Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]fastlane1588 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]fastlane1588 wrote:
Shadow Pro, thank you for all the help and information you have shared on here. I have been reading through the forums here for the last 8 months trying to learn as much as I can before I start my first cycle and I am getting close to starting one but wanted to run it by you before I start it. Sorry for posting another “first cycle” but I want to make sure I have it checked out before I start.

Background information: I am 26, was a collegiate athlete through college (swimmer) and have been lifting for the last 8. I recently signed on with a coach since my results haven’t been where they need to be. He tweaked my diet and cut me down to 175lbs and measured me at 7% body fat (I am 6’). After cutting down now it is time to start adding on mass. Even with proper diet my body is very slow to put on mass which is why I am here now after lots of research I am ready to take the step.

Here is what I came up with for a first cycle:

W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/d (wasn’t 100% sure if I would need a kick start or not for a first cycle)
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD
W 3-10 HCG 250iu 3x/w

PCT
W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d and Clomid 50mg 2x/d
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d and Clomid 25mg/d

Thank you so much for your time and help, I really appreciate it.[/quote]

If you’ve been lifting for 8 years I would expect to see more muscle mass, I’m assuming this is because of doing a lot of cardio and swimming??

If you’re still swimming competitively then putting on muscle mass could be tricky. What are you taking for supplements now? And how does your diet look? Without a perfect diet/supplementation/training then the cycle won’t give you optimal results. According to the photo I’d say you’re around 10% bodyfat so if your diet and supplementation is on track then you’ll be in a good place to start.

As for your cycle, everything looks good except you can run the dbol at this dose for 6 weeks instead of 4.
[/quote]

Thank you for the information. I am done with swimming now and have been focusing on lifting. I currently only take protein and glutamine and a pre workout. My coach has been tweaking my diet to trim me down a little more before he adjusts my diet to help me start adding weight. I will not be starting this cycle until after my diet has stabilized. I will try running the dbol for 6 weeks like you said. Again, thank you for all your help and information you have provided on here.[/quote]

If you want to gain mass now and lifting is your main objective then I would suggest you start using Plazma intraworkout and try Micro-PA. This should give you a great jump in body composition and muscle mass specifically.

These are your go-to supplements with or without a cycle. You can start them right away.

[michell]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow,

I almost cut carbs but. Im training with high volume everyday with mountaindog workouts. Im
7 weeks out getting good results and keeping mass cutting slowly carbs. But this week I only have them pre workout and intra.

How much Plazma can I use? I’m taking 6 caps of Indigo and 6 caps of Micro Pa, plus 1.5 MAG-10 30 min after training.

How do you use Indigo in pre contest?

Thanks[/quote]

The amount of Plazma you use will depend on your total carb intake for the diet. If you have 100g of carbs a day then I would have all of the intraworkout… If you have 300g then I would have about 1/2 of that or more during the workout and the rest pre and post workout.

Pre-comp I would take the Indigo-3G before my biggest carb meal (which is my Plazma) so I take it 30min preworkout.

Try the Micro-PA pre and post workout. Do 3-4 60min preworkout and 3-4 post workout with the MAG-10.

At 7 weeks out, your diet should be very well constructed by now. You should know how many carbs you need to have during the workout. If you can post pictures I would be happy to help.
[/quote]

DIET

Meal 1
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 2 prewo
1/2 Finibar
or
30 grams whey, 1/2 cup rice cream, 1 tbsp butter

Intraworkout
1 to 3 Plazma

Meal 3 postwo
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 4
6 oz beef

Meal 5
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish
15 grams EVOO or butter

Meal 6
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish

SUPPS
6 Indigo-3G
6 Micro-PA
2 Z-12

AAS
75 tren-a ED (planing 100 ED)
75 Master ED (planing 100 ED)
60 Anavar (30 preworkout 30 before bed)
3 GH first thing in the morning and 3 before bed
20 Nolva

EXTRAS
Walk 45 minutes first thing in the morning and before bedtime
1 huge cheat clean meal every week or every other week.

WEIGHT
204,6 LB
174 cm

I don’t know how to play with carbs. I’m afraid to put them incorrectly and slowdown my progress.

[burndaddy0]

This has been a great post so far. I keep waiting for someone to ask these questions, so here goes.

Indigo-3G with insulin seems like a great combo in theory; add test and GH and it should be a home run. What am I missing?
Is Micro-PA better served, in your opinion, while on a cycle or to be used between cycles?

[pravikhaira85]

Hey shadow,
Got a real big problem here. M 30 year old unmarried man, ill b married soon. I used stanazol fr 6 weeks in july last year that is 2013. Behavd very foolosh didnt do ny pct whtsoevr. Jst some tamoxifin here n thr. What ws evn worse tht i stoped using test aftr frst two weeks. Again took two weeks of deca with susta in dec 2013. Thn had to quit it inbetween bcoz of sum reason.

Since thn m off aas expecting tht sumhow my hpta will start working again. But its been almost a year, still nothings working. Leave aside morning woods its nt even errecting. What should i do. Ws thinking of new eq cycle bt have totaly dropped it fr d tym being. Will pct be of ny help now. I dont evn knw wht blood tests i gotta get done. Plz help

[charles_chow]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:
hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?[/quote]

You look very good for a natural guy!

In order to help you, I need some more info.

Current diet and supplements?
Current photos?

To go to 175-185 is a big jump, you need to take it slow and put this size on over time. Also, you shouldn’t go to 18-19% bf in the off season, try to stay around 10% year round.
[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro praise first^^

my diet:one day 5-6 meal,
meat:the greater part organic,hormone-free,chicken breasts,beef,sardines,Ostrich,Steak,pork,turkey,eggs,…i use butter and olive oil cooking.

tree nuts:almonds,pecans

veggies:broccoli,lettuce,cabbage,collard greens,kidney beans,mung beans…others

fruits;apples,blueberries,banana,pears

carbs:sweet potato,rice
my supplement:fish oil,zinc,coconut oil,bcaa,glutamine,vitamin C,whey protein or beef protein and few booster ,N.O.

haha,i know is a big jump,i think i should be take it slow and put this size on over time,but i need join next year 2015 HKFBF contest 65kg-70kg below,so i need Mr.shadow pro ur help my first time cycle and cut cycle to contest!!thx a lot plx^^

why i hv bf 18-19% in the off season,becaz my fitness of 3-4 years,listen to some error messages from old man predecessors ,no professional knowledge
one day eat 12bowls of rice,so sick>~<,now if today no workout,no carbs,
if hv workout,post workout can eat 1blows of carbs(rice).lol
In 2 months ago,i got a friend’s help, new understanding diet and workout program,is him give i this web site,let me find you mr.shadow pro help i ^^,be safe ,low dose cycle,can keep long time lol,haahaa!!

P.S.:next week i will 14days detox-cleanse program

my new info
63KG BF9.5% (Checks Inaccurate

P.S.:my right leg is hurt before,so smaller than left leg.
my legs and my back is Weakness /_[/quote]

Do you know your exact macros? You have me a list of foods but no amounts?
The food choices look good but you need to know how much you’re eating of each.

A place to start would be 1.5 grams per pound of protein and carbs. Keep fat at 50-60grams each day. If you’re cooking in oil, you need to make sure you’re measuring this as part of your daily fat intake. Do not use butter, try olive oil or coconut oil.

First thing you need to figure out is your supplements before even considering a cycle. At least 100-150g of Plazma intraworkout with 5-10g of Leucine. Start day with one serving of MAG-10 and again 30min post workout. Try Micro-Pa before jumping into a cycle, this alone will give you a big improvement in body composition, muscle mass and strength. 6 capsules 60min pre workout.

Here’s an optional cycle, but is recommend you try the supplement protocol before going this route. Give it at least 6 weeks and then post new pictures.

12 week cycle
test-e @500mg/week
Mast-e @400mg/week
Nolva @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2 x/week

[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro^^i will try ur suggest,try 6weeks and than take photo to u!!

if i want stop my cycle,how to stop?
this suggest is safe?i need regular blood tests?
i saw u this suggest no GH? why?
only 12weeks for gain mass is enough?or 12weeks gain mass after need to rest?
last question how to cut,when cut cycle for competition?
sorry Mr.shadow pro hv many questipn !!thx a lot ur help plx^^

[/quote]

Why would you think about stopping before you even start? If you are having doubts then you shouldn’t do it at all. Get on the recommended supplements and you can decide if you want to do a cycle or not after the 6 weeks. This is a very basic cycle and relatively safe, there are always risks with every cycle and you will have to decide for yourself if the benefits will outweighs the risks.

Regular blood tests are always a good idea.

It’s your first cycle and GH is a long term commitment. I would wait until you’re able to stay on for at least 6 months to a year otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

12 weeks for a mass cycle is the bare minimum. What do you mean is this enough? Enough to be Ronnie Coleman? Probably not… But it’s enough for a first time cycle. After the 12 weeks, you should do a pct and let your system recover and then do another cycle depending on your goal.

I’m getting the feeling you didn’t do enough research from the questions you’re asking and you’re jumping into something you’re not sure of.

There’s a million ways to cut… When to cut is completely individual and your goal now is to put on mass so it’s irrelevant at this point.
[/quote]

i got it,thx a lot Mr.shadow pro^.<

12 weeks for mass cycle ,after i need 4-8weeks rest for pct recove my ststem right?

[Smartbb]

Hi Shadow,

What do think 4ui GH EoD is good for building muscle and staying lean in offseason? or 5 day/week is must when using GH ? I would like to save some money…

And If I dont use insulin,than carbs during workout can be work? Even if I doing some hiit cardio after weights immeidetely?

Thanks !

[waterproof]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]

It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.

Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[/quote]

Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?

What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?

Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?

Thanks for reply[/quote]

Theoretically you can add any of these but it depends on your goal, level and experience. If you are going to continue to train and eat properly after the cycle then it will determine how much of the gains you will keep.

As for the peptides, I’ve went over how I feel about these many times. You can try them if you want but I don’t believe you’ll be able to get your hands on the real thing.

If you have questions about how to use GH, read through the first thread… You’ll find a lot of information about it there.[/quote]

My best gains have been with combinations of test and tren, but I take long time to recover when using tren. Do you have any advice on how I can better manage to get thru a cycle of tren? Sexual potence/libido is what gets hurt. I get the same with Deca. I realize the problem must lie in my PCT not beeing optimal. Any suggestions would be great.
I realy would like to be able to use tren again.
Could you recomend some dosages? and cycle setup.
If I where to use for example sustanon 250, or test E, combined with fast or slow acting tren, dianabol and humalog insulin pre workout(can be used without hgh for good effect?) and maybe hgh or IGF1-LR3.
Goal of cycle would be to promote power and muscle growth + the ability to recover faster due to intense training (armwrestling).

age 31,
weight 220lbs,
bodyfat% 11-12,(will be 10 or lower before i start cycle)
years of training 12 year lifting weights,
frequency 5 times a week,
first cycle after 7 years of lifting. Done 6 cycles. Longest cycle was 18 months. Higest dosage was ~1300mg ew, tolerated this well.
Experience with test e, sustanon, tren a & e, deca, eq, hgh, humalog, mast, diana, anadrol, aromasin, nolvadex, hcg (tryed both during cycle and after).

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow,

I almost cut carbs but. Im training with high volume everyday with mountaindog workouts. Im
7 weeks out getting good results and keeping mass cutting slowly carbs. But this week I only have them pre workout and intra.

How much Plazma can I use? I’m taking 6 caps of Indigo and 6 caps of Micro Pa, plus 1.5 MAG-10 30 min after training.

How do you use Indigo in pre contest?

Thanks[/quote]

The amount of Plazma you use will depend on your total carb intake for the diet. If you have 100g of carbs a day then I would have all of the intraworkout… If you have 300g then I would have about 1/2 of that or more during the workout and the rest pre and post workout.

Pre-comp I would take the Indigo-3G before my biggest carb meal (which is my Plazma) so I take it 30min preworkout.

Try the Micro-PA pre and post workout. Do 3-4 60min preworkout and 3-4 post workout with the MAG-10.

At 7 weeks out, your diet should be very well constructed by now. You should know how many carbs you need to have during the workout. If you can post pictures I would be happy to help.
[/quote]

DIET

Meal 1
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 2 prewo
1/2 Finibar
or
30 grams whey, 1/2 cup rice cream, 1 tbsp butter

Intraworkout
1 to 3 Plazma

Meal 3 postwo
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 4
6 oz beef

Meal 5
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish
15 grams EVOO or butter

Meal 6
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish

SUPPS
6 Indigo-3G
6 Micro-PA
2 Z-12

AAS
75 tren-a ED (planing 100 ED)
75 Master ED (planing 100 ED)
60 Anavar (30 preworkout 30 before bed)
3 GH first thing in the morning and 3 before bed
20 Nolva

EXTRAS
Walk 45 minutes first thing in the morning and before bedtime
1 huge cheat clean meal every week or every other week.

WEIGHT
204,6 LB
174 cm

I don’t know how to play with carbs. I’m afraid to put them incorrectly and slowdown my progress.

[/quote]

You look good for 7 weeks out… A little bit flat but I think that’s due to the very low amount of carbs you’re eating.

This what what I would suggest:
-3-4 scoops of Plazma intraworkout. This won’t slow your progress, you cannot gain fat from this just keep the intensity of your workout up.

• you don’t need 1/2 cup of cream of rice before the workout,better to use these carbs in the workout. Just have the 30g of whey and 1 tbsp of almond butter… I’m assuming you mean almond butter and not real butter?
  -cycle looks good, but change the GH to first thing in the morning and 90 min pre workout instead of before bed.
  -WAY TOO MUCH CARDIO. An hour a day is more than enough and even that is pushing it. This is part of the reason why you’re flat.

** I really hope you aren’t eating real butter in the diet. MCT oil is your best option while dieting.

No problem to increase the tren and masteron to 100 everyday

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]burndaddy0 wrote:
This has been a great post so far. I keep waiting for someone to ask these questions, so here goes.

Indigo-3G with insulin seems like a great combo in theory; add test and GH and it should be a home run. What am I missing?
Is Micro-PA better served, in your opinion, while on a cycle or to be used between cycles?
[/quote]

You’re absolutely right. Indigo-3G and insulin is a great combo. And adding test and GH is a killer weapon to gain mass… Even better if you add some tren into the mix for more strength and hardness. It’s golden!

I use Micro-PA year round now. I haven’t been off cycle since I started. Micro-PA but it’s not something you have to cycle off from so I’ll be staying on during my down time this year. If I had to choose, I’d say it would be better served off cycle… Then you’ll truly recognize the benefits from it.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]pravikhaira85 wrote:
Hey shadow,
Got a real big problem here. M 30 year old unmarried man, ill b married soon. I used stanazol fr 6 weeks in july last year that is 2013. Behavd very foolosh didnt do ny pct whtsoevr. Jst some tamoxifin here n thr. What ws evn worse tht i stoped using test aftr frst two weeks. Again took two weeks of deca with susta in dec 2013. Thn had to quit it inbetween bcoz of sum reason.

Since thn m off aas expecting tht sumhow my hpta will start working again. But its been almost a year, still nothings working. Leave aside morning woods its nt even errecting. What should i do. Ws thinking of new eq cycle bt have totaly dropped it fr d tym being. Will pct be of ny help now. I dont evn knw wht blood tests i gotta get done. Plz help[/quote]

You probably shut yourself down because of what you did. I would go and ask for a blood test that includes all testosterone levels and prolactin levels. If your levels are low (which I’m assuming they are) you’ll be prescribed HCG and/or HRT which will help reverse the problem.

In general, pct can help right now but I would suggest to go to the doctor and tell him all of the symptoms you just told me. If you want to go ahead and do it yourself you can use HCG, clomid and nolva, dosages would depend on how low your test levels are. You could start with something like…
1000iu of HCG eod (6 weeks)
Clomid for 4 weeks (100/100/50/50)
Nolvadex 5 weeks (40/40/40/20/20)

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:
hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?[/quote]

You look very good for a natural guy!

In order to help you, I need some more info.

Current diet and supplements?
Current photos?

To go to 175-185 is a big jump, you need to take it slow and put this size on over time. Also, you shouldn’t go to 18-19% bf in the off season, try to stay around 10% year round.
[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro praise first^^

my diet:one day 5-6 meal,
meat:the greater part organic,hormone-free,chicken breasts,beef,sardines,Ostrich,Steak,pork,turkey,eggs,…i use butter and olive oil cooking.

tree nuts:almonds,pecans

veggies:broccoli,lettuce,cabbage,collard greens,kidney beans,mung beans…others

fruits;apples,blueberries,banana,pears

carbs:sweet potato,rice
my supplement:fish oil,zinc,coconut oil,bcaa,glutamine,vitamin C,whey protein or beef protein and few booster ,N.O.

haha,i know is a big jump,i think i should be take it slow and put this size on over time,but i need join next year 2015 HKFBF contest 65kg-70kg below,so i need Mr.shadow pro ur help my first time cycle and cut cycle to contest!!thx a lot plx^^

why i hv bf 18-19% in the off season,becaz my fitness of 3-4 years,listen to some error messages from old man predecessors ,no professional knowledge
one day eat 12bowls of rice,so sick>~<,now if today no workout,no carbs,
if hv workout,post workout can eat 1blows of carbs(rice).lol
In 2 months ago,i got a friend’s help, new understanding diet and workout program,is him give i this web site,let me find you mr.shadow pro help i ^^,be safe ,low dose cycle,can keep long time lol,haahaa!!

P.S.:next week i will 14days detox-cleanse program

my new info
63KG BF9.5% (Checks Inaccurate

P.S.:my right leg is hurt before,so smaller than left leg.
my legs and my back is Weakness /_[/quote]

Do you know your exact macros? You have me a list of foods but no amounts?
The food choices look good but you need to know how much you’re eating of each.

A place to start would be 1.5 grams per pound of protein and carbs. Keep fat at 50-60grams each day. If you’re cooking in oil, you need to make sure you’re measuring this as part of your daily fat intake. Do not use butter, try olive oil or coconut oil.

First thing you need to figure out is your supplements before even considering a cycle. At least 100-150g of Plazma intraworkout with 5-10g of Leucine. Start day with one serving of MAG-10 and again 30min post workout. Try Micro-Pa before jumping into a cycle, this alone will give you a big improvement in body composition, muscle mass and strength. 6 capsules 60min pre workout.

Here’s an optional cycle, but is recommend you try the supplement protocol before going this route. Give it at least 6 weeks and then post new pictures.

12 week cycle
test-e @500mg/week
Mast-e @400mg/week
Nolva @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2 x/week

[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro^^i will try ur suggest,try 6weeks and than take photo to u!!

if i want stop my cycle,how to stop?
this suggest is safe?i need regular blood tests?
i saw u this suggest no GH? why?
only 12weeks for gain mass is enough?or 12weeks gain mass after need to rest?
last question how to cut,when cut cycle for competition?
sorry Mr.shadow pro hv many questipn !!thx a lot ur help plx^^

[/quote]

Why would you think about stopping before you even start? If you are having doubts then you shouldn’t do it at all. Get on the recommended supplements and you can decide if you want to do a cycle or not after the 6 weeks. This is a very basic cycle and relatively safe, there are always risks with every cycle and you will have to decide for yourself if the benefits will outweighs the risks.

Regular blood tests are always a good idea.

It’s your first cycle and GH is a long term commitment. I would wait until you’re able to stay on for at least 6 months to a year otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

12 weeks for a mass cycle is the bare minimum. What do you mean is this enough? Enough to be Ronnie Coleman? Probably not… But it’s enough for a first time cycle. After the 12 weeks, you should do a pct and let your system recover and then do another cycle depending on your goal.

I’m getting the feeling you didn’t do enough research from the questions you’re asking and you’re jumping into something you’re not sure of.

There’s a million ways to cut… When to cut is completely individual and your goal now is to put on mass so it’s irrelevant at this point.
[/quote]

i got it,thx a lot Mr.shadow pro^.<

12 weeks for mass cycle ,after i need 4-8weeks rest for pct recove my ststem right?[/quote]

Recovery time should be at least 8 weeks and possibly more. You will need to get bloodwork done after the pct.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]Smartbb wrote:
Hi Shadow,

What do think 4ui GH EoD is good for building muscle and staying lean in offseason? or 5 day/week is must when using GH ? I would like to save some money…

And If I dont use insulin,than carbs during workout can be work? Even if I doing some hiit cardio after weights immeidetely?

Thanks ![/quote]

If you’re trying to save money, don’t use GH. If you can’t do it everyday then the results will be far from optimal.

Carbs during the workout are great whether you’re using insulin or not. Try Indigo-3G 30min before your workout and you’ll get great results from it, it’s gives you similar but not as drastic results as insulin.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]

It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.

Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[/quote]

Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?

What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?

Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?

Thanks for reply[/quote]

Theoretically you can add any of these but it depends on your goal, level and experience. If you are going to continue to train and eat properly after the cycle then it will determine how much of the gains you will keep.

As for the peptides, I’ve went over how I feel about these many times. You can try them if you want but I don’t believe you’ll be able to get your hands on the real thing.

If you have questions about how to use GH, read through the first thread… You’ll find a lot of information about it there.[/quote]

My best gains have been with combinations of test and tren, but I take long time to recover when using tren. Do you have any advice on how I can better manage to get thru a cycle of tren? Sexual potence/libido is what gets hurt. I get the same with Deca. I realize the problem must lie in my PCT not beeing optimal. Any suggestions would be great.
I realy would like to be able to use tren again.
Could you recomend some dosages? and cycle setup.
If I where to use for example sustanon 250, or test E, combined with fast or slow acting tren, dianabol and humalog insulin pre workout(can be used without hgh for good effect?) and maybe hgh or IGF1-LR3.
Goal of cycle would be to promote power and muscle growth + the ability to recover faster due to intense training (armwrestling).

age 31,
weight 220lbs,
bodyfat% 11-12,(will be 10 or lower before i start cycle)
years of training 12 year lifting weights,
frequency 5 times a week,
first cycle after 7 years of lifting. Done 6 cycles. Longest cycle was 18 months. Higest dosage was ~1300mg ew, tolerated this well.
Experience with test e, sustanon, tren a & e, deca, eq, hgh, humalog, mast, diana, anadrol, aromasin, nolvadex, hcg (tryed both during cycle and after).[/quote]

Did you try caber when you were on tren and deca? Sounds to me like you have prolactin issues from what I read and caber can help solve this. .5mg every 3rd day is a good dose to start at and usually fixes issues.

Start with 100mg of tren-a every other day with test, dbol and caber. The dosages for the rest of the compounds would depend on what you’ve used before. A moderate dosage would be something like 750mg/week and 30-60mg of dbol everyday. If you can afford GH it’s a great idea.

Insulin depends on your bodyfat level, the leaner you are the more likely you can get away with using it without GH but I wouldn’t generally recommend doing this.

Also, use nolvadex and HCG through the whole cycle.

[michell]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow,

I almost cut carbs but. Im training with high volume everyday with mountaindog workouts. Im
7 weeks out getting good results and keeping mass cutting slowly carbs. But this week I only have them pre workout and intra.

How much Plazma can I use? I’m taking 6 caps of Indigo and 6 caps of Micro Pa, plus 1.5 MAG-10 30 min after training.

How do you use Indigo in pre contest?

Thanks[/quote]

The amount of Plazma you use will depend on your total carb intake for the diet. If you have 100g of carbs a day then I would have all of the intraworkout… If you have 300g then I would have about 1/2 of that or more during the workout and the rest pre and post workout.

Pre-comp I would take the Indigo-3G before my biggest carb meal (which is my Plazma) so I take it 30min preworkout.

Try the Micro-PA pre and post workout. Do 3-4 60min preworkout and 3-4 post workout with the MAG-10.

At 7 weeks out, your diet should be very well constructed by now. You should know how many carbs you need to have during the workout. If you can post pictures I would be happy to help.
[/quote]

DIET

Meal 1
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 2 prewo
1/2 Finibar
or
30 grams whey, 1/2 cup rice cream, 1 tbsp butter

Intraworkout
1 to 3 Plazma

Meal 3 postwo
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 4
6 oz beef

Meal 5
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish
15 grams EVOO or butter

Meal 6
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish

SUPPS
6 Indigo-3G
6 Micro-PA
2 Z-12

AAS
75 tren-a ED (planing 100 ED)
75 Master ED (planing 100 ED)
60 Anavar (30 preworkout 30 before bed)
3 GH first thing in the morning and 3 before bed
20 Nolva

EXTRAS
Walk 45 minutes first thing in the morning and before bedtime
1 huge cheat clean meal every week or every other week.

WEIGHT
204,6 LB
174 cm

I don’t know how to play with carbs. I’m afraid to put them incorrectly and slowdown my progress.

[/quote]

You look good for 7 weeks out… A little bit flat but I think that’s due to the very low amount of carbs you’re eating.

This what what I would suggest:
-3-4 scoops of Plazma intraworkout. This won’t slow your progress, you cannot gain fat from this just keep the intensity of your workout up.

• you don’t need 1/2 cup of cream of rice before the workout,better to use these carbs in the workout. Just have the 30g of whey and 1 tbsp of almond butter… I’m assuming you mean almond butter and not real butter?
  -cycle looks good, but change the GH to first thing in the morning and 90 min pre workout instead of before bed.
  -WAY TOO MUCH CARDIO. An hour a day is more than enough and even that is pushing it. This is part of the reason why you’re flat.

** I really hope you aren’t eating real butter in the diet. MCT oil is your best option while dieting.

No problem to increase the tren and masteron to 100 everyday

[/quote]

Thank you Shadow! You are relly helping me to undersand better some details.

Yes, it is grass feed butter. I was using it because I’m allergic to the nuts. Meanwhile I order MCT, can I use coconut oil? Can I switch butter by avocado or EVOO? How would you spread these fats over the meals?

Using your guidelines, when you recommend me have a high carb meal? Every 5 or 7 days? How many carbs do you limit it? I like have it in my heavy leg day. Before having a dinner I take 8 Indigo-3G and during 12 Elitepro mineral because cromium/vanadium/magnesium to help manage insulin. I even thought take some Micro-Pa as well.

As far as GH, how long time should pass between? I wake up 7:00 am and I usually workout at 13:00

Last but not least. I read you would add test-p with tren-a. I don’t use it because I tried some test-cyp in the past and I had a quick inhibition and atrophy. Even the results were not good as I thought. My body didn’t progress as much I expected. It wasn’t worth it use some test, at least long ester like cyp.

My bood test when I’m off or even before use some AAS shows me I produce almost no progesterone. When I use tren I feel so good. It matches me perfectly and after 6 weeks using it with master I don’t have any atrophy or inhibition. Its progestagenic character works very well in my system.

I’m a bit scared to put some test-p right now. Would you use it? at 6 week out I will notice something worth it? using 100 mg of tren-a ED, how much?

If you let me post my progress next weeks I really appreciate to learn a bit the smalls adjustments I could do.

Thanks for sharing your time and experience. Thanks to Biotest. It’s a dream.

[Pilosox]

Hey shadow, thank you for the 17 responses to my previous post a few weeks ago, and i am glad you did like the questions and answered them gladly and with detail !

if you are not very tired of answering new questions, here i have developed some new interesting ones:

You said your ideal time to do you cardio is after a workout. but what happpens if you injected for example 10 ui humalog IM, and zipped 2 scoops of Plazma intra workout, and your workout lasted 1:40 hours. You will still have the insulin in your body until 3-4 hours of injection, right?

SO, is it better to sit down and wait 2 - 2 30 hours more and then perform your cardio when the insulin has faded, or can you do the cardio with the insulin still in your system? (wont this blunt the fat burning effect of the cardio?)

I did your protocol for 3 weeks, insulin before breakfast (5-10ui) and insulin before workout (10-15 ui), and some times only before workout, always zipping on Plazma. (combined with no GH and a good AS cycle) with only this addition I GAINED 2 CLEAN (OR ALMOST CLEAN) KG OF MUSCLE, it was very impressive.

BUT i like to measure my Fasting glucose levels with a glucometer, and with this protocol my FGL went from 85-90mg/dl to 110-120mg/dl, in a few weeks. It makes me think that i loose insulin sensitivity very quickly, but i did not gain any fat on the process.
Is this sustainable in the long run? (high FGL but using insulin anyway?)
any way to drive FGL back to range WHILE using slin?

im thinking metformin but i see you dont like the stuff, any clear reason why not using it for short periods of time to solve this problem?

3. is it better for insulin sensitivity to consume only 7-8gr carbs per 10 ui slin? (less carbs than 1 per ui)? or it has nothing to do with it?

4. What would the ideal glucose level be if using Humalog preworkout, when finishing the workout? 80mg/dl ?

4.1) Sometimes i finish the workout with this reading, and after the insulin fades (4hrs) my glucose level rises to 110-120mg/dl BUT I HAVENT EATEN ANY CARBS, only the intra workout plazma hours before. any hints why is this happening?

5. when you tapper down your compounds to enter PCT, do you use something similar to the “stasis taper” proposed by a member of T-Nation some years ago?( you wait 6 weeeks injecting only 100mg test and nothing more, and then taper down) please give vour opinion about this protocol, and do you even knew about it?

6. all the years before you arrival to this forum, many many entities never recommended more than 500 UI per HCG shot, and never using it in PCT. I see you recommend 1000-5000 UI shots in PCT, like old school bodybuilders did, but this is against many new school opinions, as these doses are supposed to create a negative feedback loop and the extreme rise in testosterone from those HCG doses would cause more supression and at a higher level than the HPTA (due to the HCG acting at another level than exo test) AND the aromatization in the testicles would be extremely high with those HCG doses.
   please comment on this topic, as the different opinions can confuse us mortals sometimes…hehe…

7. IF HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING you see your client and think he is a good candidate to use insulin until THE DAY of the show, what would be a loading protocol with insulin look like? what about water intake when using insulin the day of the show? diuretics?

please give general ideas so i can experiment with myself and come up with a good protocol, some guidelines would be very appreciated, i know your opinion is that it is very individual, but generally speaking, it would be nice to know some tips, general guielines, etc. for a protocol like this. !

8. Microwaving eggs, whey protein, etc. any downfall? its an easy and quick alernative to regular cooking, but do you absorb the protein as good as regular cooking?

Thank you in advance again, and i hope you enjoy my questions. i think you are the only one able to answer them, so please ! enlighten me!! jeje

cheers from chile!

[waterproof]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]

It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.

Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[/quote]

Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?

What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?

Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?

Thanks for reply[/quote]

Theoretically you can add any of these but it depends on your goal, level and experience. If you are going to continue to train and eat properly after the cycle then it will determine how much of the gains you will keep.

As for the peptides, I’ve went over how I feel about these many times. You can try them if you want but I don’t believe you’ll be able to get your hands on the real thing.

If you have questions about how to use GH, read through the first thread… You’ll find a lot of information about it there.[/quote]

My best gains have been with combinations of test and tren, but I take long time to recover when using tren. Do you have any advice on how I can better manage to get thru a cycle of tren? Sexual potence/libido is what gets hurt. I get the same with Deca. I realize the problem must lie in my PCT not beeing optimal. Any suggestions would be great.
I realy would like to be able to use tren again.
Could you recomend some dosages? and cycle setup.
If I where to use for example sustanon 250, or test E, combined with fast or slow acting tren, dianabol and humalog insulin pre workout(can be used without hgh for good effect?) and maybe hgh or IGF1-LR3.
Goal of cycle would be to promote power and muscle growth + the ability to recover faster due to intense training (armwrestling).

age 31,
weight 220lbs,
bodyfat% 11-12,(will be 10 or lower before i start cycle)
years of training 12 year lifting weights,
frequency 5 times a week,
first cycle after 7 years of lifting. Done 6 cycles. Longest cycle was 18 months. Higest dosage was ~1300mg ew, tolerated this well.
Experience with test e, sustanon, tren a & e, deca, eq, hgh, humalog, mast, diana, anadrol, aromasin, nolvadex, hcg (tryed both during cycle and after).[/quote]

Did you try caber when you were on tren and deca? Sounds to me like you have prolactin issues from what I read and caber can help solve this. .5mg every 3rd day is a good dose to start at and usually fixes issues.

Start with 100mg of tren-a every other day with test, dbol and caber. The dosages for the rest of the compounds would depend on what you’ve used before. A moderate dosage would be something like 750mg/week and 30-60mg of dbol everyday. If you can afford GH it’s a great idea.

Insulin depends on your bodyfat level, the leaner you are the more likely you can get away with using it without GH but I wouldn’t generally recommend doing this.

Also, use nolvadex and HCG through the whole cycle.
[/quote]

I never heard about Caber, but I can get my hands on the liquid one.
How does this look? any adjustments you would have done?

Sustanon 250 week 1 - 12, 250mg eod
Tren A week 2 - 9, 100mg eod
Dianabol week 3 - 8, 60mg ed
Nolvadex week 1 - 12, 20mg ed
Caber week 1 - 12, 0,5mg e3d
HCG: dose and frequency?

*HGH week 1 - 16, 5ui ed (2,5 morning and night subq)
*Insulin week 3 - 9, 5-10 ui every workout (working upwards from 5)

PCT:
Nolvadex week 15 - 18, 2 weeks 40mg ed, 2 weeks 20mg ed
(do you use Nolva the 2 first weeks after ending a cycle?)
HCG week 12 → 10-12 shots 3000ui e3d (pinned subq or im?)
Caber week 12 - 18, 0,5mg e3d

[mainstream]

Hello Shadow,

1. What bikini pro competitors are using?

2. What do you think a female athlete can use for contest prep?

3. What compounds female athlete definitely should not use?

Thank you,

[charles_chow]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:
hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?[/quote]

You look very good for a natural guy!

In order to help you, I need some more info.

Current diet and supplements?
Current photos?

To go to 175-185 is a big jump, you need to take it slow and put this size on over time. Also, you shouldn’t go to 18-19% bf in the off season, try to stay around 10% year round.
[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro praise first^^

my diet:one day 5-6 meal,
meat:the greater part organic,hormone-free,chicken breasts,beef,sardines,Ostrich,Steak,pork,turkey,eggs,…i use butter and olive oil cooking.

tree nuts:almonds,pecans

veggies:broccoli,lettuce,cabbage,collard greens,kidney beans,mung beans…others

fruits;apples,blueberries,banana,pears

carbs:sweet potato,rice
my supplement:fish oil,zinc,coconut oil,bcaa,glutamine,vitamin C,whey protein or beef protein and few booster ,N.O.

haha,i know is a big jump,i think i should be take it slow and put this size on over time,but i need join next year 2015 HKFBF contest 65kg-70kg below,so i need Mr.shadow pro ur help my first time cycle and cut cycle to contest!!thx a lot plx^^

why i hv bf 18-19% in the off season,becaz my fitness of 3-4 years,listen to some error messages from old man predecessors ,no professional knowledge
one day eat 12bowls of rice,so sick>~<,now if today no workout,no carbs,
if hv workout,post workout can eat 1blows of carbs(rice).lol
In 2 months ago,i got a friend’s help, new understanding diet and workout program,is him give i this web site,let me find you mr.shadow pro help i ^^,be safe ,low dose cycle,can keep long time lol,haahaa!!

P.S.:next week i will 14days detox-cleanse program

my new info
63KG BF9.5% (Checks Inaccurate

P.S.:my right leg is hurt before,so smaller than left leg.
my legs and my back is Weakness /_[/quote]

Do you know your exact macros? You have me a list of foods but no amounts?
The food choices look good but you need to know how much you’re eating of each.

A place to start would be 1.5 grams per pound of protein and carbs. Keep fat at 50-60grams each day. If you’re cooking in oil, you need to make sure you’re measuring this as part of your daily fat intake. Do not use butter, try olive oil or coconut oil.

First thing you need to figure out is your supplements before even considering a cycle. At least 100-150g of Plazma intraworkout with 5-10g of Leucine. Start day with one serving of MAG-10 and again 30min post workout. Try Micro-Pa before jumping into a cycle, this alone will give you a big improvement in body composition, muscle mass and strength. 6 capsules 60min pre workout.

Here’s an optional cycle, but is recommend you try the supplement protocol before going this route. Give it at least 6 weeks and then post new pictures.

12 week cycle
test-e @500mg/week
Mast-e @400mg/week
Nolva @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2 x/week

[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro^^i will try ur suggest,try 6weeks and than take photo to u!!

if i want stop my cycle,how to stop?
this suggest is safe?i need regular blood tests?
i saw u this suggest no GH? why?
only 12weeks for gain mass is enough?or 12weeks gain mass after need to rest?
last question how to cut,when cut cycle for competition?
sorry Mr.shadow pro hv many questipn !!thx a lot ur help plx^^

[/quote]

Why would you think about stopping before you even start? If you are having doubts then you shouldn’t do it at all. Get on the recommended supplements and you can decide if you want to do a cycle or not after the 6 weeks. This is a very basic cycle and relatively safe, there are always risks with every cycle and you will have to decide for yourself if the benefits will outweighs the risks.

Regular blood tests are always a good idea.

It’s your first cycle and GH is a long term commitment. I would wait until you’re able to stay on for at least 6 months to a year otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

12 weeks for a mass cycle is the bare minimum. What do you mean is this enough? Enough to be Ronnie Coleman? Probably not… But it’s enough for a first time cycle. After the 12 weeks, you should do a pct and let your system recover and then do another cycle depending on your goal.

I’m getting the feeling you didn’t do enough research from the questions you’re asking and you’re jumping into something you’re not sure of.

There’s a million ways to cut… When to cut is completely individual and your goal now is to put on mass so it’s irrelevant at this point.
[/quote]

i got it,thx a lot Mr.shadow pro^.<

12 weeks for mass cycle ,after i need 4-8weeks rest for pct recove my ststem right?[/quote]

Recovery time should be at least 8 weeks and possibly more. You will need to get bloodwork done after the pct.
[/quote]

you can suggest what drugs for pct,for i recovery time at least 8 weeks and possibly more?thx a lot plx!!

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow,

I almost cut carbs but. Im training with high volume everyday with mountaindog workouts. Im
7 weeks out getting good results and keeping mass cutting slowly carbs. But this week I only have them pre workout and intra.

How much Plazma can I use? I’m taking 6 caps of Indigo and 6 caps of Micro Pa, plus 1.5 MAG-10 30 min after training.

How do you use Indigo in pre contest?

Thanks[/quote]

The amount of Plazma you use will depend on your total carb intake for the diet. If you have 100g of carbs a day then I would have all of the intraworkout… If you have 300g then I would have about 1/2 of that or more during the workout and the rest pre and post workout.

Pre-comp I would take the Indigo-3G before my biggest carb meal (which is my Plazma) so I take it 30min preworkout.

Try the Micro-PA pre and post workout. Do 3-4 60min preworkout and 3-4 post workout with the MAG-10.

At 7 weeks out, your diet should be very well constructed by now. You should know how many carbs you need to have during the workout. If you can post pictures I would be happy to help.
[/quote]

DIET

Meal 1
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 2 prewo
1/2 Finibar
or
30 grams whey, 1/2 cup rice cream, 1 tbsp butter

Intraworkout
1 to 3 Plazma

Meal 3 postwo
1.5 scoops MAG-10

Meal 4
6 oz beef

Meal 5
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish
15 grams EVOO or butter

Meal 6
6 oz chicken, turkey or white fish

SUPPS
6 Indigo-3G
6 Micro-PA
2 Z-12

AAS
75 tren-a ED (planing 100 ED)
75 Master ED (planing 100 ED)
60 Anavar (30 preworkout 30 before bed)
3 GH first thing in the morning and 3 before bed
20 Nolva

EXTRAS
Walk 45 minutes first thing in the morning and before bedtime
1 huge cheat clean meal every week or every other week.

WEIGHT
204,6 LB
174 cm

I don’t know how to play with carbs. I’m afraid to put them incorrectly and slowdown my progress.

[/quote]

You look good for 7 weeks out… A little bit flat but I think that’s due to the very low amount of carbs you’re eating.

This what what I would suggest:
-3-4 scoops of Plazma intraworkout. This won’t slow your progress, you cannot gain fat from this just keep the intensity of your workout up.

• you don’t need 1/2 cup of cream of rice before the workout,better to use these carbs in the workout. Just have the 30g of whey and 1 tbsp of almond butter… I’m assuming you mean almond butter and not real butter?
  -cycle looks good, but change the GH to first thing in the morning and 90 min pre workout instead of before bed.
  -WAY TOO MUCH CARDIO. An hour a day is more than enough and even that is pushing it. This is part of the reason why you’re flat.

** I really hope you aren’t eating real butter in the diet. MCT oil is your best option while dieting.

No problem to increase the tren and masteron to 100 everyday

[/quote]

Thank you Shadow! You are relly helping me to undersand better some details.

Yes, it is grass feed butter. I was using it because I’m allergic to the nuts. Meanwhile I order MCT, can I use coconut oil? Can I switch butter by avocado or EVOO? How would you spread these fats over the meals?

Using your guidelines, when you recommend me have a high carb meal? Every 5 or 7 days? How many carbs do you limit it? I like have it in my heavy leg day. Before having a dinner I take 8 Indigo-3G and during 12 Elitepro mineral because cromium/vanadium/magnesium to help manage insulin. I even thought take some Micro-Pa as well.

As far as GH, how long time should pass between? I wake up 7:00 am and I usually workout at 13:00

Last but not least. I read you would add test-p with tren-a. I don’t use it because I tried some test-cyp in the past and I had a quick inhibition and atrophy. Even the results were not good as I thought. My body didn’t progress as much I expected. It wasn’t worth it use some test, at least long ester like cyp.

My bood test when I’m off or even before use some AAS shows me I produce almost no progesterone. When I use tren I feel so good. It matches me perfectly and after 6 weeks using it with master I don’t have any atrophy or inhibition. Its progestagenic character works very well in my system.

I’m a bit scared to put some test-p right now. Would you use it? at 6 week out I will notice something worth it? using 100 mg of tren-a ED, how much?

If you let me post my progress next weeks I really appreciate to learn a bit the smalls adjustments I could do.

Thanks for sharing your time and experience. Thanks to Biotest. It’s a dream.

[/quote]

Yes, you can switch the butter to mct, coconut oil or avocado. As for the fat, I would put most of it in your no-carb meals (4,5,6). You can have a cheat meal once a week… Let’s say every Saturday or Sunday. You don’t need to limit yourself completely but just don’t go into a binge. For example, have a main meal and a dessert… A burger and a piece cake for instance.

Take your Elitepro minerals post workout and before bed. Do 6 and 6, it will help with recovery. With this kind of diet you’re very insulin sensitive as it is so you don’t need to worry about taking the minerals during your meal.

Take indigo before your biggest carb meal, which is the Plazma intraworkout so have it 30 min pre workout. And on the cheat meal day, take the indigo 30 min before the meal.

I find that micro-pa works good pre workout as recommended and also post workout or before bed I figured out through experimentation. You can do either, but 4-6 capsules each time.

Do GH when you wake up, 20-30 min before meal 1 and 60-90min before your workout, at 11:30 or 12:00

If you didn’t use test up until now, you can add it at 6 weeks. You don’t have to but it will give you more fullness. You look flat in your pictures so I think this can help and then drop it at 2 weeks out. It’s a short ester so it won’t cause you a lot of water retention.
If you decide to use it I would use 100mg every other day to start with and if you like what you see you can even use 100mg everyday… If it were me, I would do it. Don’t forget to drop it at 2 weeks out.

I don’t mind you posting pictures here, I’ll do my best to help. Good luck!

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Hey shadow, thank you for the 17 responses to my previous post a few weeks ago, and i am glad you did like the questions and answered them gladly and with detail !

if you are not very tired of answering new questions, here i have developed some new interesting ones:

You said your ideal time to do you cardio is after a workout. but what happpens if you injected for example 10 ui humalog IM, and zipped 2 scoops of Plazma intra workout, and your workout lasted 1:40 hours. You will still have the insulin in your body until 3-4 hours of injection, right?

SO, is it better to sit down and wait 2 - 2 30 hours more and then perform your cardio when the insulin has faded, or can you do the cardio with the insulin still in your system? (wont this blunt the fat burning effect of the cardio?)

I did your protocol for 3 weeks, insulin before breakfast (5-10ui) and insulin before workout (10-15 ui), and some times only before workout, always zipping on Plazma. (combined with no GH and a good AS cycle) with only this addition I GAINED 2 CLEAN (OR ALMOST CLEAN) KG OF MUSCLE, it was very impressive.

BUT i like to measure my Fasting glucose levels with a glucometer, and with this protocol my FGL went from 85-90mg/dl to 110-120mg/dl, in a few weeks. It makes me think that i loose insulin sensitivity very quickly, but i did not gain any fat on the process.
Is this sustainable in the long run? (high FGL but using insulin anyway?)
any way to drive FGL back to range WHILE using slin?

im thinking metformin but i see you dont like the stuff, any clear reason why not using it for short periods of time to solve this problem?

3. is it better for insulin sensitivity to consume only 7-8gr carbs per 10 ui slin? (less carbs than 1 per ui)? or it has nothing to do with it?

4. What would the ideal glucose level be if using Humalog preworkout, when finishing the workout? 80mg/dl ?

4.1) Sometimes i finish the workout with this reading, and after the insulin fades (4hrs) my glucose level rises to 110-120mg/dl BUT I HAVENT EATEN ANY CARBS, only the intra workout plazma hours before. any hints why is this happening?

5. when you tapper down your compounds to enter PCT, do you use something similar to the “stasis taper” proposed by a member of T-Nation some years ago?( you wait 6 weeeks injecting only 100mg test and nothing more, and then taper down) please give vour opinion about this protocol, and do you even knew about it?

6. all the years before you arrival to this forum, many many entities never recommended more than 500 UI per HCG shot, and never using it in PCT. I see you recommend 1000-5000 UI shots in PCT, like old school bodybuilders did, but this is against many new school opinions, as these doses are supposed to create a negative feedback loop and the extreme rise in testosterone from those HCG doses would cause more supression and at a higher level than the HPTA (due to the HCG acting at another level than exo test) AND the aromatization in the testicles would be extremely high with those HCG doses.
   please comment on this topic, as the different opinions can confuse us mortals sometimes…hehe…

7. IF HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING you see your client and think he is a good candidate to use insulin until THE DAY of the show, what would be a loading protocol with insulin look like? what about water intake when using insulin the day of the show? diuretics?

please give general ideas so i can experiment with myself and come up with a good protocol, some guidelines would be very appreciated, i know your opinion is that it is very individual, but generally speaking, it would be nice to know some tips, general guielines, etc. for a protocol like this. !

8. Microwaving eggs, whey protein, etc. any downfall? its an easy and quick alernative to regular cooking, but do you absorb the protein as good as regular cooking?

Thank you in advance again, and i hope you enjoy my questions. i think you are the only one able to answer them, so please ! enlighten me!! jeje

cheers from chile![/quote]

1. Ideally your workout should be closer to 2-2.5hours especially if you are doing insulin and Plazma. By this time your insulin has already peaked. I don’t see an issue to do the cardio right away, any effect it will have on the fat burning process is very minimal. In the big picture, what matters is how much extra energy expenditure you have… My cardio is very mild and never more than 20-30 min, I only use it as an extra energy expenditure. Most of my fat burning is occurring from the diet.

2. When you’re using insulin there will always be an increase in FDL, it’s normal since you are using outside insulin. As long as you keep eating clean, your “real” insulin sensitivity won’t go down that fast. I’ll always go by my current bodyfat percentage, if I’m very lean I know it’s not bad but if I start to gain fat then I will back off the insulin.

I’m not against metformin, you can use it if you want. I just think if you’re using insulin for 6-8 weeks and then off for the same amount of time then your insulin sensitivity won’t be hurt significantly. Assuming you’re starting from a very lean state.

3. If you’re not going hypo then by all means use less carbs than 1:1 It’s individual and you have to experiment, it will help with insulin sensitivity to an extent.

4.a. It’s hard for me to give you an exact number as it’s very individual based on many factors.
4b. My best guess would be that your body is still absorbing some of the carbs and this is why it’s not down completely. It should be a little lower than this. Check after 6 hours and see what you find. The insulin is probably still in your system at this 4 hour point.

5. Never heard about this system. I usually just taper down more gradually than this and go into my pct.

6. I understand this system and I see the scientific logic behind it. I can tell you from many years of trial and error that the high dosage of HCG works great probably due to the high dosages we are using and the fact that most pros never ACTUALLY come off completely and require a higher dosage to make any kind of impact. All of the studies done are on regular people, not steroid abusing bodybuilder haha… This changes the whole picture.

7. This is very VERY general… * I don’t recommend anyone actually try this unless they have a coach with them who knows what they are doing. This is not a standard protocol by any means!
   In order for this you need to be 100% on that day, anything less than this will lead a disastrous watery mess on stage.
   Depends on the amount of carbs you’re loading with but a conservative approach would be to take 5iu with every meal or every other meal depending on how much you’re filling up and how much water you hold. Carbs would be a combination of simple and complex carbs (yams and honey for example) and a small amount of protein. Drink 4-8oz of water with each meal (amount depends on the individual)

A more aggressive approach would be 3 big shots of 10-20iu of Humalog followed by large amounts of carbs and a small amount of water to help absorption. If you go this route you’ll need to use aldactizide or aldactone with each shot and the amount would be 25-50mg depending on the individual.

Depending how you look in the morning, you’ll need to make appropriate adjustments with food and diuretics.

8. Never saw an issue with this. I wouldn’t cook all of your meals in the microwave but there’s no problem with it besides that it tastes like shit. And any effect on absorption would be minimal if any.