[quote]michell wrote:
Shadow,
Does indigo play any role taking it in the periwrkout using your insuline-plazma protocol?[/quote]
Yes, for sure! I use it 30min prior to my workout and 20 min before the insulin. It helps your body absorb the carbs even better and allows the insulin to work more aggressively.
[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
Thanks Shadow, I needed this one 
Keeping a clean diet, with one or two cheat meals a week.
My goal is to gain clean weight, so on resting days should I cut my carbs in half? I’m already replacing my intra workout for a low carb whey pudding. I have 3 high carb meals, 3 low carb and one without carbs before bed.
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Post your diet and I can give you better advise, you might only have to cut your intraworkout carbs and add a protein meal but I need to see your diet and a picture to decide.
[quote]BusterTanner100 wrote:
Ok mate will do, thanks!
What would be your dosing for indigo? I think 6 per day is the norm, but what have you had best results with? Not saying I’m going to do it ha ha just curious
Ok Shadow il follow that PCT and 8 weeks off sounds great.
thanks very much again mate. You’ve been a great help[/quote]
You’re welcome.
I do between 6 and 9 capsules of indigo. I have went as high as 6 capsules 2x/day in my offseason, I wouldn’t recommend it for most people because 6 is usually sufficient in most cases. Taking into consideration that I eat A LOT of food and take insulin.
[quote]Genk250 wrote:
Shawdow pro
here is a differnt question for ya. Need some eeal world advise.
ok it is almost Aug 2014. Im far into my offseason swing of things. Im currently sitting at a pretty lean and conditioned 265lbs. As you might know from previous post. My goal is to compete in Master Nationals or Master North Americans and make top 5 in 2015. But with the new rules of the NPC I have to re qualify even as a master competor.
Now since I havnt done a show this year, I have to do a national qualifier show and either place top 2 in master class or top 3 in a open class. That qualify show im not worried about. What im worried about is cost in competing in a national qualify show, then doing the main show Master Nationals or North Americans. My money is tight cause I have a family, and bills. My family is supportive, and my two girls and my wife always goes to my shows.
So it is expensive to compete, but I wouldnt have it any other way. My family is my life. But I still have this goal of making a top 5 in one national level show. I have pretty much decided if I dont make it next year. I wont be doing anymore national level shows cause of cost and wanting to have more quality time with my family. I will just compete in local and NQ shows around the midwest for fun, every couple years.
So my question is this. Master Nats is in July 3rd week. My state show, is in first week of April. Its a cheap show to do, and is only an hour away, it doesnt break me. But there is a time span of about 14-15 week apart. Or do you think, it would be wise to switch gears, and get into prep mode and do a show in November. There is a NQ one that is an hour away from my home. I would be stopping the good gains im getting now, but would give me more time to prep for Master Nationals next year (2015).
So it would be either 14-15 weeks difference or 7 1/2 month difference. My other thought was just to wait until the NPC schedule comes out in Dec/Jan and see if ther is anything around that time frame for Master Nats or North Americans. I think personally I can handle anything I put my body threw, its more financial than anything else. Thanks for your time and and thoughts
Thanks for your thoughts[/quote]
Seems like your off season is going great, you look a lot thicker and fuller than your previous pics. Bodyfat seems to be in range for the off season, good work so far!
It’s hard for me to give you an answer because it’s depends on the level of competition at the masters national show. If you don’t think size will be an issue and you’re big enough to stand with the guys there then by all means do the closer show and rebound for 3-4 week (you can make small gains in this time frame) then get back to your diet for nationals.
If you still think you have improvements to do in terms of size then I wouldn’t cut a successful off season just to do an earlier show. In this case I would wait for the schedule to come out and pick a qualifying show clots to nationals. The NPC always has close enough shows to the nationals so that you won’t have to diet twice.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
what would be a good first cycle for someone whos priority is strength?[/quote]
Depends on the goal, I would go with either test and wintrol OR test and dbol. It will depend on the person.
If you’re thinking about something for yourself please give me some more info about yourself and I can recommend something more specific to you.
I have some questions about IGF1-LR3 as ive read very much about it but everyone says diffrent things:
Thank you for the answers !
I will do that Shadow, I’ll ask my girl this weekend to shoot some pictures.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
Start with 10 and go up to 20mg if needed.
For your pct…
Clomid @50mg for 4 weeks.
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20.
HCG @ 500iu EOD (4weeks)
One month is fine.
[/quote]
Thanks mate for replying.
Not questioning AT ALL what you said, just trying to understand some of the reasons behind so I can learn for future cycles:
Why for other cycles here you recommended Nolva 20mg ed all the way through PCT whereas in my case its 20 on cycle and then 40/40/40/20/20
For this cycle should I start the PCT 3 days after last prop shot?
In the first day of PCT I just hit all 3 ancillaries at the same time (Clomid @ 50, Nolva @ 40, HCG @ 500iu)?
Why run HCG post cycle if I ran it during it as well? I thought its either during in small doses OR after in blasts.
Thanks a lot for your time.
How do you deal with forced downtime, such as illness. Would you push through and carry on training with say a cold or flu like symptoms? Or rest asap to recover asap?
Thanks again
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Shadow, I know this might be the wrong place to ask, but hopefully you’re able to help me.
What would you recommend for a college student like myself regarding diet? Obviously I don’t have a shit-ton of cash and I’m not always necessarily in control of what’s available to me. I already purchased a 10 pound thing of weight gainer in order to keep my calorie, carb and protein count decent, but my diet isn’t impeccable. I’m not trying to diet to become the next Mr. O, but I’d sure like to be able to eat nutritiously and as frequently as I have/need to. I’d like to still be able to put on lean muscle and not end up with any more fat than I need.
I had already started a thread about gaining too much fat in another part of the forum and the other guys were very helpful. I’m curious as to your thoughts about it, though.
I’d also like to point out that I have certain food allergies (all nuts known to man, carrots, uncooked unions, bananas) and a very mild case of IBS…[/quote]
Can you post a current picture and your current diet ? I understand it’s not something structured but give me a rough idea and I’ll be able to help.
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Well, I can’t actually acquire pics due to having no current ones and no way of taking them due to a broken cameraphone…However, I can give you an outline of my diet as of summer 2014.
Meal 1:
8 eggs
2 slices of toast
2 cups of apple sauce (not cups as in measurement but the cups that they come in)
Water or fruit juice
Meal 2:
Post-workout drink (Cellucor BCAA)
2 slices of bread
Meal 3:
2 scoops of Syntha-6
Met-Rx Big 100 chocolate chip cookie dough
2 cups of apple sauce
Meal 4:
Usually some sort of meat, it depends. It could be salmon or steak or chicken, depending on what’s available and what I’ve got.
Meal 5:
2 servings of Stouffer’s microwavable spaghetti
…yeah, I know
Meal 6:
2 scoops of Syntha-6
2 apples
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Cut the apples and apple sauce
switch the full eggs to egg whites
No fruit juice
Switch syntha-6 to MAG-10
You don’t need post workout drink, just drink Plazma during the workout (I know you’re on a budget so one scoop is better than nothing)
Meal 1
1 cup of oats
10 egg whites
1 tbsp almond butter
Meal 2
1.5’servings MAG-10
Meal 3 intraworkout
1 serving Plazma
Meal 4
1 cup rice
8oz lean steak or white fish
Meal 5
1 cup rice
8oz salmon
Meal 6
2 servings of MAG-10
This will be a good start, it will be a more balanced diet and probably cheaper for you. You can add any dark green leafy vegetables to the meals.[/quote]
Cool, I appreciate the help. I’ll try to do this asap…once I get the money for MAG-10, Plazma and run out of eggs, that is
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
I have some questions about IGF1-LR3 as ive read very much about it but everyone says diffrent things:
I’m obviously not Shadow, but I can tell you that I’ve been doing my TRT with 0.5" slin pins in my delts and it works out great. Unless you have high body fat % you can do IM with 0.5" in your quads even.
Great stuff thanks mate
Started today. Got 12 weeks worth of indigo here at 6 per day so I’m good for this cycle and right up to the next cycle
Thanks a lot mate really hope you keep this up its invaluable
[quote]Ah24 wrote:
Shadow,
I’m 9 weeks out from my comp - stupidly in my off-season I used an underground AI which didn’t do it’s job… So now have mild gyno.
For the last 14 days or so I’ve been running 2.5mg letro to TRY and reverse it pre-comp (obviously would be better if I was gear free, but due to timescale - not an option).
My question is, how would you taper down pre comp? Originally the plan was to finish the last 4 weeks using arimidex and wasn’t planning on using something as aggressive as letro.
I guess my options are:
Thanks a lot in advance
Adam[/quote]
I wouldn’t stay on it all the way to the show, it would kill your joints and libido completely.
I would probably pick option number 3 because you need antiestrogens leading up to the show.
Wait until the symtoms are going away significantly and taper down by going to every other day for a week and then jump onto the arimidex after the week of tapering down, you can start with 1mg but some people are going up to 2 or 3 even.
The idea is to allow the letrozole to do its work here and then go back to your normal antiestrogens.
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
I have some questions about IGF1-LR3 as ive read very much about it but everyone says diffrent things:
Thank you for the answers ![/quote]
First of all, I don’t believe that there’s a lot of real igf-1 going around unless you are getting it from a pharmacy. You really need to research what you’re getting before injecting a foreign into your body.
Depending on your bodyfat level and where you’re injecting, a .5-1" pin can work fine for IM.
I highly doubt it.
You should take it post workout to the muscle you just worked. Take an ice pack with you to the gym and do it immediately post workout.
I have mixed it with both, the aa burns like hell and I didn’t notice any significant differences in either of them. I doubt it was actually igf-1.
[quote]steelk wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
Start with 10 and go up to 20mg if needed.
For your pct…
Clomid @50mg for 4 weeks.
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20.
HCG @ 500iu EOD (4weeks)
One month is fine.
[/quote]
Thanks mate for replying.
Not questioning AT ALL what you said, just trying to understand some of the reasons behind so I can learn for future cycles:
Why for other cycles here you recommended Nolva 20mg ed all the way through PCT whereas in my case its 20 on cycle and then 40/40/40/20/20
For this cycle should I start the PCT 3 days after last prop shot?
In the first day of PCT I just hit all 3 ancillaries at the same time (Clomid @ 50, Nolva @ 40, HCG @ 500iu)?
Why run HCG post cycle if I ran it during it as well? I thought its either during in small doses OR after in blasts.
Thanks a lot for your time.
[/quote]
Done as a precaution, some people are more sensitive than others and a more aggressive pct will ensure that you completely recover.
Yes
Take the clomid and nolvadex at different times in the HCG, take one in the AM and one in the PM. HCG can be done at anytime.
I like to keep it after the cycle to make sure you’re 100% functional. Some sort of shut down will happen during your cycle for most people… Your body will not be producing 100% of it’s natural test so continuing the HCG after will allow it to recover completely. As you can see, it’s not a blast dose it’s just slightly higher than what you did during the cycle.
[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:
How do you deal with forced downtime, such as illness. Would you push through and carry on training with say a cold or flu like symptoms? Or rest asap to recover asap?
Thanks again [/quote]
Depends how sick I am, if I’m not completely out of it I’ll get out and train but if it’s really bad I’ll sit out a day or two. I don’t get sick very often… MAG-10, vitamin-C and superfood does wonders for the immune system.
[quote]rhod wrote:
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
I have some questions about IGF1-LR3 as ive read very much about it but everyone says diffrent things:
I’m obviously not Shadow, but I can tell you that I’ve been doing my TRT with 0.5" slin pins in my delts and it works out great. Unless you have high body fat % you can do IM with 0.5" in your quads even.[/quote]
This is correct, I use 0.5" as well
Hey Shadow
Just a query about HCG/nolva, is there any reason my workouts would get sucky from taking either of these two? Mojo in the gym was great Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, started them Tuesday… Wednesday half as good and today was shocking
Cheers mate
Hi Shadow Pro…
I got my bloodwork today here in Belgium and it’s pretty fucked up…I’m 23 years old and I’m blasting and cruising for 8 months.I started yesterday with my blast and also 16 week contest prep cycle 500mg Test - 300mg NPP-600mg BOLD-1000iu hcg-60mg T-BOL…Today I had my bloodwork from my doctor,cholesterol and liver were a bit fucked 2.Anyway my andro work:
G Y N E C O - A N D R O L O G I E
.LH * <0.1 1.5 - 9.3 U/L
.FSH * <0.3 2.0 - 7.5 U/L
.PROLACTINE totaal 8.2 2.1 - 17.7 ng/mL
.OESTRADIOL 16 0 - 40 ng/L
.TESTOSTERON * >15.0 2.8 - 11.0 ng/mL
.SHBG * 0.10 0.41 - 1.98 µg/dL
I’m really sad lol,Allot of thoughts are going thru my mind…should I stop and have a agressive pct,should I continue and do my show in november and then having a big pct and long ass recovery time,pct en stop taking AAS for life … pff 
Liver:
GOT (AST) 37°C * 67 < 35 U/L
.GPT (ALT) 37°C * 48 < 45 U/L
.RATIO GOT/GPT 1.4 Ratio
.GAMMA-GT 37°C 16 < 55 U/L
.RATIO GAMMA-GT/GOT 0.2 Ratio
Cholesterol
HDL-CHOLESTEROL * 23 > 40 mg/dL
.RATIO CHOL/HDL * 5.6 < 5.0 Ratio
.TRIGLYCERIDEN 46 < 150 mg/dL
.LDL-CHOLESTEROL 98 * cfr Ref.infra mg/dL
[norms ]
[average: < 115 ]
[High risk : < 100 ]
[Very high riskt: < 70 of -50%]
.NON-HDL CHOLESTEROL 107 * cfr Ref.infra mg/dL
[ norms: ]
[with high risks: < 130 ]
[with really high risks: < 100 ]
.RATIO LDL/HDL * 4.3 < 3 Ratio
CREATINE KINASE 37°C ** 1901 55 - 170 U/L
.
Hi Shadow, so is it safe to assume you will be competing in this years Olympia?
And will we ever see a Flex magazine cover that reads …Shadow Pro wins Mr O…again!
Got a supplement related question for you.
My gym results in the last couple of years have been rather poor and I feel that a big reason is my lack of proper peri workout supplementation. I am here to learn and was hoping you could just outline for me and others who also don’t understand this concept entirely, what one should be taking, when and why?
I know you hold the Biotest products in high esteem but trust me, if I had to import these products to South Africa (with the shit exchange rate here) I am gonna have to get a second job just for my supplement costs.
I was hoping you could give a “non-branded” type description of what a person should be buying and using in that pre - during workout - and post workout window.
So for example say you need a whey protein product but go for an isolate and use it say post workout along with .??..something like that.
Then I can take that info and head down to a local supplement retailer and see what I can get that closely matches your description to sort out my peri workout supplement needs?
I also would like to know how supplements like creatine and L-Glutamine play a role here. (I noticed the other day that you get all these different types of creatine on the market, is mono still the most effective choice?)
Many thanks and its great being able to communicate with someone knowledgeable instead of the 19 year old pencil neck supplements salesman who thinks he knows everything down at the local store.