Shadow Pro Q&A 2.0

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]anvilTX wrote:
8 years training experince, clean diet(mountain dog), and 3 cycles under my belt, how aggressive/advised would this be.
260lbs
6’2
15% BF

Cut Phase to 10-12% BF

8 Wks
Test P 150mg EOD
TrenA 100mg EOD
Winny 50mg ED First 6wks
Nolva 20mg a day
HCG 50iu every 3rd Day

4 wk Cruise
Test E 300mg a week
Nolva 20mg a day
HCG 500iu every 3rd day

Bulk 16 wks
1g Test
600mg Tren E
800mg EQ
Dbol 80mg a day First 6 weeks
500iu HCG every 3rd day
Nolva 20mg a day

PCT[/quote]

Looks very good!

Only thing I would change is to do the HCG @250iu 2x/week for the cutting cycle.

Also, try a pyramid with your dbol… 2 weeks @40mg, 2 weeks @60mg and 2 weeks @80mg

Good job building this, I’m impressed! Just make sure you’re going to to about 10% rather than 12, your body will be much more responsive to gaining muscle if you do this.

[steelk]

Hi Shadow,

First of all many thanks for doing this. It’s heavily appreciated.
This probably is my first post here after being a long time reader (~8 years).

A bit of background.

I am now training for 8 years. I gained 40 lbs during these years (160-200 at 5’11). My PRs at 200 lbs are
SQ - 390
BP - 270
DL - 450

For the last 2-3 years I think I am stuck at 200 with a bf% of ~12-14. I did a basic cycle 2 years ago in an attempt to go beyond 200. I actually started at 195, went to 205 while on cycle and then gradually went back to 200. I know diet is king and I really thought I was eating a lot but apparently it wasn’t enough.

The cycle consisted of

1-12 test E 500mg
HCG blast at the end
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

• added Nolva on cycle @ 20mg / day because I started getting gyno

After that cycle I trained for strength primarily, reaching the above mentioned PRs.

I now started a second cycle with the goal of breaking the 200-205 “barrier” but with conservative dosages in mind and focusing on training and eating hard. I didn’t quite liked the test E due to the slow building up / clearance time so I thought I should give test prop a chance. My current cycle is as follows (currently being in week 1)

1-10 test prop 150mg eod
1-10 hcg 250iu 2x/week
3-8 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 nolva 10mg ed until adding dbol, then 20 mg ed

pct - nolva 20/20/10/10

Considerations:

• I don’t want to bloat too hard, too quickly (i.e. dbol 50 / day)
• being the second cycle, after testing the waters with test only I wanted to add an anabolic to go along with test (i.e. primo, mast) BUT not having a trusted source I decided to go with a less “exotic” choice (i.e. dbol) fearing the fakes. I thought better go with real dbol than having doubts with primo/mast.
• I wanted a short ester even though it’s a bulking cycle to have it clear out faster

I have a couple of questions:

1. During the first cycle I decided to start just with the test to see whether I am gyno prone. After a few weeks of building up I indeed started to have signs of it and added nolva 20mg ed. With this cycle, after seeing your recommendations for much heavier cycles than mine to go with nolva 10-20 ed, I thought starting at 10 and up the dosage to 20 once dbol is added OR I start getting signs of gyno again. Is this OK or should I immediately up it to 20 just to be sure?

2. What PCT would you recommend given this current cycle? I recovered a bit hard after the first cycle, probably due to not using HCG on cycle.

3. Once mixed with bac water how long can I use HCG? I keep reading 1 month. Is this correct?

Thanks again.

[BusterTanner100]

Shadow Pro thanks very much mate

My cardio and diet are in better shape now I’ve actually lost 10lbs since starting this cycle so hoping il be ready by the next cycle, thanks very much mate.
I have 3 tubs of indigo here. I was going to do it with PCT. Would there be a better effect to do it while on this cycle or wait until PCT?

With the PCT you’ve suggested it seems more/higher doses than others I’ve seen, I’m not questioning it at all, id just I’d just like to know the reasoning for future reference if that’s ok mate?

Last thing, if I take 8 weeks off between cycles is that including PCT time or does the 8 weeks start when PCT finishes?

I know I’m being specific I just want to get it bang on that’s all

Again, thanks very much bro, very excited to have the help and info from you. Top man!!

[MalignantTyrant]

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Shadow, I know this might be the wrong place to ask, but hopefully you’re able to help me.
What would you recommend for a college student like myself regarding diet? Obviously I don’t have a shit-ton of cash and I’m not always necessarily in control of what’s available to me. I already purchased a 10 pound thing of weight gainer in order to keep my calorie, carb and protein count decent, but my diet isn’t impeccable. I’m not trying to diet to become the next Mr. O, but I’d sure like to be able to eat nutritiously and as frequently as I have/need to. I’d like to still be able to put on lean muscle and not end up with any more fat than I need.

I had already started a thread about gaining too much fat in another part of the forum and the other guys were very helpful. I’m curious as to your thoughts about it, though.
I’d also like to point out that I have certain food allergies (all nuts known to man, carrots, uncooked unions, bananas) and a very mild case of IBS…[/quote]

Can you post a current picture and your current diet ? I understand it’s not something structured but give me a rough idea and I’ll be able to help.
[/quote]
Well, I can’t actually acquire pics due to having no current ones and no way of taking them due to a broken cameraphone…However, I can give you an outline of my diet as of summer 2014.

Meal 1:
8 eggs
2 slices of toast
2 cups of apple sauce (not cups as in measurement but the cups that they come in)
Water or fruit juice

Meal 2:
Post-workout drink (Cellucor BCAA)
2 slices of bread

Meal 3:
2 scoops of Syntha-6
Met-Rx Big 100 chocolate chip cookie dough
2 cups of apple sauce

Meal 4:
Usually some sort of meat, it depends. It could be salmon or steak or chicken, depending on what’s available and what I’ve got.

Meal 5:
2 servings of Stouffer’s microwavable spaghetti
…yeah, I know

Meal 6:
2 scoops of Syntha-6
2 apples

[Sincl]

Shadow,

I’ve searched for the answer in the 1st thread, but couldn’t really find it, so…

Is there any other reason than gyno prevention why you should use nolvadex on cycle?
Currently running test primo tren a, I’m not prone to gyno, but I do have some stubborn fat on my chest.
The rest of my body has gotten pretty hard and veins everywhere, except for my chest.
Should nolvadex help in this matter, hardening?

I also wanted to aks you a question about ‘gh15’. How do you feel about his diet on eggwhites and icecream? Haha, tren has got me craving for sweets, don’t know how long I will be able to neglect it anymore!

Thanks again.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]steelk wrote:
Hi Shadow,

First of all many thanks for doing this. It’s heavily appreciated.
This probably is my first post here after being a long time reader (~8 years).

A bit of background.

I am now training for 8 years. I gained 40 lbs during these years (160-200 at 5’11). My PRs at 200 lbs are
SQ - 390
BP - 270
DL - 450

For the last 2-3 years I think I am stuck at 200 with a bf% of ~12-14. I did a basic cycle 2 years ago in an attempt to go beyond 200. I actually started at 195, went to 205 while on cycle and then gradually went back to 200. I know diet is king and I really thought I was eating a lot but apparently it wasn’t enough.

The cycle consisted of

1-12 test E 500mg
HCG blast at the end
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

• added Nolva on cycle @ 20mg / day because I started getting gyno

After that cycle I trained for strength primarily, reaching the above mentioned PRs.

I now started a second cycle with the goal of breaking the 200-205 “barrier” but with conservative dosages in mind and focusing on training and eating hard. I didn’t quite liked the test E due to the slow building up / clearance time so I thought I should give test prop a chance. My current cycle is as follows (currently being in week 1)

1-10 test prop 150mg eod
1-10 hcg 250iu 2x/week
3-8 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 nolva 10mg ed until adding dbol, then 20 mg ed

pct - nolva 20/20/10/10

Considerations:

• I don’t want to bloat too hard, too quickly (i.e. dbol 50 / day)
• being the second cycle, after testing the waters with test only I wanted to add an anabolic to go along with test (i.e. primo, mast) BUT not having a trusted source I decided to go with a less “exotic” choice (i.e. dbol) fearing the fakes. I thought better go with real dbol than having doubts with primo/mast.
• I wanted a short ester even though it’s a bulking cycle to have it clear out faster

I have a couple of questions:

1. During the first cycle I decided to start just with the test to see whether I am gyno prone. After a few weeks of building up I indeed started to have signs of it and added nolva 20mg ed. With this cycle, after seeing your recommendations for much heavier cycles than mine to go with nolva 10-20 ed, I thought starting at 10 and up the dosage to 20 once dbol is added OR I start getting signs of gyno again. Is this OK or should I immediately up it to 20 just to be sure?

2. What PCT would you recommend given this current cycle? I recovered a bit hard after the first cycle, probably due to not using HCG on cycle.

3. Once mixed with bac water how long can I use HCG? I keep reading 1 month. Is this correct?

Thanks again. [/quote]

1. Start with 10 and go up to 20mg if needed.

2. For your pct…
   Clomid @50mg for 4 weeks.
   Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20.
   HCG @ 500iu EOD (4weeks)

3. One month is fine.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]BusterTanner100 wrote:
Shadow Pro thanks very much mate

My cardio and diet are in better shape now I’ve actually lost 10lbs since starting this cycle so hoping il be ready by the next cycle, thanks very much mate.
I have 3 tubs of indigo here. I was going to do it with PCT. Would there be a better effect to do it while on this cycle or wait until PCT?

With the PCT you’ve suggested it seems more/higher doses than others I’ve seen, I’m not questioning it at all, id just I’d just like to know the reasoning for future reference if that’s ok mate?

Last thing, if I take 8 weeks off between cycles is that including PCT time or does the 8 weeks start when PCT finishes?

I know I’m being specific I just want to get it bang on that’s all

Again, thanks very much bro, very excited to have the help and info from you. Top man!![/quote]

Start the indigo right away, it will work even better while you’re on a cycle and keep doing it while you’re on a pct.

The pct I suggested should guarantee a full recovery from the cycle, a lower dosage might not be enough… This is a safe bet.

Yes, the 8 weeks will include the PCT time.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Shadow, I know this might be the wrong place to ask, but hopefully you’re able to help me.
What would you recommend for a college student like myself regarding diet? Obviously I don’t have a shit-ton of cash and I’m not always necessarily in control of what’s available to me. I already purchased a 10 pound thing of weight gainer in order to keep my calorie, carb and protein count decent, but my diet isn’t impeccable. I’m not trying to diet to become the next Mr. O, but I’d sure like to be able to eat nutritiously and as frequently as I have/need to. I’d like to still be able to put on lean muscle and not end up with any more fat than I need.

I had already started a thread about gaining too much fat in another part of the forum and the other guys were very helpful. I’m curious as to your thoughts about it, though.
I’d also like to point out that I have certain food allergies (all nuts known to man, carrots, uncooked unions, bananas) and a very mild case of IBS…[/quote]

Can you post a current picture and your current diet ? I understand it’s not something structured but give me a rough idea and I’ll be able to help.
[/quote]
Well, I can’t actually acquire pics due to having no current ones and no way of taking them due to a broken cameraphone…However, I can give you an outline of my diet as of summer 2014.

Meal 1:
8 eggs
2 slices of toast
2 cups of apple sauce (not cups as in measurement but the cups that they come in)
Water or fruit juice

Meal 2:
Post-workout drink (Cellucor BCAA)
2 slices of bread

Meal 3:
2 scoops of Syntha-6
Met-Rx Big 100 chocolate chip cookie dough
2 cups of apple sauce

Meal 4:
Usually some sort of meat, it depends. It could be salmon or steak or chicken, depending on what’s available and what I’ve got.

Meal 5:
2 servings of Stouffer’s microwavable spaghetti
…yeah, I know

Meal 6:
2 scoops of Syntha-6
2 apples

[/quote]

Cut the apples and apple sauce

switch the full eggs to egg whites

No fruit juice

Switch syntha-6 to MAG-10

You don’t need post workout drink, just drink Plazma during the workout (I know you’re on a budget so one scoop is better than nothing)

Meal 1
1 cup of oats
10 egg whites
1 tbsp almond butter

Meal 2
1.5’servings MAG-10

Meal 3 intraworkout
1 serving Plazma

Meal 4
1 cup rice
8oz lean steak or white fish

Meal 5
1 cup rice
8oz salmon

Meal 6
2 servings of MAG-10

This will be a good start, it will be a more balanced diet and probably cheaper for you. You can add any dark green leafy vegetables to the meals.

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
Shadow,

I’ve searched for the answer in the 1st thread, but couldn’t really find it, so…

Is there any other reason than gyno prevention why you should use nolvadex on cycle?
Currently running test primo tren a, I’m not prone to gyno, but I do have some stubborn fat on my chest.
The rest of my body has gotten pretty hard and veins everywhere, except for my chest.
Should nolvadex help in this matter, hardening?

I also wanted to aks you a question about ‘gh15’. How do you feel about his diet on eggwhites and icecream? Haha, tren has got me craving for sweets, don’t know how long I will be able to neglect it anymore!

Thanks again. [/quote]

Nolvadex will make you harder in general, it won’t help you burn fat on your chest… It will help a bit with water retention but if you have fat on your chest it’s not going to take this off, a good diet will.

That’s disgusting, egg whites and ice cream? What the actual fuck? Man up, and keep your diet

[ty_ty13]

do you find when using tren and hgh on a large scale (500mg+ 4+IU) that eating 300+ carbs each day can actually harden and lean you out while adding size.

also i found out yesterday when i was experimenting with what you spoke of when loading carbs during a workout. You said i should experience strength and endurance… and yes i did.

1hour pre workout 3iu hgh
45min pre WO 2 finibars
duing workout 3 servings plazma

made out to be a hell of a chest and shoulder workout.
i increased the volume and was pushing weights much heavier than normal. i kept an insane pump and wasnt tired…

after my chest and shoulder WO i ended up doing a few sets of snatch grip rack deadlifts from the blocks because my gym owner just made some new blocks to pull from.

i felt very full at the begining of my WO but was killing the volume and weight the whole time…

i cant wait to get my strength cycle going for this winter.

i feel the hgh pre workout and adding in the 2 finibars helped tremendously

[michell]

Shadow,

Does indigo play any role taking it in the periwrkout using your insuline-plazma protocol?

[Sincl]

Thanks Shadow, I needed this one Keeping a clean diet, with one or two cheat meals a week.
My goal is to gain clean weight, so on resting days should I cut my carbs in half? I’m already replacing my intra workout for a low carb whey pudding. I have 3 high carb meals, 3 low carb and one without carbs before bed.

[CxTucker]

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
I also wanted to aks you a question about ‘gh15’. How do you feel about his diet on eggwhites and icecream? Haha, tren has got me craving for sweets, don’t know how long I will be able to neglect it anymore!

Thanks again. [/quote]

You’re spreading some nonsense if you think that LOJ advocates just egg whites and ice cream… guessing you aren’t on GH15 because this isn’t the case at all.

[BusterTanner100]

Ok mate will do, thanks!
What would be your dosing for indigo? I think 6 per day is the norm, but what have you had best results with? Not saying I’m going to do it ha ha just curious.
Also, if someone trains twice a day, then indigo would be twice a day too?

Ok Shadow il follow that PCT and 8 weeks off sounds great.
thanks very much again mate. You’ve been a great help

[Genk250]

Shawdow pro

here is a differnt question for ya. Need some eeal world advise.

ok it is almost Aug 2014. Im far into my offseason swing of things. Im currently sitting at a pretty lean and conditioned 265lbs. As you might know from previous post. My goal is to compete in Master Nationals or Master North Americans and make top 5 in 2015. But with the new rules of the NPC I have to re qualify even as a master competor.

Now since I havnt done a show this year, I have to do a national qualifier show and either place top 2 in master class or top 3 in a open class. That qualify show im not worried about. What im worried about is cost in competing in a national qualify show, then doing the main show Master Nationals or North Americans. My money is tight cause I have a family, and bills. My family is supportive, and my two girls and my wife always goes to my shows.

So it is expensive to compete, but I wouldnt have it any other way. My family is my life. But I still have this goal of making a top 5 in one national level show. I have pretty much decided if I dont make it next year. I wont be doing anymore national level shows cause of cost and wanting to have more quality time with my family. I will just compete in local and NQ shows around the midwest for fun, every couple years.

So my question is this. Master Nats is in July 3rd week. My state show, is in first week of April. Its a cheap show to do, and is only an hour away, it doesnt break me. But there is a time span of about 14-15 week apart. Or do you think, it would be wise to switch gears, and get into prep mode and do a show in November. There is a NQ one that is an hour away from my home. I would be stopping the good gains im getting now, but would give me more time to prep for Master Nationals next year (2015).

So it would be either 14-15 weeks difference or 7 1/2 month difference. My other thought was just to wait until the NPC schedule comes out in Dec/Jan and see if ther is anything around that time frame for Master Nats or North Americans. I think personally I can handle anything I put my body threw, its more financial than anything else. Thanks for your time and and thoughts

Thanks for your thoughts

[Kerley]

what would be a good first cycle for someone whos priority is strength?

[Genk250]

Just an updated pic. Using some of your advise. Weight is sitting at 265lbs.

[Sincl]

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
I also wanted to aks you a question about ‘gh15’. How do you feel about his diet on eggwhites and icecream? Haha, tren has got me craving for sweets, don’t know how long I will be able to neglect it anymore!

Thanks again. [/quote]

You’re spreading some nonsense if you think that LOJ advocates just egg whites and ice cream… guessing you aren’t on GH15 because this isn’t the case at all.[/quote]

No, indeed I’m not. Feel free to enlighten me/us, always wanting to learn.

[Ah24]

Shadow,

I’m 9 weeks out from my comp - stupidly in my off-season I used an underground AI which didn’t do it’s job… So now have mild gyno.

For the last 14 days or so I’ve been running 2.5mg letro to TRY and reverse it pre-comp (obviously would be better if I was gear free, but due to timescale - not an option).

My question is, how would you taper down pre comp? Originally the plan was to finish the last 4 weeks using arimidex and wasn’t planning on using something as aggressive as letro.

I guess my options are:

1. Stay on letro right through at 2.5mg (guessing this is a bad idea though?)
2. Stay on letro until show but once lumps have reduced, taper dose down? (If so - what would you advise?)
3. Taper off letro and onto a less harsh AI like the originally planned Arimidex? (If so - how would you do this?)

Thanks a lot in advance

Adam

[Shadow_Pro]

[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
do you find when using tren and hgh on a large scale (500mg+ 4+IU) that eating 300+ carbs each day can actually harden and lean you out while adding size.

also i found out yesterday when i was experimenting with what you spoke of when loading carbs during a workout. You said i should experience strength and endurance… and yes i did.

1hour pre workout 3iu hgh
45min pre WO 2 finibars
duing workout 3 servings plazma

made out to be a hell of a chest and shoulder workout.
i increased the volume and was pushing weights much heavier than normal. i kept an insane pump and wasnt tired…

after my chest and shoulder WO i ended up doing a few sets of snatch grip rack deadlifts from the blocks because my gym owner just made some new blocks to pull from.

i felt very full at the begining of my WO but was killing the volume and weight the whole time…

i cant wait to get my strength cycle going for this winter.

i feel the hgh pre workout and adding in the 2 finibars helped tremendously
[/quote]

Absolutely, I’m eating a lot more than 300g of carbs when I’m on GH and tren (although, I’m doing a higher dosage) I’m definitely getting harder and drier. It’s one of the best combos there is, along with test.

Happy to hear it worked for you, move the GH to 90min pre workout and eat the finibars 60 min before the workout and keep the Plazma the same. It will work better.

If you use insulin pre workout in a small dose you’ll experience insane pumps and add size like never before. If you know how to manipulate your carbs it’s one of the best weapons you have.