Rugby Players Bigger/Stronger Now

No one has mentioned that rugby union has only been professional for 15 years!

Prior to this perhaps only in the southern hemisphere did players get more specialised training. Taking England as an example. Clive Woodward joined in 1999, when England started to take a more professional approach to rugby. That was only ten years ago. Now they probably have strength coaches and other prehab/rehab teams. To think, for some time now that at most levels even high school football teams have strength coaches, shows you just how far ahead America is.

I agree with what Wigsa said if America took rugby seriously they would be pretty good. In football the time coaches spend on individual players on footwork, and how to use the body efficiently astounds me.

Martin Johnson when he visited the states remarked that he was amazed at how big and athletic the high level amateur rugby players were and Woodward has confessed to have learnt something from American football:

3/4 down: BBC NEWS | Programmes | Breakfast with Frost | Sir Clive Woodward

Its good to see Europe embracing change to improve.

[quote]Mongolprince wrote:
No one has mentioned that rugby union has only been professional for 15 years![/quote]

Yes we did, early on.

21.5 inch with hands on hips and no arms is very different to 21.5 inches using arms

quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Here is an interesting article on the athletic requirements for the springboks

http://www.health24.com/fitness/Specific_Sports/16-2175-2176-2049,29985.asp

The vertical jump, bench and squat requirements are actually very low relative to what NFL players are typically capable of. Props for example only require a vertical jump of around 21.5 inches.

I think that this is largely due to the fact that training for endurance tends to greatly decrease your strength and power.[/quote]

Pretty dynamic

[quote]Mongolprince wrote:

Martin Johnson when he visited the states remarked that he was amazed at how big and athletic the high level amateur rugby players were and Woodward has confessed to have learnt something from American football:

What Woodward learnt from the NFl was the professionalism of the back room set up, and he bought that attitude to England. They were’nt there to learn about conditioning.

As for people talking about Marius playing rugby. I don’t think he would actually be that great to be honest. Defensively he would be a liability. Too cumbersome, even alot of the big lads would run rings round him. I expect he walks round the pitch most of the time, and as for tackling him, it’s not like American football. You don’t have to smash him. Hit him at knee height with good technique, and he is going down. Scrummaging against him would be bloody difficult, but I would use a very short, very technical prop to drag the scrummages very low, thus negating some of his strength.

The thing to remember aswell with rugby players (Top level pros) is that they are shredded as well as being pretty strong and powerful. Sheridan has a bodyfat level of 10% at about 265lbs.

Most rugby players will concentrate more on plyometric type work than straight strength. The ability to accelerate is far more beneficial to them than straight strength.

If I had to compare rugby players to a Popular North American sport, I would probably pick ice hockey. Technical, and fast with a collision aspect aswell.

I would also like add to the comments made earlier about weight training in school. Most UK schools don’t have weights programmes, or even equipment. It amazes me when reading these forums that you have so many 15 - 18 year olds who are really strong, and get that way at school. This simply does’nt happen in the UK.
It is also a cultural thing in the US military, that yu have alot of huge, strong guys. In the British military, the emphasis is on physical endurance rather than strength.

Josh Lewsey (An England rugby player, and former soldier) makes his comment on this in his book. He says that when US troops come over on exchange programmes, the first thing they have to do is improve their running endurance.

Just thought I’d throw it in, as from my observation, this runs through most physical activites as a difference between the US and UK. We value Endurance in our Sports etc, while you place a much higher emphasis on Strength. I think this is down to the basic fact that you have a much more Macho culture than we do.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
^^Exactly

I assume you saw them training in one of Ben Dunne’s gyms while they were over here (Ireland) on tour?

What sense would there be in them maxing out in an unfamiliar gym, with substand equipment, after spending 20-24 hours travelling, and only days before a match?

Other than to impress the internet of course?[/quote]

nodog.jepg.

They were training in the University of Edinburgh Facilities which are well above par.

And they were maxing out on the bench going to failure they wern’t trying to impress anybody Im just telling you what I seen.

[quote]robbo90 wrote:
I have seen the New Zealand and South Africa boys in the gym and they are no where near those numbers!

The new zealnders were maxing out on the bench at 130kg for about 3 or 4.

It really depends on what stage of the season they’re at regards to heavy weight training. I think You’ll find that off season weights will be heavier- hence Ash quoting those numbers, where as in season might be high intensity but at a lower volume due to matches and anywhere upto 3-5 training sessions a week. Oh and chuck in the hours they might have to spend on a plane back and forth from South Africa and/or Aussie, they won’t need to be using huge “NFL style” weights as that’ll comprimise recovery.

Also I couldn’t see the Bench being a big exercise for them so much as the wear and tear on the shoulders would catch up on them after all the contact. I’m not at All Black level but find thats the case with my team mates and I here.
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im in contact with scotish development player pretty much every day and their in season and off season numbers don’t vary that much. The volume varies drastically but thats pretty much a standard.

I don’t see the seniors being too much diffrent just bigger and stronger.

Some of the senior guys are pushing close to those numbers but it is far from the norm.

They are strong no doubt but on average they are nothing spectacular and nowhere near NFL Numbers.

I’ll second what irish marc is saying.

Ive played to junior international level till i got injured and now have many friends who are still in the set up

Many props are told to not squat much once they get to around 180kg for singles. They are instead told to concentrate on speed and endurance.

Coaches would rather have players who can get to breakdowns first consistenly… than be able to destroy people but never get there to do it.

Scott

people seem to be forgetting that benching 200kg whilst making you strong does not make you a good sportsman, athlete? maybe. Come game time id rather have a player with skills than a player with athletic ability and nothing more, training for skill is a huge part of preparation that seems to be forgotten. Skill is what allows players half the size to tackle twice as hard. like they say, power is nothing without control. Rugby players certainly practice skills a lot more and rely a lot more on teamwork rather than individual effort.

At a recent testing session I spotted a Canadian International openside while he close grip benched 170kg at a body weight of 95 - 96kg. Strength levels can vary wildly from what Ive observed. Most international sides will have benchmark lifts that they require their players to achieve. But as mentioned above, strength is only one factor in the equation, over performance indicators are just as essential.

Americans are bigger …period…

Rugby league players in the Nrl are head and shoulders above Rugby players in strength ,speed and skills.

[quote]vinscay wrote:
Rugby league players in the Nrl are head and shoulders above Rugby players in strength ,speed and skills. [/quote]

Rugby players are ahead of rugby players?

Lol @ rugby players being better than rugby players.

At the end of the day, they are two different sports with rugby needing a lot more endurance.

I’d love to say rugby players are the same as NFL players but they’re not. Rugby has always seemed disorganised and brutal to me, whereas american football looks better, the players are bigger and stronger and some of the plays and whatnot are just out of this world to me. Plus the safety gear - at the end of the day if your job is to run into everyone all the time, the padding is going to help with injury reduction.

Brits lose out on this one :\

[I’m waiting for someone to compare Cricket to Baseball now!]

Here is an interesting article about the athleticism of rugby seven players
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080208/news_1s8fitness.html

[quote]Hanley wrote:

[quote]vinscay wrote:
Rugby league players in the Nrl are head and shoulders above Rugby players in strength ,speed and skills. [/quote]

Rugby players are ahead of rugby players?[/quote]

The is a big difference between Rugby league and Rugby Union. League very good, Rugby Union very boring.