-54 yr old male 6’2" 245lbs
-Trt for 6 yrs 100 mg test e/wk, 250 hcg, .25 mg adex all split to eod
-Training for 12 yrs heavy compound with hypertrophy work after. Sets/reps changed every few weeks. Train 4 times/ week.
-Nutrition at 320 g protein, 140 g fat, 400 g carbs(most pre and post workout none intra) around 5000 cal/day over 6 meals.
Looking at a first cycle of test e(wish I had used prop instead) gonna stick with the hcg and likely switch to nolvadex starting at 10mg/wk. I’m debating about another compound as well but confused as to witch one, if any. Looking for size and strength. Thinking of win sterol, Tbol, dbol, or masteron p.
Looking for some guidance. Your threads have been most informative but has me a little confused too. As everyone does I’m sure, I appreciate your help.
I should have added to my post above that I would use 500 g of the test e. I was an over responder on the adex. So .25 would be more like in a week. I would love to try hgh but I can’t afford it at this time. Thanks again
Hello Shadow Pro
I’m ready to start the cure Turinabol but my blood gives no great results for the liver (41 asat, alat 45) therefore is limited, then I take the product and at what dosage? what are the values â??â??of the liver where it really says to say stop? I said that I’ve never done cure
Thank you for your answer
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What are your thoughts on Primobolan acetate tabs for topical application using DMSO, for supposed local fat burning effect?
Hi shadow
thanks for putting up this thread and taking the time to answer so many questions…
my question is about hcg. I have the gear for a mild cycle of test/deca but could not get hcg. Ive had packages seized st customs before so I wont use Internet based suppliers anymore.
in a nutshell… is there anything I can do or ad to this cycle to make up for the lack of hcg?
W 1-15 test E 500mg
w1-12 deca 250 mg
pct of clomid/nolvadex/daa
Iv been using this for getting as much mass as possible!
10-12weeks
4 weeks test enanthate 5ml a week next 4 weeks 2,5ml
4 weeks tren enanthate 2ml a week next 6 weeks 4ml
4 weeks 0 next 4 weeks 30mg/a day Dianabol next 4 weeks 50mg a day
Nolvadex and clomi at the end of the cycle
Is this optimal whats your toughts Shadow?
Im now 168cm and 88-90kg in the morning trying to ad weight for bodybuilding contest.
Hey Shadow, I’ve been reading on this site for years but never posted before. I’ve read through all the Q&A posts and I’ve either missed this topic or I’ve read so much it’s all starting to blend together. I’m 44 years old and trained naturally since I was 14. I’ve had trouble with my sex drive for about the last year and a half and at the urging of a few of my lifting buddies I started taking test C about 5 months ago at 500mg a week.
Figured I might as well get some muscle gains out of it which is why I’m at the 500mg instead of a regular TRT dose. I’ve responded very well to the test as you can imagine and have come to really like the way I feel on it, so much so that I really don’t want to cycle off of it! Anyways my question is this, if I don’t plan on having anymore kids and I don’t plan on coming off the test do I really need to take hcg?
Many of my friends have been on for years and they don’t take hcg and only take the nolva if they get a flare up. I have had no side effects from the 500mg’s except very slight ball shrinkage which doesn’t bother me or the wife! Also, since I’ve been on 500mg for 20 weeks do you think it’s a good idea to drop it down to 250mg a week and just cruise for a few months then go back up to 500mg over the winter?
To be honest I really don’t plan on going over 500mg, and about the only thing I might add later on is 6weeks of Winstrol before next summer. Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide!
Can we know, at least, if you’re supposed to be in the top 10 of this year Mr. Olympia?
Can you tell us what are you using for this particular prep? regarding to drugs/supplements and amounts?
I wish you all the luck in this year Mr. Olympia. For all the help and knowledge that you’re sharing with us, you deserve to done well!
[quote]bb1960 wrote:
-54 yr old male 6’2" 245lbs
-Trt for 6 yrs 100 mg test e/wk, 250 hcg, .25 mg adex all split to eod
-Training for 12 yrs heavy compound with hypertrophy work after. Sets/reps changed every few weeks. Train 4 times/ week.
-Nutrition at 320 g protein, 140 g fat, 400 g carbs(most pre and post workout none intra) around 5000 cal/day over 6 meals.
Looking at a first cycle of test e(wish I had used prop instead) gonna stick with the hcg and likely switch to nolvadex starting at 10mg/wk. I’m debating about another compound as well but confused as to witch one, if any. Looking for size and strength. Thinking of win sterol, Tbol, dbol, or masteron p.
Looking for some guidance. Your threads have been most informative but has me a little confused too. As everyone does I’m sure, I appreciate your help.
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Before thinking about starting a cycle you need to adjust your diet. By looking at your pictures and your macros, your fat consumption is way too high and I would cut this in half at least. Try to get your bodyfat percentage down before starting.
Also, if you’re eating as much as 400g of carbs a day you need to be having 150g of those (or more ) intraworkout. The timing of these is very important.
As for the second compound… For size and strength dbol would be a great option but this would include water retention, and at your current bodyfat it would make you appear fatter so it’s probably not a look you’d desire. Tbol is similar but less water retention (and less strength). Winstrol is great for size and strength but can cause joint sensitivity. Masteron will only help with body composition purposes. I’ll leave the choice up to you… Any of them will work but it comes down to what your goals are.
[quote]yona34 wrote:
Hello Shadow Pro
I’m ready to start the cure Turinabol but my blood gives no great results for the liver (41 asat, alat 45) therefore is limited, then I take the product and at what dosage? what are the values â??â??of the liver where it really says to say stop? I said that I’ve never done cure
Thank you for your answer[/quote]
I understand that English is your second language but your questions are very hard to comprehend. I would like to help you further but I need to know what exactly you want.
Maybe someone can translate for you? I am under the impression you are trying to ask me questions based on your specific goals but I need more information and clear questions in order to help you.
What is your first language? Maybe someone here can help.
[quote]GGed wrote:
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What are your thoughts on Primobolan acetate tabs for topical application using DMSO, for supposed local fat burning effect?[/quote]
[quote]mdub335 wrote:
Hi shadow
thanks for putting up this thread and taking the time to answer so many questions…
my question is about hcg. I have the gear for a mild cycle of test/deca but could not get hcg. Ive had packages seized st customs before so I wont use Internet based suppliers anymore.
in a nutshell… is there anything I can do or ad to this cycle to make up for the lack of hcg?
W 1-15 test E 500mg
w1-12 deca 250 mg
pct of clomid/nolvadex/daa[/quote]
It’s not going to be ideal and you will take a risk of shutting dine without using HCG. If this is your only option and you decide to do a cycle anyways here’s what I would do…
Use a natural test booster throughout the whole cycle in sick amounts, maybe twice the recommended dose (AlphaMale and TRIBEX)
Run nolvadex @ 10-20mg throughout the cycle
Use clomid for a longer time post cycle, 6 weeks as opposed to 4
try to get HCG from a doctor! An HRT clinic would be good or tell your family doctor you want to get your wife pregnant…
[quote]Neo1980 wrote:
Iv been using this for getting as much mass as possible!
10-12weeks
4 weeks test enanthate 5ml a week next 4 weeks 2,5ml
4 weeks tren enanthate 2ml a week next 6 weeks 4ml
4 weeks 0 next 4 weeks 30mg/a day Dianabol next 4 weeks 50mg a day
Nolvadex and clomi at the end of the cycle
Is this optimal whats your toughts Shadow?
Im now 168cm and 88-90kg in the morning trying to ad weight for bodybuilding contest. [/quote]
This is far from optimal… Post a picture and your diet so I can have an idea who I’m dealing with.
Give me the dosages for the oils… 5ml/week could mean anything…
Not planning on using HCG?
[quote]maurij1 wrote:
Hey Shadow, I’ve been reading on this site for years but never posted before. I’ve read through all the Q&A posts and I’ve either missed this topic or I’ve read so much it’s all starting to blend together. I’m 44 years old and trained naturally since I was 14. I’ve had trouble with my sex drive for about the last year and a half and at the urging of a few of my lifting buddies I started taking test C about 5 months ago at 500mg a week.
Figured I might as well get some muscle gains out of it which is why I’m at the 500mg instead of a regular TRT dose. I’ve responded very well to the test as you can imagine and have come to really like the way I feel on it, so much so that I really don’t want to cycle off of it! Anyways my question is this, if I don’t plan on having anymore kids and I don’t plan on coming off the test do I really need to take hcg?
Many of my friends have been on for years and they don’t take hcg and only take the nolva if they get a flare up. I have had no side effects from the 500mg’s except very slight ball shrinkage which doesn’t bother me or the wife! Also, since I’ve been on 500mg for 20 weeks do you think it’s a good idea to drop it down to 250mg a week and just cruise for a few months then go back up to 500mg over the winter?
To be honest I really don’t plan on going over 500mg, and about the only thing I might add later on is 6weeks of Winstrol before next summer. Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide![/quote]
If you’re not planning on having anymore kids and the ball shrinkage doesn’t bother you then there’s no need to take HCG, just keep the nolvadex on hand like you mentioned.
Just stay on 500 for the whole time if you don’t plan on coming off. If you add the winstrol in the summer it would be enough to give you a good jump in gains, no need to lower the test at this time. Just don’t stay on winstrol for more than 6-8 weeks.
Can we know, at least, if you’re supposed to be in the top 10 of this year Mr. Olympia?
Can you tell us what are you using for this particular prep? regarding to drugs/supplements and amounts?
I wish you all the luck in this year Mr. Olympia. For all the help and knowledge that you’re sharing with us, you deserve to done well!
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Top 10? I would think that anyone doing the show would be hoping for a top 10 placing!
Very basic cycle at the moment… Tren, masteron, prop, anadrol, GH, insulin, … Dosages and compounds are changing as I progress. No magical “pro” cycles, just the basics like everyone else.
As for supplements, I just posted a list of what I’m using on the last page.
I have a question for you.
If you where to recomend a cycle for me to gain as much as possible permanent strength and muscle, wich you dont lose to much of afterwards when you go back to “natural”, what would you recomend?
Thanks for any information, and let me know if you need any information about me to help me with the cycle.
Hello there,
sorry I only speak French and I use translation tools, my question is little we start with a cure turinabol liver values â??â??a little high? course in prennant hepatic protection
I think yona is trying to say that he wants to start a cycle of turinabol but his liver enzyme values are a little high, so what should he consider for liver protection.
[quote]Neo1980 wrote:
Iv been using this for getting as much mass as possible!
10-12weeks
4 weeks test enanthate 500mg/ml a week next 4 weeks 250mg/ml
4 weeks tren enanthate 200mg/ml a week next 6 weeks 400mg/ml
4 weeks 0 next 4 weeks 30mg/a day Dianabol next 4 weeks 50mg a day
Nolvadex and clomi at the end of the cycle
Is this optimal whats your toughts Shadow?
Im now 168cm and 88-90kg in the morning trying to ad weight for bodybuilding contest. [/quote]
This is far from optimal… Post a picture and your diet so I can have an idea who I’m dealing with.
Give me the dosages for the oils… 5ml/week could mean anything…
Not planning on using HCG?
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