Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

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[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

Thanks in advance for all that you are doing. And the help I know you will be able to provide me with.

I am about 5’10 and 185 pounds currently. I just finished a show 5 weeks ago and am planning to compete again in about 12 weeks, November 1st. I am not natural but plan to go into this next show natural as I have done 3 cycles since this time last year (all prohormones… epi, trenavar, superdrol,dmz) I am still young so I do not want to shut down my natural production again until around December in the offseason.

I do however wish to use clenbuterol for the first time to cut for this next show. That is the topic of my post.

based on research I have done and how I feel I know my body, In my mind I thought I would run a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method starting at 10 weeks out. Working my way to my highest dose at the end of the first two weeks. But when I saw your helpfulness to other people in this thread I decided to sign up and get your input, after all this is my first time using clen and I want to do it right.

Based on the photo below, what would you recommend for a clen cycle going into this show. I also have access to Ketotifin so you may include that as well. As well, do you think I am wasting my time going into this show natural? it will be a lot of work while away at school and to make it home to get back to the show. The show I plan to compete in is the NPC Midwest Ironman, if you know of it.[/quote]

If I were your coach I’d tell you that you have decent potential but you are running into shows too fast. You need to add a lot more muscle mass and overall thickness before doing another show… You just did a show 5 weeks ago so give your body some time and pick a later show.

I wouldn’t worry about taking Clen right now or any kind of cutting but concentrate on gaining more muscle at this time. You are nice and lean right now so you’re in a perfect position to try and gain new muscle. Doing a show in 12 weeks will probably just set you back in the long run because you’ll lose these 3 months of improvement.

Everytime I step on stage, I want to be better than the last time… And if it were me in your shoes I would take the time to make improvements and come back only when you know you’ve made significant improvements. When you’re young and just beginning I think one show a year is enough, let your body have time to grow and improve… You won’t gain muscle if you’re dieting for a show.

502

Hey Shadow,
I’m looking at only being able to PCT / recover with nolva/clomid only with no HCG after a 20/21 week cycle. Would I be able to recover well with agressive clomid/nolva dosing for a longer period of time? say 6 weeks? Is there anything else that will make this smoother like a taper down into PCT?

Thanks
Jekyll

503

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

Thanks in advance for all that you are doing. And the help I know you will be able to provide me with.

I am about 5’10 and 185 pounds currently. I just finished a show 5 weeks ago and am planning to compete again in about 12 weeks, November 1st. I am not natural but plan to go into this next show natural as I have done 3 cycles since this time last year (all prohormones… epi, trenavar, superdrol,dmz) I am still young so I do not want to shut down my natural production again until around December in the offseason.

I do however wish to use clenbuterol for the first time to cut for this next show. That is the topic of my post.

based on research I have done and how I feel I know my body, In my mind I thought I would run a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method starting at 10 weeks out. Working my way to my highest dose at the end of the first two weeks. But when I saw your helpfulness to other people in this thread I decided to sign up and get your input, after all this is my first time using clen and I want to do it right.

Based on the photo below, what would you recommend for a clen cycle going into this show. I also have access to Ketotifin so you may include that as well. As well, do you think I am wasting my time going into this show natural? it will be a lot of work while away at school and to make it home to get back to the show. The show I plan to compete in is the NPC Midwest Ironman, if you know of it.[/quote]

If I were your coach I’d tell you that you have decent potential but you are running into shows too fast. You need to add a lot more muscle mass and overall thickness before doing another show… You just did a show 5 weeks ago so give your body some time and pick a later show.

I wouldn’t worry about taking Clen right now or any kind of cutting but concentrate on gaining more muscle at this time. You are nice and lean right now so you’re in a perfect position to try and gain new muscle. Doing a show in 12 weeks will probably just set you back in the long run because you’ll lose these 3 months of improvement.

Everytime I step on stage, I want to be better than the last time… And if it were me in your shoes I would take the time to make improvements and come back only when you know you’ve made significant improvements. When you’re young and just beginning I think one show a year is enough, let your body have time to grow and improve… You won’t gain muscle if you’re dieting for a show.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice shadow,

You suggest that everytime I step I stage I should want to be better than last time like you do. My concept was that I did not place how I wanted to in my last show, so I have been reverse dieting for these past 5 weeks during my pct. Along with lifting heavier, incorporating new techniques, and doing sprints, I have successful worked on my shape/lines, as was my goal. and have retained a good amount of my leaness.

my goal was to show up to this next show nailing my conditioning this time, thinking it will be easier to do having stayed really lean in between shows. I also thought that competing again would bring me more experience for two reasons: I generally love the competition atmosphere, and I want to compete in teen nationals next july. (Im 18 right now, bday is in October so i’d be 19). This next show would be my 3rd show.

I will be considering your advice in the next few days, it will be hard to accept though because I just love comepeting. I love the focus that I attained when prepping for a show. and have kept this whole time in between. But it would be nice for some suggestions on a bulking protocol, if you would be so kind, to help my decision.

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hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?

505

Shadow Pro -

Did a quick search and couldn’t find it in your advice.

Do you do anything to protect the prostate?

506

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.
[/quote]

Would you continue with the adex and nolva, when i start taking letrozol, or would you just take the letro? Ive tryed letro before, and it just killed my energy :-/[/quote]

Continue using them for the first 3-4 days when you start the letrozole then drop the Adex. Just stay on nolva and letrozole until the symptoms subside and then drop the letrozole. Unfortunately, the letro will make you feel like shit regardless but you can try the Brain Candy from the store here. I’m dieting right now and it’s a life saver for me at this point.

Make sure you stay on the nolvadex after you are finished.[/quote]

IF its from the tren, what caber dosage would you recommend?

Thanks for all your help. Its a lifesaver.

Im gonna wait for 3-4 days to see if the nolva does the job. If not im gonna go with the caber, and if it dosent help, the letro.
[/quote]

The dose you should start with is .5mg every 3rd day. [/quote]

A update from me. My nipples dont hurt as much anymore, but its still puffy.

Im gonna start the caber in a couple of days, or should i wait longer?

507

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
Hey Shadow,
I’m looking at only being able to PCT / recover with nolva/clomid only with no HCG after a 20/21 week cycle. Would I be able to recover well with agressive clomid/nolva dosing for a longer period of time? say 6 weeks? Is there anything else that will make this smoother like a taper down into PCT?

Thanks
Jekyll[/quote]

If you’re going to do this then I would stay on these for about 8 weeks. Also, throw in a sick amount of a natural test boosters like AlphaMale AND TRIBEX.

Yes, tapering the cycle down very gradually will help you a lot. Also, make sure you adjust your fats in the diet,… You should increase your fat during the pct to help your natural test levels recover. At least 100g/day and possibly more.

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[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

Thanks in advance for all that you are doing. And the help I know you will be able to provide me with.

I am about 5’10 and 185 pounds currently. I just finished a show 5 weeks ago and am planning to compete again in about 12 weeks, November 1st. I am not natural but plan to go into this next show natural as I have done 3 cycles since this time last year (all prohormones… epi, trenavar, superdrol,dmz) I am still young so I do not want to shut down my natural production again until around December in the offseason.

I do however wish to use clenbuterol for the first time to cut for this next show. That is the topic of my post.

based on research I have done and how I feel I know my body, In my mind I thought I would run a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method starting at 10 weeks out. Working my way to my highest dose at the end of the first two weeks. But when I saw your helpfulness to other people in this thread I decided to sign up and get your input, after all this is my first time using clen and I want to do it right.

Based on the photo below, what would you recommend for a clen cycle going into this show. I also have access to Ketotifin so you may include that as well. As well, do you think I am wasting my time going into this show natural? it will be a lot of work while away at school and to make it home to get back to the show. The show I plan to compete in is the NPC Midwest Ironman, if you know of it.[/quote]

If I were your coach I’d tell you that you have decent potential but you are running into shows too fast. You need to add a lot more muscle mass and overall thickness before doing another show… You just did a show 5 weeks ago so give your body some time and pick a later show.

I wouldn’t worry about taking Clen right now or any kind of cutting but concentrate on gaining more muscle at this time. You are nice and lean right now so you’re in a perfect position to try and gain new muscle. Doing a show in 12 weeks will probably just set you back in the long run because you’ll lose these 3 months of improvement.

Everytime I step on stage, I want to be better than the last time… And if it were me in your shoes I would take the time to make improvements and come back only when you know you’ve made significant improvements. When you’re young and just beginning I think one show a year is enough, let your body have time to grow and improve… You won’t gain muscle if you’re dieting for a show.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice shadow,

You suggest that everytime I step I stage I should want to be better than last time like you do. My concept was that I did not place how I wanted to in my last show, so I have been reverse dieting for these past 5 weeks during my pct. Along with lifting heavier, incorporating new techniques, and doing sprints, I have successful worked on my shape/lines, as was my goal. and have retained a good amount of my leaness.

my goal was to show up to this next show nailing my conditioning this time, thinking it will be easier to do having stayed really lean in between shows. I also thought that competing again would bring me more experience for two reasons: I generally love the competition atmosphere, and I want to compete in teen nationals next july. (Im 18 right now, bday is in October so i’d be 19). This next show would be my 3rd show.

I will be considering your advice in the next few days, it will be hard to accept though because I just love comepeting. I love the focus that I attained when prepping for a show. and have kept this whole time in between. But it would be nice for some suggestions on a bulking protocol, if you would be so kind, to help my decision.
[/quote]

Learning how to nail your condition 100% isn’t easy, it will take longer than 2 shows to figure this out especially since you are considering doing this show natural. The diet and peaking are different if you are natural or enhanced so the protocol you follow from one show to the next won’t be the same.

I really advise against running into shows without proper improvements. Condition is only one factor… Improvements can be in muscle mass, muscle maturity, condition, fullness, hardness, posing etc. Your real gains are made in the off season and if you want to be serious you need to be as focused in your off season as you are in your diet. Imagine your off season as a very long diet leading up to a show, this is where the real progress is made so you need to focus 100%

If you want help with bulking protocol, post your current diet and your cycle history so I can take a look and let me know the decision about the show

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[quote]charles_chow wrote:
hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?[/quote]

You look very good for a natural guy!

In order to help you, I need some more info.

Current diet and supplements?
Current photos?

To go to 175-185 is a big jump, you need to take it slow and put this size on over time. Also, you shouldn’t go to 18-19% bf in the off season, try to stay around 10% year round.

510

[quote]osu122975 wrote:
Shadow Pro -

Did a quick search and couldn’t find it in your advice.

Do you do anything to protect the prostate? [/quote]

I do take Saw Palmetto and Zinc which help prostate health. Nothing else in particular, but I do eat quite a bit of garlic in my food that is supposed to be good as well.

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[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow

Im 5 weeks out from a show.

Im currently running:

Test p: 100mg eod
Tren a: 100mg eod
Masteron: 100mgeod
Arimidex 1mg ed
Nolvadex 40mg ed

My question is this, im getting a little puffy and sore nipples (thats why the “high” dose of nolva)

What do i do?

Been running the nolva for about 5 days now without any result.[/quote]

Did you run nolvadex and arimidex throughout the whole cycle or did you just start it now because of the symptoms?

Also, what was the cycle before this… Did you recently switch any compounds? And are you using any caber? It might be due to progesterone issues from the tren.
[/quote]

No i startede nolvadex up when the symptons began (5-6 days ago)

My complete cycle was:

Week 16-8
Eq 750 mg
Test e 500 mg
T3 50 mg ed week 16-12

Uge 8-1
Winstrol 100 mg ed
Cutstack 2ml eod (test p 100mg,tren a 100mg, mast 100mg)
Clenbuterol 160 mcg ed
T3 50 mg ed week 5-1
Hgh= 10ui in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Igf = 50mg in the trained muscle (3xweek)
Insulin = 5ui (3xweek)

Im eating about 800mg og B6 vitamin a day to combat progesterone. But maybe its not enough?[/quote]

This is the reason the always recommend to take nolvadex during the whole cycle on order to avoid cases like this. Since you’ve only been taking it for 5-6 days, you should be seeing a bit of improvement but give it a few more days to work. If this doesn’t work then you can try letrozole and start at 2.5mg every other day, if it doesn’t improve then increase it to 2.5 everyday.

I doubt that it’s from the tren, but if this is the case then caber would help but wait until you narrow down the problem before taking everything under the sun. See what happens over the next few days and let me know.
[/quote]

Would you continue with the adex and nolva, when i start taking letrozol, or would you just take the letro? Ive tryed letro before, and it just killed my energy :-/[/quote]

Continue using them for the first 3-4 days when you start the letrozole then drop the Adex. Just stay on nolva and letrozole until the symptoms subside and then drop the letrozole. Unfortunately, the letro will make you feel like shit regardless but you can try the Brain Candy from the store here. I’m dieting right now and it’s a life saver for me at this point.

Make sure you stay on the nolvadex after you are finished.[/quote]

IF its from the tren, what caber dosage would you recommend?

Thanks for all your help. Its a lifesaver.

Im gonna wait for 3-4 days to see if the nolva does the job. If not im gonna go with the caber, and if it dosent help, the letro.
[/quote]

The dose you should start with is .5mg every 3rd day. [/quote]

A update from me. My nipples dont hurt as much anymore, but its still puffy.

Im gonna start the caber in a couple of days, or should i wait longer?
[/quote]

If you’re see improvements then wait on the caber. If it doesn’t make a lot of improvements in the next few days then use the letrozole not the caber… Give it 2-3 more days before you add letro.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

Thanks in advance for all that you are doing. And the help I know you will be able to provide me with.

I am about 5’10 and 185 pounds currently. I just finished a show 5 weeks ago and am planning to compete again in about 12 weeks, November 1st. I am not natural but plan to go into this next show natural as I have done 3 cycles since this time last year (all prohormones… epi, trenavar, superdrol,dmz) I am still young so I do not want to shut down my natural production again until around December in the offseason.

I do however wish to use clenbuterol for the first time to cut for this next show. That is the topic of my post.

based on research I have done and how I feel I know my body, In my mind I thought I would run a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method starting at 10 weeks out. Working my way to my highest dose at the end of the first two weeks. But when I saw your helpfulness to other people in this thread I decided to sign up and get your input, after all this is my first time using clen and I want to do it right.

Based on the photo below, what would you recommend for a clen cycle going into this show. I also have access to Ketotifin so you may include that as well. As well, do you think I am wasting my time going into this show natural? it will be a lot of work while away at school and to make it home to get back to the show. The show I plan to compete in is the NPC Midwest Ironman, if you know of it.[/quote]

If I were your coach I’d tell you that you have decent potential but you are running into shows too fast. You need to add a lot more muscle mass and overall thickness before doing another show… You just did a show 5 weeks ago so give your body some time and pick a later show.

I wouldn’t worry about taking Clen right now or any kind of cutting but concentrate on gaining more muscle at this time. You are nice and lean right now so you’re in a perfect position to try and gain new muscle. Doing a show in 12 weeks will probably just set you back in the long run because you’ll lose these 3 months of improvement.

Everytime I step on stage, I want to be better than the last time… And if it were me in your shoes I would take the time to make improvements and come back only when you know you’ve made significant improvements. When you’re young and just beginning I think one show a year is enough, let your body have time to grow and improve… You won’t gain muscle if you’re dieting for a show.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice shadow,

You suggest that everytime I step I stage I should want to be better than last time like you do. My concept was that I did not place how I wanted to in my last show, so I have been reverse dieting for these past 5 weeks during my pct. Along with lifting heavier, incorporating new techniques, and doing sprints, I have successful worked on my shape/lines, as was my goal. and have retained a good amount of my leaness.

my goal was to show up to this next show nailing my conditioning this time, thinking it will be easier to do having stayed really lean in between shows. I also thought that competing again would bring me more experience for two reasons: I generally love the competition atmosphere, and I want to compete in teen nationals next july. (Im 18 right now, bday is in October so i’d be 19). This next show would be my 3rd show.

I will be considering your advice in the next few days, it will be hard to accept though because I just love comepeting. I love the focus that I attained when prepping for a show. and have kept this whole time in between. But it would be nice for some suggestions on a bulking protocol, if you would be so kind, to help my decision.
[/quote]

Learning how to nail your condition 100% isn’t easy, it will take longer than 2 shows to figure this out especially since you are considering doing this show natural. The diet and peaking are different if you are natural or enhanced so the protocol you follow from one show to the next won’t be the same.

I really advise against running into shows without proper improvements. Condition is only one factor… Improvements can be in muscle mass, muscle maturity, condition, fullness, hardness, posing etc. Your real gains are made in the off season and if you want to be serious you need to be as focused in your off season as you are in your diet. Imagine your off season as a very long diet leading up to a show, this is where the real progress is made so you need to focus 100%

If you want help with bulking protocol, post your current diet and your cycle history so I can take a look and let me know the decision about the show[/quote]

I am deciding to take your advice, along with that of my brother’s, to not compete in the show. (his reasons being focused around that it will be my first semester away at college). Do not take that the wrong why by thinking I will not have the focus to continue my dedication in the offseason, I am very disciplined and am confident I can follow whatever it is you suggest for the offseason.

To give you a little background I have been lifting regularly since I was about 12. I have been dedicated solely to bodybuilding for a good 3 years now with two shows under my belt, multiple classes per show.

My first cycle was epistane (was a while ago so I’ll write what I think I remember : 30/30/40/40/40
pct nolva: 20/20/20

superdrol: 10/20/20/20
pct nolva: 20/20/20/20

dimethazine (powerdrol dmz): 30/30/45/45
pct nolva: 20/20/20/20

My most recent for this last show:
LGI Tvar (pro Tren): 30/30/45/45/45/45
Epistane: 20/40/40/40/40/40
pct nolva: 3 days 40 then 20 for 3 weeks

I feel I have recovered extremely well this pct. Right now I feel like I have more natural testosterone and lipido then I ever have on or off. It is noticeable. For all these I took either AI sports assist or vital labs protex. This last one I have been using otc post cycle 3x as well.

I reverse dieted pretty well after the show and have slowly worked my way up to my current macros. I feel very good about my metabolism and nutrient partitioning. I am staying very lean:

Meal 1: 100c, 30p, 12.5 f
2 and 3: 0c, 30 p, 12.5 f
4 (preworkout 2.5 hours): 120 c,30p, 12.5f
45 min before workout: 34c(honey) 12.5p (whey)
intra: 34c (honey) + BPI best bcca
immediately post: 40c (apple juice) 12.5p (whey)
5: 140c, 30p, 12.5
6: 0c, 30p, 12.5f

My carb sources consist mostly of brown rice and oats
protein sources are whey, chicken, tuna, and few times a week beef and pork.
fats are coming from eggs and olive oil

My diet right now is really working well for me. I have stayed consistent with the meal 1, pre, and post carb concept I followed when cutting and I find it helps me stay lean.

supplements: multi, fish oil, CoQ10, agmatine, yohimbine hcl, OTC ptc supps (Tribulus…trans reversatrol), BCAAs, whey, creatine mono, preworkout (I like prosupps mr. hyde a lot) Purus labs Slinshot (This is taken before my 3 carbs meals, I swear by it now, I feel like im on cycle almost with the level of portioning and muscle fullness)
I know you will suggest plazma, MAG-10 but I will not be able to afford those, so this supps will have to work for me, and they have been.

Right now for training I have one more week of a Fiber Damage/Saturation program. 3 week training cycle. Immediately after the show for pct I started lifting very heavy and actually got stronger. Went from a 215 bench to 250 just recently.

Although I am well researched and feel I know my body well, if you have any suggestions please help me out, I know you have a lot of experience. As for cycling, I understand if you do not want to give advice to a 19 y/0, but I would like to know what my options are. So if you could outline what you would implement as a coach that would be great. Then I could decide where I want to go from there.

Thanks a lot, I worked for a while to make this post give you as much information as possible.
And again, anything you provide is much appreciated.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:
hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?[/quote]

You look very good for a natural guy!

In order to help you, I need some more info.

Current diet and supplements?
Current photos?

To go to 175-185 is a big jump, you need to take it slow and put this size on over time. Also, you shouldn’t go to 18-19% bf in the off season, try to stay around 10% year round.
[/quote]

thx a lot Mr.shadow pro praise first^^

my diet:one day 5-6 meal,
meat:the greater part organic,hormone-free,chicken breasts,beef,sardines,Ostrich,Steak,pork,turkey,eggs,…i use butter and olive oil cooking.

tree nuts:almonds,pecans

veggies:broccoli,lettuce,cabbage,collard greens,kidney beans,mung beans…others

fruits;apples,blueberries,banana,pears

carbs:sweet potato,rice
my supplement:fish oil,zinc,coconut oil,bcaa,glutamine,vitamin C,whey protein or beef protein and few booster ,N.O.

haha,i know is a big jump,i think i should be take it slow and put this size on over time,but i need join next year 2015 HKFBF contest 65kg-70kg below,so i need Mr.shadow pro ur help my first time cycle and cut cycle to contest!!thx a lot plx^^

why i hv bf 18-19% in the off season,becaz my fitness of 3-4 years,listen to some error messages from old man predecessors ,no professional knowledge
one day eat 12bowls of rice,so sick>~<,now if today no workout,no carbs,
if hv workout,post workout can eat 1blows of carbs(rice).lol
In 2 months ago,i got a friend’s help, new understanding diet and workout program,is him give i this web site,let me find you mr.shadow pro help i ^^,be safe ,low dose cycle,can keep long time lol,haahaa!!

P.S.:next week i will 14days detox-cleanse program

my new info
63KG BF9.5% (Checks Inaccurate

P.S.:my right leg is hurt before,so smaller than left leg.
my legs and my back is Weakness /_\

514

First, Shadow Pro, thank you for all the information you have been providing. I have been following your threads for a while now and have recently got on my first cycle. All of your input has been very valuable.

I am posting for the first time, because I have an issue that just popped up. I am currently 3 weeks into my first cycle and things are going well. I am just taking 500 mg of Test-E (250mg 2x week).

However, I just found out that in about a month I will have to go through a period of about 7-10 days without pinning (worst case is up to 14 days). I can’t get into the details as of why, but it just wont be possible. I am just starting to see significant gains and want to continue on my cycle after this period.

What should I do?
Is this too long of a period between pins?
What would be the longest period you would recommend going withought pinning Test-E?
Will I start to see negative effects/gyno/etc during this time?

If you recomend getting off the cycle (I really don’t want to do this) how should I do my PCT, and how long should I take off before I get back on the cycle?

Sorry for the long message, but I value your opinion and I really need some guidance on this issue. Thanks.

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Hey Shadow Pro!!!
First of all thanks for your contribution here. finally we found the voice of truth and honesty.
I had before like ton of questions but you almost replied all of them in your previous answers.
I attached my pics and here my status:
Age:35
History: lifting many years ago. obsessed with power and strength.
muscle once per week.
low sets DORIAN STYLE.
Reps: No more than 4 reps ever :slight_smile:
Basic compound lifts mainly.
Diet:2 to 3 LBS of Meat Along with Salad and fruits divided on few meals daily.
250 Mg Enanthate every other day. some times i add 100 Mg Anapolon if i have some.
My questions Are:

1-Clen dose as being stimulant only, not for fat loss?
2-Aspirin before workout benefits?
3-benefits of Potassium and Taurineâ?? with Insulin?
4-the fastest natural/normal sugar source to combat Hypoglycemia?
5-Test Enanthate every Third day will maintain stable levels in blood , or every other day is a better practice?
6-Mataformin doses to enhance insulin sensitivity?
7-what would be Aromasin dose with 250 Mg Test Every other day?

THANK YOU SO MUCH

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shadow,VIC just won in tampa and bonac was second,hide took the 212.
i think victor was goood,not great but it was his best showing after the arnold europe that he won in spain.bonac looks fantastic by himself but looks short/small next to others,great physique anyway,moe in third seems like a joke

in 212 ive seen hide looking much better,his arms looks smaller,his waist bigger and i washnt impressed with his condition …i really liked thomas benagli,have him first or second actually,but iam not a judge! whats your opinion about the results and the guys?

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Sorry, forget to add that my weight is 270 LBs and my high is 6"6
This is an additional back shot.

518

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]TheSpiderman wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro,

Thanks in advance for all that you are doing. And the help I know you will be able to provide me with.

I am about 5’10 and 185 pounds currently. I just finished a show 5 weeks ago and am planning to compete again in about 12 weeks, November 1st. I am not natural but plan to go into this next show natural as I have done 3 cycles since this time last year (all prohormones… epi, trenavar, superdrol,dmz) I am still young so I do not want to shut down my natural production again until around December in the offseason.

I do however wish to use clenbuterol for the first time to cut for this next show. That is the topic of my post.

based on research I have done and how I feel I know my body, In my mind I thought I would run a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method starting at 10 weeks out. Working my way to my highest dose at the end of the first two weeks. But when I saw your helpfulness to other people in this thread I decided to sign up and get your input, after all this is my first time using clen and I want to do it right.

Based on the photo below, what would you recommend for a clen cycle going into this show. I also have access to Ketotifin so you may include that as well. As well, do you think I am wasting my time going into this show natural? it will be a lot of work while away at school and to make it home to get back to the show. The show I plan to compete in is the NPC Midwest Ironman, if you know of it.[/quote]

If I were your coach I’d tell you that you have decent potential but you are running into shows too fast. You need to add a lot more muscle mass and overall thickness before doing another show… You just did a show 5 weeks ago so give your body some time and pick a later show.

I wouldn’t worry about taking Clen right now or any kind of cutting but concentrate on gaining more muscle at this time. You are nice and lean right now so you’re in a perfect position to try and gain new muscle. Doing a show in 12 weeks will probably just set you back in the long run because you’ll lose these 3 months of improvement.

Everytime I step on stage, I want to be better than the last time… And if it were me in your shoes I would take the time to make improvements and come back only when you know you’ve made significant improvements. When you’re young and just beginning I think one show a year is enough, let your body have time to grow and improve… You won’t gain muscle if you’re dieting for a show.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice shadow,

You suggest that everytime I step I stage I should want to be better than last time like you do. My concept was that I did not place how I wanted to in my last show, so I have been reverse dieting for these past 5 weeks during my pct. Along with lifting heavier, incorporating new techniques, and doing sprints, I have successful worked on my shape/lines, as was my goal. and have retained a good amount of my leaness.

my goal was to show up to this next show nailing my conditioning this time, thinking it will be easier to do having stayed really lean in between shows. I also thought that competing again would bring me more experience for two reasons: I generally love the competition atmosphere, and I want to compete in teen nationals next july. (Im 18 right now, bday is in October so i’d be 19). This next show would be my 3rd show.

I will be considering your advice in the next few days, it will be hard to accept though because I just love comepeting. I love the focus that I attained when prepping for a show. and have kept this whole time in between. But it would be nice for some suggestions on a bulking protocol, if you would be so kind, to help my decision.
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Learning how to nail your condition 100% isn’t easy, it will take longer than 2 shows to figure this out especially since you are considering doing this show natural. The diet and peaking are different if you are natural or enhanced so the protocol you follow from one show to the next won’t be the same.

I really advise against running into shows without proper improvements. Condition is only one factor… Improvements can be in muscle mass, muscle maturity, condition, fullness, hardness, posing etc. Your real gains are made in the off season and if you want to be serious you need to be as focused in your off season as you are in your diet. Imagine your off season as a very long diet leading up to a show, this is where the real progress is made so you need to focus 100%

If you want help with bulking protocol, post your current diet and your cycle history so I can take a look and let me know the decision about the show[/quote]

I am deciding to take your advice, along with that of my brother’s, to not compete in the show. (his reasons being focused around that it will be my first semester away at college). Do not take that the wrong why by thinking I will not have the focus to continue my dedication in the offseason, I am very disciplined and am confident I can follow whatever it is you suggest for the offseason.

To give you a little background I have been lifting regularly since I was about 12. I have been dedicated solely to bodybuilding for a good 3 years now with two shows under my belt, multiple classes per show.

My first cycle was epistane (was a while ago so I’ll write what I think I remember : 30/30/40/40/40
pct nolva: 20/20/20

superdrol: 10/20/20/20
pct nolva: 20/20/20/20

dimethazine (powerdrol dmz): 30/30/45/45
pct nolva: 20/20/20/20

My most recent for this last show:
LGI Tvar (pro Tren): 30/30/45/45/45/45
Epistane: 20/40/40/40/40/40
pct nolva: 3 days 40 then 20 for 3 weeks

I feel I have recovered extremely well this pct. Right now I feel like I have more natural testosterone and lipido then I ever have on or off. It is noticeable. For all these I took either AI sports assist or vital labs protex. This last one I have been using otc post cycle 3x as well.

I reverse dieted pretty well after the show and have slowly worked my way up to my current macros. I feel very good about my metabolism and nutrient partitioning. I am staying very lean:

Meal 1: 100c, 30p, 12.5 f
2 and 3: 0c, 30 p, 12.5 f
4 (preworkout 2.5 hours): 120 c,30p, 12.5f
45 min before workout: 34c(honey) 12.5p (whey)
intra: 34c (honey) + BPI best bcca
immediately post: 40c (apple juice) 12.5p (whey)
5: 140c, 30p, 12.5
6: 0c, 30p, 12.5f

My carb sources consist mostly of brown rice and oats
protein sources are whey, chicken, tuna, and few times a week beef and pork.
fats are coming from eggs and olive oil

My diet right now is really working well for me. I have stayed consistent with the meal 1, pre, and post carb concept I followed when cutting and I find it helps me stay lean.

supplements: multi, fish oil, CoQ10, agmatine, yohimbine hcl, OTC ptc supps (Tribulus…trans reversatrol), BCAAs, whey, creatine mono, preworkout (I like prosupps mr. hyde a lot) Purus labs Slinshot (This is taken before my 3 carbs meals, I swear by it now, I feel like im on cycle almost with the level of portioning and muscle fullness)
I know you will suggest plazma, MAG-10 but I will not be able to afford those, so this supps will have to work for me, and they have been.

Right now for training I have one more week of a Fiber Damage/Saturation program. 3 week training cycle. Immediately after the show for pct I started lifting very heavy and actually got stronger. Went from a 215 bench to 250 just recently.

Although I am well researched and feel I know my body well, if you have any suggestions please help me out, I know you have a lot of experience. As for cycling, I understand if you do not want to give advice to a 19 y/0, but I would like to know what my options are. So if you could outline what you would implement as a coach that would be great. Then I could decide where I want to go from there.

Thanks a lot, I worked for a while to make this post give you as much information as possible.
And again, anything you provide is much appreciated.
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Ok, so you can afford all of these other supplements but not MAG-10 or Plazma? These two alone would give you more benefit than anything else you’re using, this would be on a priority list.

Drinking honey and whey during the workout or before the workout isn’t efficient, you will not see substantial benefits from doing this.

You say that you think this protocol is working for you… Of course it is working to an extent, you have potential but you need to look at the other top guys at your age in your level and strive to be at this level. You’re 18 and already have used 3 prohormone cycles which is a lot for your age, you could have achieved much more in these cycles if the appropriate diet was taken into consideration.

What do you mean that you feel your natural libido and testosterone are high? You’re 18 so it better be! Have you done any blood tests since the show?

As for the diet…

  • too many carbs in meal 1
  • too many carbs in meal 4
  • not enough carbs intra workout and not the right kind
  • not enough protein in general. especially pre, intra and post.
    -carb sources are limited, you can have more variety

Instead of taking slinshot, try indigo in its place…This is something you can swear by.

You’re right about 1 thing, I wouldn’t give cycle advise to a 18-19 year old. You don’t have enough experience yet with nailing your diet and training which clear by seeing your photos and information. You’re doing yourself a huge disservice by using these prohormones and they can be dangerous. I think you can do a lot of great thing naturally and then start a cycle later on.

The best advice I can give is you is to stay natural (away from prohormones) fix your diet and training to maximize your natural potential. Save the money and the health risks.

I don’t want to sound mean or rude but I’m assuming you want to take bodybuilding seriously according to your words. If this is the case you need to look at the other guys your age, they aren’t winning because of drugs but it’s a combination of diet, training and supplements. If you make some adjustments right now you’ll be on the right track and it’s a great age to start but you need to be smart so you have longevity in the sport and get the results you want.

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Shadow Pro, thank you for all the help and information you have shared on here. I have been reading through the forums here for the last 8 months trying to learn as much as I can before I start my first cycle and I am getting close to starting one but wanted to run it by you before I start it. Sorry for posting another “first cycle” but I want to make sure I have it checked out before I start.

Background information: I am 26, was a collegiate athlete through college (swimmer) and have been lifting for the last 8. I recently signed on with a coach since my results haven’t been where they need to be. He tweaked my diet and cut me down to 175lbs and measured me at 7% body fat (I am 6’). After cutting down now it is time to start adding on mass. Even with proper diet my body is very slow to put on mass which is why I am here now after lots of research I am ready to take the step.

Here is what I came up with for a first cycle:

W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/d (wasn’t 100% sure if I would need a kick start or not for a first cycle)
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD
W 3-10 HCG 250iu 3x/w

PCT
W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d and Clomid 50mg 2x/d
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d and Clomid 25mg/d

Thank you so much for your time and help, I really appreciate it.

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[quote]charles_chow wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charles_chow wrote:
hi mr.shadow pro
im from chinese hongkong guys,i hv question,how to employ steroids(Anabolic steroids),why i need employ steroids becaz i want to participate Arnold classic contest,maybe i will prepare 3-5years ,so i need ur professional suggest i first time cycle!!thx so much plx^^

this is my info
height:1.65CM
off season Weight:157-158lbs
body fat:18-19%

This photo example is on 3 august 2014,i participate Hong kong bodybuilding contest
on season lean mass muscle:123-124lbs ,weight:130lbs, body fat:7-8%
now my body weight is 141-142lbs

low dose cycle can make me i want gain 175-185lbs weight mass?
and need what diet?[/quote]

You look very good for a natural guy!

In order to help you, I need some more info.

Current diet and supplements?
Current photos?

To go to 175-185 is a big jump, you need to take it slow and put this size on over time. Also, you shouldn’t go to 18-19% bf in the off season, try to stay around 10% year round.
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thx a lot Mr.shadow pro praise first^^

my diet:one day 5-6 meal,
meat:the greater part organic,hormone-free,chicken breasts,beef,sardines,Ostrich,Steak,pork,turkey,eggs,…i use butter and olive oil cooking.

tree nuts:almonds,pecans

veggies:broccoli,lettuce,cabbage,collard greens,kidney beans,mung beans…others

fruits;apples,blueberries,banana,pears

carbs:sweet potato,rice
my supplement:fish oil,zinc,coconut oil,bcaa,glutamine,vitamin C,whey protein or beef protein and few booster ,N.O.

haha,i know is a big jump,i think i should be take it slow and put this size on over time,but i need join next year 2015 HKFBF contest 65kg-70kg below,so i need Mr.shadow pro ur help my first time cycle and cut cycle to contest!!thx a lot plx^^

why i hv bf 18-19% in the off season,becaz my fitness of 3-4 years,listen to some error messages from old man predecessors ,no professional knowledge
one day eat 12bowls of rice,so sick>~<,now if today no workout,no carbs,
if hv workout,post workout can eat 1blows of carbs(rice).lol
In 2 months ago,i got a friend’s help, new understanding diet and workout program,is him give i this web site,let me find you mr.shadow pro help i ^^,be safe ,low dose cycle,can keep long time lol,haahaa!!

P.S.:next week i will 14days detox-cleanse program

my new info
63KG BF9.5% (Checks Inaccurate

P.S.:my right leg is hurt before,so smaller than left leg.
my legs and my back is Weakness /_[/quote]

Do you know your exact macros? You have me a list of foods but no amounts?
The food choices look good but you need to know how much you’re eating of each.

A place to start would be 1.5 grams per pound of protein and carbs. Keep fat at 50-60grams each day. If you’re cooking in oil, you need to make sure you’re measuring this as part of your daily fat intake. Do not use butter, try olive oil or coconut oil.

First thing you need to figure out is your supplements before even considering a cycle. At least 100-150g of Plazma intraworkout with 5-10g of Leucine. Start day with one serving of MAG-10 and again 30min post workout. Try Micro-Pa before jumping into a cycle, this alone will give you a big improvement in body composition, muscle mass and strength. 6 capsules 60min pre workout.

Here’s an optional cycle, but is recommend you try the supplement protocol before going this route. Give it at least 6 weeks and then post new pictures.

12 week cycle
test-e @500mg/week
Mast-e @400mg/week
Nolva @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2 x/week