[quote]Neo1980 wrote:
Iv been using this for getting as much mass as possible!
10-12weeks
4 weeks test enanthate 5ml a week next 4 weeks 2,5ml
4 weeks tren enanthate 2ml a week next 6 weeks 4ml
4 weeks 0 next 4 weeks 30mg/a day Dianabol next 4 weeks 50mg a day
Nolvadex and clomi at the end of the cycle
Is this optimal whats your toughts Shadow?
Im now 168cm and 88-90kg in the morning trying to ad weight for bodybuilding contest. [/quote]
This is far from optimal… Post a picture and your diet so I can have an idea who I’m dealing with.
Give me the dosages for the oils… 5ml/week could mean anything…
Not planning on using HCG?
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I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?
Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]
It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.
Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
[quote]yona34 wrote:
Hello there,
sorry I only speak French and I use translation tools, my question is little we start with a cure turinabol liver values â??â??a little high? course in prennant hepatic protection[/quote]
If you have issues with your liver, why bother with orals? Just use test and maybe another injectable. If you have health issues that are going to be aggravated by steroid use, you may want to reconsider taking anything.
From what I gather from your previous posts, you are very interested in turinabol and set on using it… It’s not that great and you have many other options to choose from, health comes before anything.
[quote]Neo1980 wrote:
Iv been using this for getting as much mass as possible!
10-12weeks
4 weeks test enanthate 500mg/ml a week next 4 weeks 250mg/ml
4 weeks tren enanthate 200mg/ml a week next 6 weeks 400mg/ml
4 weeks 0 next 4 weeks 30mg/a day Dianabol next 4 weeks 50mg a day
Nolvadex and clomi at the end of the cycle
Is this optimal whats your toughts Shadow?
Im now 168cm and 88-90kg in the morning trying to ad weight for bodybuilding contest. [/quote]
This is far from optimal… Post a picture and your diet so I can have an idea who I’m dealing with.
Give me the dosages for the oils… 5ml/week could mean anything…
Not planning on using HCG?
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Fixed the dosage. Picture coming soon!
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Keep the test at 500 for the whole 10-12 weeks and keep the tren at 400… You want to keep it stable throughout the whole cycle and tren at 200mg/week won’t give you shit.
Start your cycle with the dbol, the oral will kickstart the cycle
First 4 weeks @30 next 4 weeks @50 then off
Run nolva and HCG through the cycle and use clomid and HCG for the pct.
Btw- your bodyfat is looking very high in these pictures, so I dont think dbol is your best choice.
8-9 AM Oatmeal dry 100g, Whey isolate 50g, creatine 5-10g, Lecithine 10g, omega 3 2caps, Krilloil 1 caps, one banana
11-12 AM EEA 15g+ Leucine 5-10g
13 PM You dont have it there but something like sour yogurth 250g (30g protein) and whey isolate 15g+ 5 ricecakes
16 PM 150g rice (dry) and 100g (raw) beef, chicken or fish, 15g olive oil and 1/2 massgainer combine about 1200kcal
18.30 PM EEA 15g+ preworkout supplement and creatine 5-10g+glutamine 5-10g and 5g seasalt
19-20.30 PM workout intra malto 60g, EEA 15g+ salt
20.30-21 PM Shake 40g malto+40g whey, creatine
23-00.00 PM 300g (raw) beef, chicken or fish, 100g rice (dry) veggies and massgainer 2/2 [/quote]
To be honest, I think your bodyfat is too high right now to start a gaining cycle. I would recommend to concentrate lowering your bodyfat but adjusting your diet and supplementation before starting.
I think the the bodyfat issues are stemming from your diet, there are a lot of things you could change here. Start by throwing out the maltodextrin and replace it with Plazma intraworkout. Take the yogurt out and replace with a solid meal. Adjust carb timing… The Plazma is a good start.
Thank you for you answer! Language barrier is here so i always say the right things but you understand what i meant. In the morning my abs are showing but when i eat my belly tend to get big and the fat i have is all in the midsection of my body!
Waiting for my wife to get home to post up some pics bro. What are your thoughts on precontest last 6 weeks running zero test only suspension preworkout?
[quote]Monty604 wrote:
Waiting for my wife to get home to post up some pics bro. What are your thoughts on precontest last 6 weeks running zero test only suspension preworkout?[/quote]
Lol, your wife hasn’t been home in days… I’d be getting worried!
Where did you get this idea? I most certainly wouldn’t be trying this anytime soon… You mean for a bodybuilding show? No, no and no.
Waiting for the pics and I’ll be able to help you further.
[quote]Monty604 wrote:
Waiting for my wife to get home to post up some pics bro. What are your thoughts on precontest last 6 weeks running zero test only suspension preworkout?[/quote]
Lol, your wife hasn’t been home in days… I’d be getting worried!
Where did you get this idea? I most certainly wouldn’t be trying this anytime soon… You mean for a bodybuilding show? No, no and no.
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Someone prepping my friend mentioned this to him. He’s a good coach always brings people in ultra conditioned. He’s also won overalls for heavyweight for my province. Anyways my wife is in Croatia at the moment bro. She will be back Thursday evening. Thanks for your patience.
Waiting for the pics and I’ll be able to help you further
I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?
Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.[/quote]
It’s not so much about what compounds you take but more your training and diet after you stop the cycle. Meaning… The more anal you’ll be about keeping your training(probably lower volume but same intensity) and diet perfect then you can keep about 80%of what you gained. Make sure you’re taking good quality supplements after the cycle, even basic things like Creatine and test boosters will help you maintain the gains.
Something like test and dbol if you don’t mind water retention, or test and winstol if you do, either will give you nice strength and mass gains if you’re looking for something very basic.
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Ok. If I want to go beyond basic, I can also add HGH and insulin aswell? Will this be gains I can keep 80% of when I go off?
How would you recomend using HGH? is subq the best spot to shot it?
What do you think about IGF-1 Lr3 and MGF for keeping the gains after you stop using? Whats dosages does people take when using these compounds?
Is it best to shot IGF into the muscles you want to improve, or does it not matter since IGF-1 Lr3 is long acting and will work systemic anyways?
hey Shadow, how long do you advise your clients to stay off between their cycles?
I ask because I used to stick quite religiously to the time on + PCT = time off rule, but I find myself struggling to keep to that rule, and the time off between cycles has dropped down to as little as 8 weeks sometimes (My cycles tend to be 10 weeks with a 4 week taper and 5 week PCT).
I’m still adamant I don’t want to start blasting and cruising. I won’t do so until after I’ve had children (I realise the fertility concerns are overblown but I just don’t think I could live with myself if I had to tell my girl we can’t have kids because I wanted another couple of inches on my thighs), so I’m just wondering what, in your opinion, would the harm be from such an approach?
For what it’s worth my PCTs are always a breeze with no loss of libido and like 90% of the gains are kept post cycle. A typical cycle would be 1g test or so, maybe a little EQ and some dbol or var thrown in here and there.
[quote]Monty604 wrote:
Waiting for my wife to get home to post up some pics bro. What are your thoughts on precontest last 6 weeks running zero test only suspension preworkout?[/quote]
Lol, your wife hasn’t been home in days… I’d be getting worried!
Where did you get this idea? I most certainly wouldn’t be trying this anytime soon… You mean for a bodybuilding show? No, no and no.
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Someone prepping my friend mentioned this to him. He’s a good coach always brings people in ultra conditioned. He’s also won overalls for heavyweight for my province. Anyways my wife is in Croatia at the moment bro. She will be back Thursday evening. Thanks for your patience.
Waiting for the pics and I’ll be able to help you further
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Bringing people in condition is a matter of opinion… But everyone is a coach these days! Winning a local competition is one thing but it doesn’t make you an expert. Just be safe and do your research!
If someone gave me advice like this I’d be running. Ask him what his logic is? If you do this, you’ll come into the show looking flat as hell (assuming you’re cutting all other test out at the 6 week mark). This could be good for a state or provincial level, depending who shows up but if you want to take it to a higher level you’ll need to come in conditioned and full.
