Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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[quote]waterproof wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]waterproof wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]

It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.

Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[/quote]

Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?

What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?

Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?

Thanks for reply[/quote]

Theoretically you can add any of these but it depends on your goal, level and experience. If you are going to continue to train and eat properly after the cycle then it will determine how much of the gains you will keep.

As for the peptides, I’ve went over how I feel about these many times. You can try them if you want but I don’t believe you’ll be able to get your hands on the real thing.

If you have questions about how to use GH, read through the first thread… You’ll find a lot of information about it there.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
hey Shadow, how long do you advise your clients to stay off between their cycles?

I ask because I used to stick quite religiously to the time on + PCT = time off rule, but I find myself struggling to keep to that rule, and the time off between cycles has dropped down to as little as 8 weeks sometimes (My cycles tend to be 10 weeks with a 4 week taper and 5 week PCT).

I’m still adamant I don’t want to start blasting and cruising. I won’t do so until after I’ve had children (I realise the fertility concerns are overblown but I just don’t think I could live with myself if I had to tell my girl we can’t have kids because I wanted another couple of inches on my thighs), so I’m just wondering what, in your opinion, would the harm be from such an approach?

For what it’s worth my PCTs are always a breeze with no loss of libido and like 90% of the gains are kept post cycle. A typical cycle would be 1g test or so, maybe a little EQ and some dbol or var thrown in here and there.[/quote]

It really depends on the person, there’s no set amount of time… I’m going as low as half of the time on the cycle, so 8 weeks off +pct time after a 16 week cycle and as much as 16 weeks off after a 16 week cycle.

I recommend blood tests after 1/2 of the time you were on and if everything comes back looking good then you can start up again.

From my opinion, as long as you are doing a proper pct then I don’t think fertility will be an issue. The only time I see fertility issues is when someone has really fucked up after a cycle or if they have fertility issues to begin with (no relation to the gear)

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
hey Shadow, how long do you advise your clients to stay off between their cycles?

I ask because I used to stick quite religiously to the time on + PCT = time off rule, but I find myself struggling to keep to that rule, and the time off between cycles has dropped down to as little as 8 weeks sometimes (My cycles tend to be 10 weeks with a 4 week taper and 5 week PCT).

I’m still adamant I don’t want to start blasting and cruising. I won’t do so until after I’ve had children (I realise the fertility concerns are overblown but I just don’t think I could live with myself if I had to tell my girl we can’t have kids because I wanted another couple of inches on my thighs), so I’m just wondering what, in your opinion, would the harm be from such an approach?

For what it’s worth my PCTs are always a breeze with no loss of libido and like 90% of the gains are kept post cycle. A typical cycle would be 1g test or so, maybe a little EQ and some dbol or var thrown in here and there.[/quote]

It really depends on the person, there’s no set amount of time… I’m going as low as half of the time on the cycle, so 8 weeks off +pct time after a 16 week cycle and as much as 16 weeks off after a 16 week cycle.

I recommend blood tests after 1/2 of the time you were on and if everything comes back looking good then you can start up again.

From my opinion, as long as you are doing a proper pct then I don’t think fertility will be an issue. The only time I see fertility issues is when someone has really fucked up after a cycle or if they have fertility issues to begin with (no relation to the gear)
[/quote]

it’s funny, I feel like I’m back to normal by the time I’m 3 weeks into my PCT. I think tapering down doses and running what are predominantly just test only cycles probably has something to do with it. I also PCT pretty aggressively, using SERMs, hCG and a few other goodies.

Basically, I’m going to selectively use your advice and pretend you said it’s cool just to jump on after 8 weeks…

…well not exactly, but I’ll check to see if everything’s kosher after a couple of months (I’m just finishing up a PCT now) and if it’s all good I won’t feel too guilty about going back on instead of waiting the extra 6 weeks that the internet says you’re supposed to.

I need to stop buying my gear for my next cycle before I finish my current one! I’d be able to hold out for much longer if I didn’t have it in my house, just sitting there, calling to me…

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Hi Shadow!

Thanks for reply

This is my cycle for competitions, since I have two competition( powerlifting and men’s physique), so I add some insulin for bulking, and some masteron for cutting

Week1-3, 7-9:insulin 2iu first day Each Day add 1iu to 10iu(5 days x 4 weeks)
Week1-8:TP TREN DROMO 1ml 50mg ED total 150mg ED
Week9-12:TP TREN DROMO 1.5 ml 75mg ED total 225mg ED
Week1-12:TBOL 20mg ED
Week1-4:hgh 4iu ED
Week5-8:hgh 5iu ED
Week9-12:hgh 6iu ED
Week1-12:t3 t4 12.5mcg 50mcg
Week1-12:HCG 410iu EW( mix in test e 1.2ml)
Week4-6,10-12: clenbuterol 20mg first three days, add 20mcg each three days until see side effect
Week12: Lasix 20mg first day(Wednesday) add 20mg ED to 80mg in five days(to Sunday)

Is this Okay for competitions?

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Shadow,

I have the opportunity to get Var at a cheaper rate since my friends source is putting in a bulk order. I don’t plan on running it for a couple of months until I’m done reverse dieting and in full blown gaining mode. Also want to get my T4 dosage figured out first. Just have a question regarding the dosing, and which plan you think is best for optimal recovery. I don’t plan on pinning test yet.

It would be 8 weeks:

50mg/60/60/60/60/70/70/70

Or would you recommend tapering up and then down again?

60/60/60/70/70/70/60/50?

I’ve read you recommend tapering with test, was wondering if the same applied to oral only cycles

Any recommendations on dosing Var from your personal experience? I’d assume one dose pre workout, about 60 minutes prior

Thanks!

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You spoke of only upping doses based upon eliminating all other possibilities for growth if a plateau is hit. I’m also wondering is it possible to run a shorter cycle when first starting and lengthening each cycle as time passes instead of upping the dosage?

For a guy like me who is on TRT - I’ve done a 6 week and 8 week cycles at 500/wk test cyp. Maybe the cycle isn’t long enough, but I’ve seen some good effect of running short blast cycles that way instead of upping the dose. Since I basically never come off, this has seemed to work pretty well for me.

Am I being wasteful?

Also, the test I take is the typical 250mg/cc. Is it possible to do 2cc’s per injection w/o getting a huge lump at the injection site or “flu” as they say?

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
hey Shadow, how long do you advise your clients to stay off between their cycles?

I ask because I used to stick quite religiously to the time on + PCT = time off rule, but I find myself struggling to keep to that rule, and the time off between cycles has dropped down to as little as 8 weeks sometimes (My cycles tend to be 10 weeks with a 4 week taper and 5 week PCT).

I’m still adamant I don’t want to start blasting and cruising. I won’t do so until after I’ve had children (I realise the fertility concerns are overblown but I just don’t think I could live with myself if I had to tell my girl we can’t have kids because I wanted another couple of inches on my thighs), so I’m just wondering what, in your opinion, would the harm be from such an approach?

For what it’s worth my PCTs are always a breeze with no loss of libido and like 90% of the gains are kept post cycle. A typical cycle would be 1g test or so, maybe a little EQ and some dbol or var thrown in here and there.[/quote]

It really depends on the person, there’s no set amount of time… I’m going as low as half of the time on the cycle, so 8 weeks off +pct time after a 16 week cycle and as much as 16 weeks off after a 16 week cycle.

I recommend blood tests after 1/2 of the time you were on and if everything comes back looking good then you can start up again.

From my opinion, as long as you are doing a proper pct then I don’t think fertility will be an issue. The only time I see fertility issues is when someone has really fucked up after a cycle or if they have fertility issues to begin with (no relation to the gear)
[/quote]

it’s funny, I feel like I’m back to normal by the time I’m 3 weeks into my PCT. I think tapering down doses and running what are predominantly just test only cycles probably has something to do with it. I also PCT pretty aggressively, using SERMs, hCG and a few other goodies.

Basically, I’m going to selectively use your advice and pretend you said it’s cool just to jump on after 8 weeks…

…well not exactly, but I’ll check to see if everything’s kosher after a couple of months (I’m just finishing up a PCT now) and if it’s all good I won’t feel too guilty about going back on instead of waiting the extra 6 weeks that the internet says you’re supposed to.

I need to stop buying my gear for my next cycle before I finish my current one! I’d be able to hold out for much longer if I didn’t have it in my house, just sitting there, calling to me…[/quote]

8 weeks is good for most people, I’m sure you’ll be fine based on your history but do the blood tests just to be safe.

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[quote]Victor9 wrote:
Hi Shadow!

Thanks for reply

This is my cycle for competitions, since I have two competition( powerlifting and men’s physique), so I add some insulin for bulking, and some masteron for cutting

Week1-3, 7-9:insulin 2iu first day Each Day add 1iu to 10iu(5 days x 4 weeks)
Week1-8:TP TREN DROMO 1ml 50mg ED total 150mg ED
Week9-12:TP TREN DROMO 1.5 ml 75mg ED total 225mg ED
Week1-12:TBOL 20mg ED
Week1-4:hgh 4iu ED
Week5-8:hgh 5iu ED
Week9-12:hgh 6iu ED
Week1-12:t3 t4 12.5mcg 50mcg
Week1-12:HCG 410iu EW( mix in test e 1.2ml)
Week4-6,10-12: clenbuterol 20mg first three days, add 20mcg each three days until see side effect
Week12: Lasix 20mg first day(Wednesday) add 20mg ED to 80mg in five days(to Sunday)

Is this Okay for competitions?[/quote]

I would hit the GH at a constant dose for whole 12 weeks @ 6iu everyday.

I don’t know where you got this crazy lasix use, but it’s way too long. Diuretics should be planned according to how you look in the last week, it’s not something you can plan so far ahead.

No point in using t3 and t4 at the same time, just pick 1 and go with it.

You need to pick one goal, the powerlifting or the men’s physique show and build the cycle according to the main goal. This cycle is geared towards men’s physique, it’s not ideal for powerlifting by any means.

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[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
Shadow,

I have the opportunity to get Var at a cheaper rate since my friends source is putting in a bulk order. I don’t plan on running it for a couple of months until I’m done reverse dieting and in full blown gaining mode. Also want to get my T4 dosage figured out first. Just have a question regarding the dosing, and which plan you think is best for optimal recovery. I don’t plan on pinning test yet.

It would be 8 weeks:

50mg/60/60/60/60/70/70/70

Or would you recommend tapering up and then down again?

60/60/60/70/70/70/60/50?

I’ve read you recommend tapering with test, was wondering if the same applied to oral only cycles

Any recommendations on dosing Var from your personal experience? I’d assume one dose pre workout, about 60 minutes prior

Thanks![/quote]

It won’t make a big difference either way but I always recommend tapering down from anything…therefore option 2 is better.

I would take 1 dose pre workout and 1 before bed

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[quote]osu122975 wrote:
You spoke of only upping doses based upon eliminating all other possibilities for growth if a plateau is hit. I’m also wondering is it possible to run a shorter cycle when first starting and lengthening each cycle as time passes instead of upping the dosage?

For a guy like me who is on TRT - I’ve done a 6 week and 8 week cycles at 500/wk test cyp. Maybe the cycle isn’t long enough, but I’ve seen some good effect of running short blast cycles that way instead of upping the dose. Since I basically never come off, this has seemed to work pretty well for me.

Am I being wasteful?

Also, the test I take is the typical 250mg/cc. Is it possible to do 2cc’s per injection w/o getting a huge lump at the injection site or “flu” as they say? [/quote]

It can work but it’s not ideal. I wouldn’t call it wasteful because you will see some benefits from this. It really comes down to what your goal is.

If you want to do 2cc’s in one injection you can do this but I would prefer biweekly shots. You shouldn’t see any side effects from a 2cc shot, it’s not a small dose but it’s not big enough to give you any serious symptoms.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
Shadow,

I have several questions for you…

  1. I see that you’ve recommended Cialis as part of PCT… wouldn’t that simply cover up an ED problems that one might have from not recovering properly?

  2. As far as Nolvadex on cycle instead of an AI, wouldn’t you be concerned with the increased SHBG and decreased IGF-1, inhibiting gains from the cycle?

Thanks!
[/quote]

  1. I don’t recommend it to everyone but on a case to case basis… I’ve always used it myself, it increases serum test levels and helps with prostate issues. Cialis does NOT fix outstanding ED problems but it works in a combination with the other drugs in the PCT to help overall recovery. Once the PCT is finished and the body has resumed it’s regular balance then any erectile difficulties that were cause during the cycle should be resolved because of the pct measures.

  2. The drop in igf levels are very negligible and the benefits from using it outweigh any negatives reports. I’ve been using this for years and years… Never had any issues with gains during cycles. Never had gyno either. Using arimidex isn’t wrong either, I just prefer nolvadex as my personal choice.

[/quote]

Dear Shadow Pro,

I still have a large amount of Arimidex from a previous cycle. I’m a Judo player, so as a rule, I do test only cycles and usually never more than 400mg a week for no more than 8 weeks at a time.

  1. Is there a way I can make use of the remaining Dex and still work the nolva into the cycle?

  2. I already know you are a fan of tapering so I think I already know the answer BUT…would it be wise to extend the cycle to 12 weeks?; meaning 8 weeks at 400 mg test and then week 9 @ 300 mg, week 10 @ 200, week 11 @ 100, week 12 @ 50. I’m interesting in doing things your way because, I have to admit, even with the Arimidex, itchy nipples are an issue. Thanks for any help!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]SauceMonkey wrote:
Shadow,

I have the opportunity to get Var at a cheaper rate since my friends source is putting in a bulk order. I don’t plan on running it for a couple of months until I’m done reverse dieting and in full blown gaining mode. Also want to get my T4 dosage figured out first. Just have a question regarding the dosing, and which plan you think is best for optimal recovery. I don’t plan on pinning test yet.

It would be 8 weeks:

50mg/60/60/60/60/70/70/70

Or would you recommend tapering up and then down again?

60/60/60/70/70/70/60/50?

I’ve read you recommend tapering with test, was wondering if the same applied to oral only cycles

Any recommendations on dosing Var from your personal experience? I’d assume one dose pre workout, about 60 minutes prior

Thanks![/quote]

It won’t make a big difference either way but I always recommend tapering down from anything…therefore option 2 is better.

I would take 1 dose pre workout and 1 before bed
[/quote]

that’s what I figured, thanks Shadow!

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[quote]rhod wrote:
I think yona is trying to say that he wants to start a cycle of turinabol but his liver enzyme values are a little high, so what should he consider for liver protection.

That’s my best shot.[/quote]
Yes the tbol looks to me a good steroid except for the liver
I’m looking to up my weight remaining low in fat and water, little tbol be good for me
I wonder if with liver protection as Desmodium or liv 52 This little protect my liver?
Otherwise I also options to a low cycle masteron 350mg a week and 150mg testo proprio per week
What would be the results?
If oral little we take the risk with liver protection for the liver and a good diet?
thank you Shadow

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Thanks for all your help in this thread. My question is, how far out from a competition should you stop taking injectables? Specifically tren acetate and test prop

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Also, could you give a general prescription for the post show rebound? I planned on slowly tapering off but I’d like To get as much in terms of gains as I could in those 3-4 weeks after the show. And thank you for your PCT recommendations. I never considered adding something like Alpha Male but I’m definitely going to do that.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]bb1960 wrote:
-54 yr old male 6’2" 245lbs
-Trt for 6 yrs 100 mg test e/wk, 250 hcg, .25 mg adex all split to eod
-Training for 12 yrs heavy compound with hypertrophy work after. Sets/reps changed every few weeks. Train 4 times/ week.
-Nutrition at 320 g protein, 140 g fat, 400 g carbs(most pre and post workout none intra) around 5000 cal/day over 6 meals.

Looking at a first cycle of test e(wish I had used prop instead) gonna stick with the hcg and likely switch to nolvadex starting at 10mg/wk. I’m debating about another compound as well but confused as to witch one, if any. Looking for size and strength. Thinking of win sterol, Tbol, dbol, or masteron p.

Looking for some guidance. Your threads have been most informative but has me a little confused too. As everyone does I’m sure, I appreciate your help.
[/quote]

Before thinking about starting a cycle you need to adjust your diet. By looking at your pictures and your macros, your fat consumption is way too high and I would cut this in half at least. Try to get your bodyfat percentage down before starting.

Also, if you’re eating as much as 400g of carbs a day you need to be having 150g of those (or more ) intraworkout. The timing of these is very important.

As for the second compound… For size and strength dbol would be a great option but this would include water retention, and at your current bodyfat it would make you appear fatter so it’s probably not a look you’d desire. Tbol is similar but less water retention (and less strength). Winstrol is great for size and strength but can cause joint sensitivity. Masteron will only help with body composition purposes. I’ll leave the choice up to you… Any of them will work but it comes down to what your goals are.

Nolvadex and HCG use are fine

[/quote]

I appreciate your comments. I’ll drop the fat to about 50-60 g fat/day and increase carbs in the intra workout while also compensating extra for the decrease in fat intake.

Would a cycle of test prop rather than test e with masteron p be a good start considering my body composition? Not sure of the dose but 80 mg each eod or more/less for 10 to 12 weeks.

Thank you for your help and advice.

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Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.

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[quote]indigo_blue wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
Shadow,

I have several questions for you…

  1. I see that you’ve recommended Cialis as part of PCT… wouldn’t that simply cover up an ED problems that one might have from not recovering properly?

  2. As far as Nolvadex on cycle instead of an AI, wouldn’t you be concerned with the increased SHBG and decreased IGF-1, inhibiting gains from the cycle?

Thanks!
[/quote]

  1. I don’t recommend it to everyone but on a case to case basis… I’ve always used it myself, it increases serum test levels and helps with prostate issues. Cialis does NOT fix outstanding ED problems but it works in a combination with the other drugs in the PCT to help overall recovery. Once the PCT is finished and the body has resumed it’s regular balance then any erectile difficulties that were cause during the cycle should be resolved because of the pct measures.

  2. The drop in igf levels are very negligible and the benefits from using it outweigh any negatives reports. I’ve been using this for years and years… Never had any issues with gains during cycles. Never had gyno either. Using arimidex isn’t wrong either, I just prefer nolvadex as my personal choice.

[/quote]

Dear Shadow Pro,

I still have a large amount of Arimidex from a previous cycle. I’m a Judo player, so as a rule, I do test only cycles and usually never more than 400mg a week for no more than 8 weeks at a time.

  1. Is there a way I can make use of the remaining Dex and still work the nolva into the cycle?

  2. I already know you are a fan of tapering so I think I already know the answer BUT…would it be wise to extend the cycle to 12 weeks?; meaning 8 weeks at 400 mg test and then week 9 @ 300 mg, week 10 @ 200, week 11 @ 100, week 12 @ 50. I’m interesting in doing things your way because, I have to admit, even with the Arimidex, itchy nipples are an issue. Thanks for any help!
    [/quote]

  3. There’s no point in using both, just pick one or the other.

  4. Tapering down like you suggested is a great idea, this is exactly how I would do it. If your nipples are still an issue with the arimidex, try doing the nolvadex @ 20mg everyday and do arimidex @ 1mg every 3rd day, this should eliminate any gyno issue during the cycle.

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[quote]yona34 wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:
I think yona is trying to say that he wants to start a cycle of turinabol but his liver enzyme values are a little high, so what should he consider for liver protection.

That’s my best shot.[/quote]
Yes the tbol looks to me a good steroid except for the liver
I’m looking to up my weight remaining low in fat and water, little tbol be good for me
I wonder if with liver protection as Desmodium or liv 52 This little protect my liver?
Otherwise I also options to a low cycle masteron 350mg a week and 150mg testo proprio per week
What would be the results?
If oral little we take the risk with liver protection for the liver and a good diet?
thank you Shadow
[/quote]

I would suggest that you do the masteron and test cycle, there’s no need to put extra stress on the liver if you have issues to begin with.

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[quote]jch4z wrote:
Thanks for all your help in this thread. My question is, how far out from a competition should you stop taking injectables? Specifically tren acetate and test prop[/quote]

It depends on how much you use throughout the whole prep and what your current condition is. If you aren’t 100% ready, I would cut the prop at 2 weeks out and the tren anywhere from 4-7 days out. If you are 100% on, you could possibly keep these injectables up til the Wednesday before the show.

If this is something you need help with before a show, you can always post some pictures and more information here and I’d be able to give you more accurate advise.