Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

Shadow_Pro · August 6, 2014, 3:19am

[quote]jch4z wrote:
Also, could you give a general prescription for the post show rebound? I planned on slowly tapering off but I’d like To get as much in terms of gains as I could in those 3-4 weeks after the show. And thank you for your PCT recommendations. I never considered adding something like Alpha Male but I’m definitely going to do that. [/quote]

If you plan to do a good rebound after the show, I would taper down the orals but stay on the short ester injectables for those 3-4 weeks and then start to slowly taper down. After the show, start to increase your calories slowly (more specifically your carbs) make sure it’s clean food and not shit, your body will be very sensitive after the show and whatever you feed your body you will absorb. If you eat quality food and increase calories gradually you’ll grow like a weed but if you eat shitty food you’ll get fat very fast.

After you taper down, start your PCT… The AlphaMale is a great idea, it will help with the efficiency of the pct and prevent crashing.

Shadow_Pro · August 6, 2014, 3:21am

[quote]bb1960 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bb1960 wrote:
-54 yr old male 6’2" 245lbs
-Trt for 6 yrs 100 mg test e/wk, 250 hcg, .25 mg adex all split to eod
-Training for 12 yrs heavy compound with hypertrophy work after. Sets/reps changed every few weeks. Train 4 times/ week.
-Nutrition at 320 g protein, 140 g fat, 400 g carbs(most pre and post workout none intra) around 5000 cal/day over 6 meals.

Looking at a first cycle of test e(wish I had used prop instead) gonna stick with the hcg and likely switch to nolvadex starting at 10mg/wk. I’m debating about another compound as well but confused as to witch one, if any. Looking for size and strength. Thinking of win sterol, Tbol, dbol, or masteron p.

Looking for some guidance. Your threads have been most informative but has me a little confused too. As everyone does I’m sure, I appreciate your help.
[/quote]

Before thinking about starting a cycle you need to adjust your diet. By looking at your pictures and your macros, your fat consumption is way too high and I would cut this in half at least. Try to get your bodyfat percentage down before starting.

Also, if you’re eating as much as 400g of carbs a day you need to be having 150g of those (or more ) intraworkout. The timing of these is very important.

As for the second compound… For size and strength dbol would be a great option but this would include water retention, and at your current bodyfat it would make you appear fatter so it’s probably not a look you’d desire. Tbol is similar but less water retention (and less strength). Winstrol is great for size and strength but can cause joint sensitivity. Masteron will only help with body composition purposes. I’ll leave the choice up to you… Any of them will work but it comes down to what your goals are.

Nolvadex and HCG use are fine

[/quote]

I appreciate your comments. I’ll drop the fat to about 50-60 g fat/day and increase carbs in the intra workout while also compensating extra for the decrease in fat intake.

Would a cycle of test prop rather than test e with masteron p be a good start considering my body composition? Not sure of the dose but 80 mg each eod or more/less for 10 to 12 weeks.

Thank you for your help and advice. [/quote]

Test-p, masteron-p and some sort of fat burner (and GH if you can afford it) would be a better choice for you. 100mg every other day would be a good start. Don’t forget the nolva and HCG.

Shadow_Pro · August 6, 2014, 3:25am

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.

bb1960 · August 6, 2014, 3:31am

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bb1960 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bb1960 wrote:
-54 yr old male 6’2" 245lbs
-Trt for 6 yrs 100 mg test e/wk, 250 hcg, .25 mg adex all split to eod
-Training for 12 yrs heavy compound with hypertrophy work after. Sets/reps changed every few weeks. Train 4 times/ week.
-Nutrition at 320 g protein, 140 g fat, 400 g carbs(most pre and post workout none intra) around 5000 cal/day over 6 meals.

Looking at a first cycle of test e(wish I had used prop instead) gonna stick with the hcg and likely switch to nolvadex starting at 10mg/wk. I’m debating about another compound as well but confused as to witch one, if any. Looking for size and strength. Thinking of win sterol, Tbol, dbol, or masteron p.

Looking for some guidance. Your threads have been most informative but has me a little confused too. As everyone does I’m sure, I appreciate your help.
[/quote]

Before thinking about starting a cycle you need to adjust your diet. By looking at your pictures and your macros, your fat consumption is way too high and I would cut this in half at least. Try to get your bodyfat percentage down before starting.

Also, if you’re eating as much as 400g of carbs a day you need to be having 150g of those (or more ) intraworkout. The timing of these is very important.

As for the second compound… For size and strength dbol would be a great option but this would include water retention, and at your current bodyfat it would make you appear fatter so it’s probably not a look you’d desire. Tbol is similar but less water retention (and less strength). Winstrol is great for size and strength but can cause joint sensitivity. Masteron will only help with body composition purposes. I’ll leave the choice up to you… Any of them will work but it comes down to what your goals are.

Nolvadex and HCG use are fine

[/quote]

I appreciate your comments. I’ll drop the fat to about 50-60 g fat/day and increase carbs in the intra workout while also compensating extra for the decrease in fat intake.

Would a cycle of test prop rather than test e with masteron p be a good start considering my body composition? Not sure of the dose but 80 mg each eod or more/less for 10 to 12 weeks.

Thank you for your help and advice. [/quote]

Test-p, masteron-p and some sort of fat burner (and GH if you can afford it) would be a better choice for you. 100mg every other day would be a good start. Don’t forget the nolva and HCG.
[/quote]

Thanks again, I wish hgh was affordable I would definitely try it out. The nolvadex and hcg were going to stay the same. I’ll taper down in the final 2-3 weeks and go back to a 250 mg test Trt and then try another cycle.

You provide a great service with your advice. Thanks again.

Bling82 · August 6, 2014, 9:05am

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?

yona34 · August 6, 2014, 9:17am

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:
I think yona is trying to say that he wants to start a cycle of turinabol but his liver enzyme values are a little high, so what should he consider for liver protection.

That’s my best shot.[/quote]
Yes the tbol looks to me a good steroid except for the liver
I’m looking to up my weight remaining low in fat and water, little tbol be good for me
I wonder if with liver protection as Desmodium or liv 52 This little protect my liver?
Otherwise I also options to a low cycle masteron 350mg a week and 150mg testo proprio per week
What would be the results?
If oral little we take the risk with liver protection for the liver and a good diet?
thank you Shadow
[/quote]

I would suggest that you do the masteron and test cycle, there’s no need to put extra stress on the liver if you have issues to begin with.
[/quote]
thank you Shadow
I can only take Masteron?
What are the results? such as primobolan?
I Masteron 400mg per week for 10 weeks?
thank you

yona34 · August 6, 2014, 10:54am

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:
I think yona is trying to say that he wants to start a cycle of turinabol but his liver enzyme values are a little high, so what should he consider for liver protection.

That’s my best shot.[/quote]
Yes the tbol looks to me a good steroid except for the liver
I’m looking to up my weight remaining low in fat and water, little tbol be good for me
I wonder if with liver protection as Desmodium or liv 52 This little protect my liver?
Otherwise I also options to a low cycle masteron 350mg a week and 150mg testo proprio per week
What would be the results?
If oral little we take the risk with liver protection for the liver and a good diet?
thank you Shadow
[/quote]

I would suggest that you do the masteron and test cycle, there’s no need to put extra stress on the liver if you have issues to begin with.
[/quote]
thank you Shadow
I can only take Masteron?
What are the results? such as primobolan?
I Masteron 400mg per week for 10 weeks?
thank you

Fathermithras · August 6, 2014, 4:13pm

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
Also, could you give a general prescription for the post show rebound? I planned on slowly tapering off but I’d like To get as much in terms of gains as I could in those 3-4 weeks after the show. And thank you for your PCT recommendations. I never considered adding something like Alpha Male but I’m definitely going to do that. [/quote]

If you plan to do a good rebound after the show, I would taper down the orals but stay on the short ester injectables for those 3-4 weeks and then start to slowly taper down. After the show, start to increase your calories slowly (more specifically your carbs) make sure it’s clean food and not shit, your body will be very sensitive after the show and whatever you feed your body you will absorb. If you eat quality food and increase calories gradually you’ll grow like a weed but if you eat shitty food you’ll get fat very fast.

After you taper down, start your PCT… The AlphaMale is a great idea, it will help with the efficiency of the pct and prevent crashing.[/quote]

Hey, I did exactly this per your recommendations after last show. Ate clean, reverse dieted, used short esters to rebound. After winning my lightweight class at 152, I am up to 162. A few pounds are fat but I still have a six pack and am veiny and getting strong as shit. Follow this guys advise!

jch4z · August 6, 2014, 4:27pm

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
Thanks for all your help in this thread. My question is, how far out from a competition should you stop taking injectables? Specifically tren acetate and test prop[/quote]

It depends on how much you use throughout the whole prep and what your current condition is. If you aren’t 100% ready, I would cut the prop at 2 weeks out and the tren anywhere from 4-7 days out. If you are 100% on, you could possibly keep these injectables up til the Wednesday before the show.

If this is something you need help with before a show, you can always post some pictures and more information here and I’d be able to give you more accurate advise.[/quote]

Well today is my Wednesday before the show so I’ll take my last shot today. And thank you for your reply. I just wish this knowledge had been here the whole prep. I have gotten good results but I haven’t had solid sources of info on the chemical side of things. But now I know thanks to everything you’ve been willing to share so next year is going to be a whole new ball game. I’m going to shake things up this year, but with this info I’m going to dominate next year. I just haven’t taken the proper dosages for the optimal duration. So my cycle for the show has been pretty mild

Shadow_Pro · August 7, 2014, 7:02am

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.

Shadow_Pro · August 7, 2014, 7:04am

[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:
I think yona is trying to say that he wants to start a cycle of turinabol but his liver enzyme values are a little high, so what should he consider for liver protection.

That’s my best shot.[/quote]
Yes the tbol looks to me a good steroid except for the liver
I’m looking to up my weight remaining low in fat and water, little tbol be good for me
I wonder if with liver protection as Desmodium or liv 52 This little protect my liver?
Otherwise I also options to a low cycle masteron 350mg a week and 150mg testo proprio per week
What would be the results?
If oral little we take the risk with liver protection for the liver and a good diet?
thank you Shadow
[/quote]

I would suggest that you do the masteron and test cycle, there’s no need to put extra stress on the liver if you have issues to begin with.
[/quote]
thank you Shadow
I can only take Masteron?
What are the results? such as primobolan?
I Masteron 400mg per week for 10 weeks?
thank you[/quote]

TAKE TEST-PROP AND MASTERON TOGETHER @100mg EVERY OTHER DAY.
THE CYCLE WILL HELP WITH BODY COMPOSITION.
10 WEEKS IS GOOD.

Shadow_Pro · August 7, 2014, 7:04am

[quote]Fathermithras wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
Also, could you give a general prescription for the post show rebound? I planned on slowly tapering off but I’d like To get as much in terms of gains as I could in those 3-4 weeks after the show. And thank you for your PCT recommendations. I never considered adding something like Alpha Male but I’m definitely going to do that. [/quote]

If you plan to do a good rebound after the show, I would taper down the orals but stay on the short ester injectables for those 3-4 weeks and then start to slowly taper down. After the show, start to increase your calories slowly (more specifically your carbs) make sure it’s clean food and not shit, your body will be very sensitive after the show and whatever you feed your body you will absorb. If you eat quality food and increase calories gradually you’ll grow like a weed but if you eat shitty food you’ll get fat very fast.

After you taper down, start your PCT… The AlphaMale is a great idea, it will help with the efficiency of the pct and prevent crashing.[/quote]

Hey, I did exactly this per your recommendations after last show. Ate clean, reverse dieted, used short esters to rebound. After winning my lightweight class at 152, I am up to 162. A few pounds are fat but I still have a six pack and am veiny and getting strong as shit. Follow this guys advise!
[/quote]

Glad to hear it’s working for you, keep me posted on your progress!

Shadow_Pro · August 7, 2014, 7:06am

[quote]jch4z wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]jch4z wrote:
Thanks for all your help in this thread. My question is, how far out from a competition should you stop taking injectables? Specifically tren acetate and test prop[/quote]

It depends on how much you use throughout the whole prep and what your current condition is. If you aren’t 100% ready, I would cut the prop at 2 weeks out and the tren anywhere from 4-7 days out. If you are 100% on, you could possibly keep these injectables up til the Wednesday before the show.

If this is something you need help with before a show, you can always post some pictures and more information here and I’d be able to give you more accurate advise.[/quote]

Well today is my Wednesday before the show so I’ll take my last shot today. And thank you for your reply. I just wish this knowledge had been here the whole prep. I have gotten good results but I haven’t had solid sources of info on the chemical side of things. But now I know thanks to everything you’ve been willing to share so next year is going to be a whole new ball game. I’m going to shake things up this year, but with this info I’m going to dominate next year. I just haven’t taken the proper dosages for the optimal duration. So my cycle for the show has been pretty mild [/quote]

No problem, I’m here to help! Best of luck to you in the show, post pictures after the show and I’ll let you know what I think.

Bling82 · August 7, 2014, 8:12am

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.
[/quote]

Would you continue with the adex and nolva, when i start taking letrozol, or would you just take the letro? Ive tryed letro before, and it just killed my energy :-/

Anass · August 7, 2014, 12:32pm

Hi Shadowpro !

What’s your take on KETO pre contest,i’m endo,I have trouble losing fat even i’m on low carbs and I have IBS
Say i’m doing cardio pre breakfast I have my fatburners and bcaa do 30 min. cardio,take a shower then have my breakfast of:

a cup eggwhites + 3 eggs+20ml olive oil,when I’m in ketosis is that fat in my breakfast going 2 block my fatburn? The same with post workout bro I train,sip bcaa do my cardio and have a whey isolate shake,30-45m later a solid protein/fat meal,is that fat is going 2 block my fatburn?

thnx!

Shadow_Pro · August 7, 2014, 8:08pm

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.
[/quote]

Would you continue with the adex and nolva, when i start taking letrozol, or would you just take the letro? Ive tryed letro before, and it just killed my energy :-/[/quote]

Continue using them for the first 3-4 days when you start the letrozole then drop the Adex. Just stay on nolva and letrozole until the symptoms subside and then drop the letrozole. Unfortunately, the letro will make you feel like shit regardless but you can try the Brain Candy from the store here. I’m dieting right now and it’s a life saver for me at this point.

Make sure you stay on the nolvadex after you are finished.

Shadow_Pro · August 7, 2014, 8:33pm

[quote]Anass wrote:
Hi Shadowpro !

What’s your take on KETO pre contest,i’m endo,I have trouble losing fat even i’m on low carbs and I have IBS
Say i’m doing cardio pre breakfast I have my fatburners and bcaa do 30 min. cardio,take a shower then have my breakfast of:

a cup eggwhites + 3 eggs+20ml olive oil,when I’m in ketosis is that fat in my breakfast going 2 block my fatburn? The same with post workout bro I train,sip bcaa do my cardio and have a whey isolate shake,30-45m later a solid protein/fat meal,is that fat is going 2 block my fatburn?

thnx![/quote]

I’m not a big fan of keto but I would definitely keep the fat away post workout or post cardio.

Even if you’re an endomorph I would still have carbs strategically placed… Mostly intra workout and this will actually help you with your fat burning goals. A true keto diet is unsuitable for performance or physique athletes.

Bling82 · August 7, 2014, 8:42pm

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.
[/quote]

Would you continue with the adex and nolva, when i start taking letrozol, or would you just take the letro? Ive tryed letro before, and it just killed my energy :-/[/quote]

Continue using them for the first 3-4 days when you start the letrozole then drop the Adex. Just stay on nolva and letrozole until the symptoms subside and then drop the letrozole. Unfortunately, the letro will make you feel like shit regardless but you can try the Brain Candy from the store here. I’m dieting right now and it’s a life saver for me at this point.

Make sure you stay on the nolvadex after you are finished.[/quote]

IF its from the tren, what caber dosage would you recommend?

Thanks for all your help. Its a lifesaver.

Im gonna wait for 3-4 days to see if the nolva does the job. If not im gonna go with the caber, and if it dosent help, the letro.

TheSpiderman · August 8, 2014, 3:18am

Hi Shadow Pro,

Thanks in advance for all that you are doing. And the help I know you will be able to provide me with.

I am about 5’10 and 185 pounds currently. I just finished a show 5 weeks ago and am planning to compete again in about 12 weeks, November 1st. I am not natural but plan to go into this next show natural as I have done 3 cycles since this time last year (all prohormones… epi, trenavar, superdrol,dmz) I am still young so I do not want to shut down my natural production again until around December in the offseason.

I do however wish to use clenbuterol for the first time to cut for this next show. That is the topic of my post.

based on research I have done and how I feel I know my body, In my mind I thought I would run a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method starting at 10 weeks out. Working my way to my highest dose at the end of the first two weeks. But when I saw your helpfulness to other people in this thread I decided to sign up and get your input, after all this is my first time using clen and I want to do it right.

Based on the photo below, what would you recommend for a clen cycle going into this show. I also have access to Ketotifin so you may include that as well. As well, do you think I am wasting my time going into this show natural? it will be a lot of work while away at school and to make it home to get back to the show. The show I plan to compete in is the NPC Midwest Ironman, if you know of it.

Shadow_Pro · August 8, 2014, 5:52am