Deadlifts, front squats, power snatches, weighted box jumps etc. Talks about doing bloks of speed work.
If you were to describe rugby to somebody briefly, how would you describe it? Probably “It kind of looks like a mixture of football and soccer”
backs usually have that kind of a physique too I’d say…
You know how to play soccer? Are you familar with the offsides rule? The offsides rule in rugby is the same , wich explains the endurance requirement. The game should not be pushed as Englisshs in orgin. Tommy
The game should not be pushed as Englisshs in orgin. Tommy[/quote]
How is it not English?
Obviously people have been playing games running with a ball for thousands of years, but I don’t know anyone knowledgable about rugby who wouldn’t accept that the structure and rules are English.
It was founded at Rugby school, Warwickshire,England.
[quote]dg401 wrote:
If you were to describe rugby to somebody briefly, how would you describe it?[/quote]
8 fat fucks and 7 skinny guys chasing after a ball, wainting for the game to end, so they can get pissed.
LOL
btw, I just don’t see the soccer similarity at all. Common origin, for sure, but widely divergent paths after that.
I believe the Romans had the game that most closely resembles the original Rugby, but Rugby is undoubtedly English in origin.
Surely rugby league would take better in the states due to the tackle count and lack of set piece play. A little more similar to american football in a few ways.
I would like to know more about sitirling mortlocks’s weigth training program. Can you tell me more andyg???
Wrong.
I weighted 250lbs this summer, ran a 4.98sec 40meter, 4.55sec 40 yard dash, and made all-american.
I just have to chime in as to the strength difference. Generally speaking, American footballers are more powerful. But, I have had very bad rugby experiences with some lower-level All-Blacks. It is more of a difference application in power, imo.
And being 240 running a sub 5 second 40 is really not very impressive at all for upper level players. That being said, i don’t see very many rugby players making it in the NFL. But, I see around the same amount of American Footballers making a Professional rugby team.
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
Yeah, it has to be remembered that rugby union has only been a professional sport for just over a decade.
I also liked the point about scholarships etc for playing NFL being such an important part of American culture.
My high school actually did have a York home gym briefly, but get this - it was on loan from one of the teachers, an American who had coached college basketball back home.[/quote]
This is the big difference in my opinion, while I agree that the differences in the sports will naturaly mean that NFL players will be sronger and faster, Rugby has not yet come close to the level of proffessionalism that NFL has.
Put a few billion dollars into rugby and wait 20 years and you will see some amazing things done by rugby players in the gym.
[quote]undesired08 wrote:
I just have to chime in as to the strength difference. Generally speaking, American footballers are more powerful. But, I have had very bad rugby experiences with some lower-level All-Blacks. It is more of a difference application in power, imo.
And being 240 running a sub 5 second 40 is really not very impressive at all for upper level players. That being said, i don’t see very many rugby players making it in the NFL. But, I see around the same amount of American Footballers making a Professional rugby team.
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Do you realize that’s 40 meters, not yards?
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
I just have to chime in as to the strength difference. Generally speaking, American footballers are more powerful. But, I have had very bad rugby experiences with some lower-level All-Blacks. It is more of a difference application in power, imo.
And being 240 running a sub 5 second 40 is really not very impressive at all for upper level players. That being said, i don’t see very many rugby players making it in the NFL. But, I see around the same amount of American Footballers making a Professional rugby team.
Do you realize that’s 40 meters, not yards?
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Haha. Good point. That makes a bit of a difference. But 240 is still like a big running back or wide receiver. Even in the states, on middle tier teams, there are second rowers and 8-men that are in that range.
Now, if we were talking about guys in the 260’s and above, that would be fricking amazing.
I know this is a really old thread,but I saw it and had to make my contribution.I’m 18,104kg prop/hooker from Munster,Ireland.I’m hoping to play professionally some day,if I get lucky.NFL players are very powerful,but here’s my problem with it that nobody else has pointed out:
Everyone does 1 FUCKING THING!Every position in the NFL is incredibly 1 dimensional.Lineman block.That is all.Receivers catch the ball and run.That is all.
People in the NFL get paid millions of dollars a year to come on and PUNT a fucking ball downfield a few times every game.That is retarded,and ridiculous.Compare this one dimensionalism to,say,a back row in rugby.He will jump in the lineout,lift in the lineout,make 15+ tackles per game,along with 8-15 runs with the ball.He’ll run the equivalent of 13000 metres in a game.
He’ll handle ball and pass ball,hell he might even kick the ball once every few games.In terms of overall athleticism and particularly skill,rugby players are elite in my view.
That said,if you lot over in the States could convince someone to invest a few million into rugby over there,you would be UNSTOPPABLE.Seriously,just from watching NFL,I can tell that if you had any decent number of players over there,you would be amazing.
Even watching ye in the World Cup in 2007 I saw seriously potential.I don’t see it happening though,which is a shame,as you could certainly be in the top 5 nations in the world within a decade if investments were made.
[quote]jbishop wrote:
Andrew Sheridan can bench press around 500lbs and squat 600, according to Ash Jones at www.getstrength.com there are a few players in nz that can squat 300kg or 660lbs. The norm for international props seems to be around a 400lb bench and a 550lb squat.
Obviously strength/explosiveness is more important in NFL than Rugby because of the short stop start nature of the game opposed to the continous nature of rugby. There seems to be alot of negativity about Rugby players not being strong enough for NFL and NFL players not being fit enough for Rugby.
They are different sports, Rugby players are conditoned for Rugby, NFL players for NFL. Its like saying that soccer players aren’t big/strong enough to play rugby, its stupid, international rugby players are incredibly well conditioned for there sport[/quote]
I have seen the New Zealand and South Africa boys in the gym and they are no where near those numbers!
The new zealnders were maxing out on the bench at 130kg for about 3 or 4.
I have seen the New Zealand and South Africa boys in the gym and they are no where near those numbers!
The new zealnders were maxing out on the bench at 130kg for about 3 or 4.
It really depends on what stage of the season they’re at regards to heavy weight training. I think You’ll find that off season weights will be heavier- hence Ash quoting those numbers, where as in season might be high intensity but at a lower volume due to matches and anywhere upto 3-5 training sessions a week. Oh and chuck in the hours they might have to spend on a plane back and forth from South Africa and/or Aussie, they won’t need to be using huge “NFL style” weights as that’ll comprimise recovery.
Also I couldn’t see the Bench being a big exercise for them so much as the wear and tear on the shoulders would catch up on them after all the contact. I’m not at All Black level but find thats the case with my team mates and I here.
^^Exactly
I assume you saw them training in one of Ben Dunne’s gyms while they were over here (Ireland) on tour?
What sense would there be in them maxing out in an unfamiliar gym, with substand equipment, after spending 20-24 hours travelling, and only days before a match?
Other than to impress the internet of course?
I worked the sideline for the USA vs. Munster match, and let me tell you, in person, those guys are fucking huge. I had the same impression standing next to them as I have had standing next to football players.