like what you see you can even use 100mg everyday… If it were me, I would do it. Don’t forget to drop it at 2 weeks out.

I don’t mind you posting pictures here, I’ll do my best to help. Good luck!
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Thank you. Let’s see what happens. I’m gonna keep working my ass off. I’m still far from a good physique.

Shadow, let’s make a supposition:

I’m gonna move to USA. I have some chances to do physique contests, sign up to some brands, make magazine covers and so on. I get over there and I contact to you cause I should improve my weak points and keep a good condition.

  • How does the PCT look like to keep my condition/level reached? I mean something to consider over your earlier reccomendations.

  • After 8 weeks of PCT, what kind of cycle would you use for my goals?

  • Any issue to consider I’m not awaring?

I recognize it’s a broad question, but it’s a matter to have an idea what I should focus on and plan in advance next steps.

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One step at a time!! Get back to me when you are done with your show, we’ll readdress new cycles and plans as they come… You can’t plan ahead this far.

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[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]
you can suggest what drugs for pct,for i recovery time at least 8 weeks and possibly more?thx a lot plx!![/quote]

Clomid HCG and nolvadex. Dosages have been mentioned several times previously.[/quote]

oh…is Clomid HCG and nolvadex,I think this two drugs just for 12weeks mass cycle.
recovery time is other drugs for pct,is same!!got it thx a lot Mr.shadow pro

btw dosage same as mass cycle to recover time?
Nolva @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2 x/week [/quote]

For recovery you can do
nolva at 40/40/40/20/20
HCG 500 2x/week
Clomid 100/100/50/50

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There’s a lot smarter ways to cut. 2 hours a day for most people is just wayyyy too much.
Only having carbs in the morning isn’t a good idea at all, have you read any of my posts about the importance of peri-workout nutrition?

Increasing t3 isn’t a magic fix, it all depends on your diet and training. Your 2 hours of cardio most certainly isn’t helping with the striations, if anything you’ll be losing muscle from this.

How many weeks out are you? Can you post a current picture?

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[quote]rhod wrote:
Just wanna drop in real quick and say again that this thread is amazingly informative. Absolutely love it!

Thanks for all the time you contribute Shadow Pro and thanks to Biotest/T-Nation to make this possible.[/quote]

You’re welcome! I’m also very thankful for Biotest allowing me to post here anonymously, I have great respect for this company and I’ve been a long time fan so it’s great to be a part of the site now.